Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread Arno Kletzander
From: Charles Dickman: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:03 AM > If the posts and balls are metal, the panel sockets are going to crack > because there will not be any give in the shaft. If the ball and shaft > is replaced with a solid pin, the panel sockets will get damaged > because the socket will have t

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread geneb
I have a crufty old version of DesignSpark PCB. I'll have a look at Mechanical. It's basically SpaceClaim that's been tweaked to only output it's native file format and STL files. You should also do your design work in metric if you expect to be having parts printed. Scaling isn't a practi

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: Pete Turnbull: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:05 AM One concern that I had was that the new design might end up trying to ovalize the (brittle) socket in the mating panel, since the new posts are only really compressible in one axis. I doubt that matters much either, because it's the posts th

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: geneb: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:16 AM On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: Are you referring to the junction of the post and the block? That would be easy enough to do (though tedious in SketchUp). ...which is why SketchUp shouldn't be used for CAD work. If you're using Win

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread geneb
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: From: Pete Turnbull: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:57 AM On 29/07/2015 07:24, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: I've placed a new design at: http://svn.so-much-stuff.com/svn/trunk/3D/rack-bracket/bracket-new.jpg That looks pretty good to me, and the only ref

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 29/07/2015 14:11, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: From: Pete Turnbull: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:57 AM Firstly, to add a small fillet to the junction of post and flat Are you referring to the junction of the post and the block? That would be easy enough to do (though tedious in SketchUp). Ye

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: Pete Turnbull: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:57 AM On 29/07/2015 07:24, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: I've placed a new design at: http://svn.so-much-stuff.com/svn/trunk/3D/rack-bracket/bracket-new.jpg That looks pretty good to me, and the only refinements I'd suggest are these: Firstly, to a

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 29/07/2015 07:24, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: I've placed a new design at: http://svn.so-much-stuff.com/svn/trunk/3D/rack-bracket/bracket-new.jpg I don't know if the design will work -- will the slit will provide enough flexibility, will the post crack, etc. That looks pretty good to me, an

RE: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of quapla > Sent: 29 July 2015 10:29 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: H960 blank panel clips > > On 2015-07-29 08:24, Vincent Slyngst

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-29 Thread quapla
On 2015-07-29 08:24, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: From: Pete Turnbull: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:58 AM On 28/07/2015 18:22, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: What do folks think of the idea of thickening the shaft, terminating it in a hemisphere, but then cutting half-way down the result with a Y or X shap

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: Pete Turnbull: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:58 AM On 28/07/2015 18:22, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: What do folks think of the idea of thickening the shaft, terminating it in a hemisphere, but then cutting half-way down the result with a Y or X shaped cut? The cut would hopefully allow the resul

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Jerry Wright
-- Original Message ------------ Subject: Re: H960 blank panel clips From:    "Chuck Guzis" Date:    Wed, July 29, 2015 7:30 am To:      gene...@classiccmp.org         "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" --

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread steven
t works. Steve. Original Message -------- Subject: Re: H960 blank panel clips From:"Chuck Guzis" Date:Wed, July 29, 2015 7:30 am To: gene...@classiccmp.org &quo

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Noel Chiappa
> There are several kinds. ... I'll look and see if I have any of those, > to take a photo of. Alas, I don't. I do have some of the third kind (which are intermediate between those two previously discussed; they have the holes for bolting to the rack, but don't have the captive nuts).

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/28/2015 01:01 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Chuck Guzis > Does anyone have a photo or mechanical drawing of one of these things? There are several kinds. These: http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/jpg/H960FrontPanelClips.jpg The balls remind me of rod-end linkage s

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread geneb
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, William Donzelli wrote: There are several kinds. These: http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/jpg/H960FrontPanelClips.jpg You know...that wouldn't be terribly difficult to print. The heat-set inserts are easily obtainable too. (that little metal threaded bit) Any

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread William Donzelli
> There are several kinds. These: > > http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/jpg/H960FrontPanelClips.jpg I THINK YOU FORGOT SOMETHING... -- toober

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Chuck Guzis > Does anyone have a photo or mechanical drawing of one of these things? There are several kinds. These: http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/jpg/H960FrontPanelClips.jpg are some of the better ones; they are connected to the rack via countersunk screws (go in

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Chuck Guzis
Does anyone have a photo or mechanical drawing of one of these things? You've got me curious now. --Chuck

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Al Kossow
On 7/28/15 10:22 AM, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: What do folks think of the idea of thickening the shaft, terminating it in a hemisphere, but then cutting half-way down the result with a Y or X shaped cut? The cut would hopefully allow the result to flex and taper into the socket, providing plen

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 28/07/2015 18:22, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: What do folks think of the idea of thickening the shaft, terminating it in a hemisphere, but then cutting half-way down the result with a Y or X shaped cut? The cut would hopefully allow the result to flex and taper into the socket, providing plenty

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: Charles Dickman: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:03 AM If the posts and balls are metal, the panel sockets are going to crack because there will not be any give in the shaft. If the ball and shaft is replaced with a solid pin, the panel sockets will get damaged because the socket will have to flex

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 28/07/2015 17:52, Tothwolf wrote: If they are made of ABS and the ball isn't critical, why not mill or drill out a small bit of the broken stem and solvent weld in some round ABS stock to make a new stem? Methylene chloride (dichloromethane) works extremely well for ABS (methyl ethyl ketone i

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Tothwolf
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, Pete Turnbull wrote: On 27/07/2015 23:13, Tothwolf wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, John Wilson wrote: The only thing here is, it's a *terrible* design. Those damn nubs snap off so easily (I'm sure decades of outgassing haven't helped), even when you're expecting it and being

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: quapla: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:22 AM @Vince Can you make a '.stp' or '.igs' file of the bracket as shown in the image 'bracket-screws.jpg' but with straight poles rather than the 'ball on a stick' version? I could widen the post to 1/4", so the result would be a post with a hemispheric

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Charles Dickman
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > No, they're ABS - at least mine are, I just tested a few. I don't know what > grade, though, and perhaps something more flexible and forgiving - a > different grade of ABS, semi-rigid PVC, or nylon would be better. > > My suggestion, howe

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 28/07/2015 06:10, Arno Kletzander wrote: metal ball heads with a hex base on threaded posts are available as spares for R/C cars and similar Those are ball joints for servo arms, we use them on helicopters too. But ones I've seen are too small, and I don't think you'd get any with long en

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 27/07/2015 23:13, Tothwolf wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, John Wilson wrote: The only thing here is, it's a *terrible* design. Those damn nubs snap off so easily (I'm sure decades of outgassing haven't helped), even when you're expecting it and being super careful. Yes, even in the late 70s i

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-28 Thread quapla
On 2015-07-27 18:51, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: From: Noel Chiappa: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:58 AM Time to find someone who can do injection molding... (I don't think these could be 3D printed, the necks of the bulb-heads are under a lot of stress when removing panels, they often snap off; will 3D

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-27 Thread John Wilson
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 07:10:51AM +0200, Arno Kletzander wrote: >metal ball heads with a hex base on threaded posts are available as spares >for R/C cars and similar, see e.g. ebay auction 161768309137 (10 for less than >EUR 4,-- + S/H). You could probably just screw them into a suitably-sized hol

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-27 Thread Arno Kletzander
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:58:36AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: >Saw this auction for a pair of H960 blank front panel clips: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/391207099375 > >and though I'd pick them up... until they went for $30 (including shipping),at >which point I decided I'd go back to my previous p

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-27 Thread Tothwolf
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, John Wilson wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:58:36AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: Saw this auction for a pair of H960 blank front panel clips: http://www.ebay.com/itm/391207099375 and though I'd pick them up... until they went for $30 (including shipping),at which point

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-27 Thread Al Kossow
On 7/27/15 9:14 AM, quapla wrote: Maybe a future possibility to have a (maybe Chinese) manufacturer make a batch of 1000, 2000 or maybe 1 clips with a type of plastic which is slightly more flexible so that they do not break off to quickly? The current design is flawed. It should be fixed

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-27 Thread John Wilson
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:58:36AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: >Saw this auction for a pair of H960 blank front panel clips: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/391207099375 > >and though I'd pick them up... until they went for $30 (including shipping),at >which point I decided I'd go back to my previous p

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-27 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: Noel Chiappa: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:58 AM Time to find someone who can do injection molding... (I don't think these could be 3D printed, the necks of the bulb-heads are under a lot of stress when removing panels, they often snap off; will 3D printed parts be that strong?) They are actua

RE: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-27 Thread Jay West
Maybe a future possibility to have a (maybe Chinese) manufacturer make a batch of 1000, 2000 or maybe 1 clips with a type of plastic which is slightly more flexible so that they do not break off to quickly? I have no idea what current prices would be for this field of manufacturing bu

Re: H960 blank panel clips

2015-07-27 Thread quapla
On 2015-07-27 17:58, j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: Saw this auction for a pair of H960 blank front panel clips: http://www.ebay.com/itm/391207099375 and though I'd pick them up... until they went for $30 (including shipping),at which point I decided I'd go back to my previous plan to fabri