RE: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-09 Thread Robert Armstrong
Ethan Dicks [mailto:ethan.di...@gmail.com] wrote: I suppose if you found a way to wedge the upper and lower arms of the removable cartridge so the heads weren't damaged, ... I think it's even harder than that - the firmware in the drive will spin down if it thinks the removable cartridge

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-09 Thread Joseph Lang
Bob Take a look at the tu81 manual on bitsavers ek_tu81-tm_002_nov85.pdf The appendix describes the m8739 unibus klesi. It's tmscp but it applies to mscp as well. Joe On Jun 8, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Robert Armstrong b...@jfcl.com wrote: tony duell [mailto:a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] wrote: Is

RE: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-09 Thread Robert Armstrong
tony duell [mailto:a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] wrote: Is the KLESI printset on-line anywhere? The schematics are online (sounds like they've been found now), but that only tells you the electrical interface between the controller and the drive. That part's pretty simple (which is why it looks

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-09 Thread Sean Caron
Yeah, there were a few CDC drives like that ... I encountered a few Hawk drives once on an old Alpha Micro S-100 machine long ago; I believe it was, five megs fixed, five megs removable? The pack was about the size of a garbage can lid and I believe the unit spun them up to around 2400 RPM or so

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-06-08 07:50, ben wrote: On 6/7/2015 11:08 PM, tony duell wrote: That should be trivial. I've never laid hands on an RC25, but there must be a microswitch that detects when a cartridge is installed, and is accessible for bodging...? Yes, and don't do it! In every fixed/removeable

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread Mike Ross
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Ethan Dicks ethan.di...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Mike Ross tmfdm...@gmail.com wrote: That should be trivial. I've never laid hands on an RC25, but there must be a microswitch that detects when a cartridge is installed, and is accessible

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread Mike Ross
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Paul Koning paulkon...@comcast.net wrote: On Jun 8, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Mike Ross tmfdm...@gmail.com wrote: ... Ugh OK, I've never laid hands on one as I said; for some reason I thought the cartridge on these was a sealed unit containing the heads, like some

RE: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread tony duell
The RC25 was one of the last cartridge drives (before fixed drives came back in small sizes and exploding capacity), somewhat interesting because of its compact size, and very odd and hard to use because the designers threw in a fixed platter. Perhaps they thought that it was a good

RE: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-07 Thread tony duell
it's true very little LESI documentation escaped...But the klesi schematic did. and it's well commented. lots of descriptive signal names. The hardware to interface to it is almost trivial. I took a couple of hours looking over the schematic and have written a couple of pages describing how

RE: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-07 Thread tony duell
That should be trivial. I've never laid hands on an RC25, but there must be a microswitch that detects when a cartridge is installed, and is accessible for bodging...? Yes, and don't do it! In every fixed/removeable drive I have worked on (OK, never an RC25, but...) the heads for both the

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-07 Thread Joseph Lang
I found a file in my archive I got somewhere... I thought it was bitsavers. Mp01876_klesi_engrdrws_aug84.pdf Joe On Jun 7, 2015, at 1:03 PM, tony duell a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: it's true very little LESI documentation escaped...But the klesi schematic did. and it's well commented.

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-07 Thread Joseph Lang
I downloaded the rc-25 set from bitsavers. The klesi (q and u) prints were at the end. Joe On Jun 7, 2015, at 1:03 PM, tony duell a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: it's true very little LESI documentation escaped...But the klesi schematic did. and it's well commented. lots of descriptive

Re: Unibus SCSI - was Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-05 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ian S. King isk...@uw.edu wrote: The UC07 manual on Bitsavers shows this as a Qbus adapter - although I'd sure think it was Unibus from the name. The seller calls it out as Qbus and the documents back him/her up. Yeah. I have one. It's Qbus. Nothing wrong

Re: Unibus SCSI - was Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-05 Thread Ian S. King
The UC07 manual on Bitsavers shows this as a Qbus adapter - although I'd sure think it was Unibus from the name. The seller calls it out as Qbus and the documents back him/her up. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au wrote: On 2015-06-04 8:49 PM, Ethan Dicks

Actually QBus SCSI - was Re: Unibus SCSI - was Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-05 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-06-05 2:05 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ian S. King isk...@uw.edu wrote: The UC07 manual on Bitsavers shows this as a Qbus adapter - although I'd sure think it was Unibus from the name. The seller calls it out as Qbus and the documents back him/her up. Yeah.

RE: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-05 Thread Robert Armstrong
Ethan Dicks [ethan.di...@gmail.com] wrote: did not come with a removable cartridge so I've not been able to spin it up Yes, one of the annoyances of the RC25 is that you can't spin it up w/o the removable platter in place. I have only one cartridge myself, and it's probably bad. Somebody