Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 1/24/18 2:53 PM, Electronics Plus wrote: > Wyse 60 keyboards work out of the box as USB with a converter sold by > Orihalcon on ebay. I was going to convert a Wyse keyboard to something that would work to replace the missing keyboards from terminals. It was easier just to throw them out.

RE: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk
. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 12:51 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts" On 1/23/18 8:40 PM, Ian Primus via cctalk wrote: > Ugh. Don't get

Re: IBM 3101 keyboard - was Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Santo Nucifora via cctalk
Hi Ian, I have a keyboard that looks similar but it's in several pieces because I am currently in the process of restoring it. The barrel plate (the plate that holds the beam spring switches in place) and exterior needs paint. This was very rusty and in rough shape when I got it but I'd love to

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread TeoZ via cctalk
: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:24 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts" > From: TeoZ > mouse (optical mice are better then the old ones with balls). I even > keep old ball mice around ... and those do wear out) Huh

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: TeoZ > mouse (optical mice are better then the old ones with balls). I even > keep old ball mice around ... and those do wear out) Huh? I've got old ball mice I've been using for years; they don't wear out. The wires do get flaky after a long period of use (at which point I

IBM 3101 keyboard - was Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Ian Primus via cctalk
a cctalk > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:40 PM > To: Guy Sotomayor; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts" > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: &

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread TeoZ via cctalk
themselves (people buy them get bored and flip or trade them). TZ -Original Message- From: dwight via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:28 PM To: Ian Finder ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts" How many Mac's

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 1/23/18 8:40 PM, Ian Primus via cctalk wrote: > Ugh. Don't get me started. I collect terminals. Missing keyboards is a > perennial problem, but it's gotten WAY worse in recent years. I went a little crazy and started doing the same in 2017 to dump the firmware for MAME. There are now

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 1/24/18 10:28 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > How many Mac's do you see on ebay with no keyboard? Lots A keyboard/mouse seems to add $100 to the price And there lots of keyboards with no Macs, especially the second-generation extended ADB ones. If there didn't seem to be a glut of them on

RE: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk
Sotomayor; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts" On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > …are the bane of my existence and should all rot in hell. > > Sorry, I just received

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread dwight via cctalk
lt;cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:37:14 AM To: Daniel Seagraves; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts" On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 1/24/18 7:21 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > So, you have 2 choices: > > [1] Buy an expensive modern mechanical keyboard > Unless they are REALLY expensive, modern mechanical keyboard keycaps suck. For some reason, they think the classic fonts are ugly and replace them with REALLY

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 24 January 2018 at 16:32, Toby Thain wrote: > > We joke that they have no qualms about Dremeling them out and sticking > Raspberry Pis inside, making them worthless for the original systems. I hate that. I have told at least 1 friend to think about WTF he was doing

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2018-01-24 10:21 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 24 January 2018 at 16:05, Toby Thain via cctalk > wrote: > >> Well, if it's universally held to be desirable then there's a chance of >> seeing one on a secondary market. But it probably therefore also be >> overpriced. > >

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 24 January 2018 at 16:05, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > Well, if it's universally held to be desirable then there's a chance of > seeing one on a secondary market. But it probably therefore also be > overpriced. There's that. The flipside is that there is considerable

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2018-01-23 11:40 PM, Ian Primus via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk > wrote: >> …are the bane of my existence and should all rot in hell. >> >> Sorry, I just received an email from a “keyboard enthusiast” who was looking >> for

Re: Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:31 AM, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > ah do they don't just collect just loose keyboards they 'snatch' > keyboards leaving the rest of the carcus to of the terminal to rot?? > > > > I suspect that the problem may be two-sided. Could be

Re: Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-24 Thread Ed Sharpe via cctalk
ah  do they  don't  just  collect just loose keyboards  they 'snatch'   keyboards  leaving the rest of the carcus  to of the terminal to  rot?? I knew this  went on with front panels...   Ed#   In a message dated 1/23/2018 9:40:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:  

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Ian Primus via cctalk
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: > …are the bane of my existence and should all rot in hell. > > Sorry, I just received an email from a “keyboard enthusiast” who was looking > for > various IBM 327x keyboards and wanted to know if I could

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Al said: > On 1/23/18 11:01 AM, Ian Finder via cctalk wrote: >> I too have always enjoyed the analogy to ivory poachers. >> > > Those are computer front panel collectors. Sometimes this has a good outcome: a couple of years ago I acquired a slimline 11/10 with a home-made front switch panel,

Re: Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Ed Sharpe via cctalk
When  out and  about when I saw a keyboard with some unworldly number of   function keys  on it ( I recall one  with 3  rows of them... and other oddities  ) I   got and stashed them now  to find them..      We are stating a  move to  convert  boxed of  weird  odds and ends  stuff ( in the

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2018-01-23 7:49 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 1/23/18 10:53 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: it seems these people do it for 'fun'. As an experiment I put a couple of obscure mechanical keyboards up on eBay, like Tektronix reed switch APL ones and NOS Kaypros with a high price

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 1/23/18 11:01 AM, Ian Finder via cctalk wrote: > I too have always enjoyed the analogy to ivory poachers. > Those are computer front panel collectors.

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > …are the bane of my existence and should all rot in hell. > > Sorry, I just received an email from a “keyboard enthusiast” who was > looking for > various IBM 327x keyboards and wanted to know if I could

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:58 PM, william degnan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Did anyone attend VCF South East this past year, there was a large table > run by a keyboard vendor. Just keyboards, laid out like tusks from poached > elephants. > Lol! I love it.

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Jan 23, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Really, is this any worse than the gold bugs scrapping whole systems for > > the prospective

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Daniel Seagraves via cctalk
> On Jan 23, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > Really, is this any worse than the gold bugs scrapping whole systems for > the prospective precious metal content? It seems worse to me because the gold bugs are ignorant and greedy but the

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
I too have always enjoyed the analogy to ivory poachers. On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:58 AM, william degnan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Well, the latter are presumably in it as a business, whereas it seems > these > > people do it for 'fun'. > > > > Now there's an idea:

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread william degnan via cctalk
> > Well, the latter are presumably in it as a business, whereas it seems these > people do it for 'fun'. > > Now there's an idea: perhaps we could convince them that pulling the wings > off flies is a more entertaining hobby? > > Noel > Did anyone attend VCF South East this past year,

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Chuck Guzis > Really, is this any worse than the gold bugs scrapping whole systems > for the prospective precious metal content? Well, the latter are presumably in it as a business, whereas it seems these people do it for 'fun'. Now there's an idea: perhaps we could convince

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
I get these all the time with Lisp Machines. "Yo can I get a keyboard!" UGH. On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:15 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 01/23/2018 09:44 AM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote: > > > One of them scrapped a Symbolics XL for the keyswitches. That

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 01/23/2018 09:44 AM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote: > One of them scrapped a Symbolics XL for the keyswitches. That would > be bad enough, but it gets worse - They did because they thought it > was a CADR "Space Cadet” keyboard. Really, is this any worse than the gold bugs scrapping whole

Re: Keyboard "enthusiasts"

2018-01-23 Thread Daniel Seagraves via cctalk
> On Jan 23, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk > wrote: > > …are the bane of my existence and should all rot in hell. > > Sorry, I just received an email from a “keyboard enthusiast” who was looking > for > various IBM 327x keyboards and wanted to know if I