On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 at 08:46, Steve Malikoff via cctalk
wrote:
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> In the late eighties I used to use E, an editor developed internally at IBM.
> My dad had retired from there by then but got it from
> ex-colleagues. I see you can get it from here now
>
I used pmate in my early DOS years (1982-83) eventually switching back to
vi when it was available. That might have been the MKS (Mortice Kern
Systems) version.
I have a copy of pmate but its two or three files are tangled up on a disk
image with some unrelated .com files. When I can sort them out
In the late eighties I used to use E, an editor developed internally at IBM. My
dad had retired from there by then but got it from
ex-colleagues. I see you can get it from here now
https://winworldpc.com/product/ibm-e-editor/3x
Already mentioned is Brief, I still have the light green box on the
On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 15:06, Adrian Graham wrote:
> On 1 Oct 2021, at 12:58, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> Discontinued some years ago, sadly.
>
> Yes, and instead they made BBEdit free for the most part. That’s what I’m
> using. Still got TextWrangler on the older Macs of course.
True
I'm using BBEdit (paid version) on my Mac and I really like it. The language
plug-ins are very helpful.
On 10/1/21, 9:06 AM, "cctalk on behalf of Adrian Graham via cctalk"
wrote:
> On 1 Oct 2021, at 12:58, Liam Proven via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at
> On 1 Oct 2021, at 12:58, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
>
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 05:03, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>> For the Mac, there is TextWrangler (free version
>> of BBEdit), with many useful capabilities (such as editing a remote file
>> via an sftp:// URL, for
On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 05:03, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk
wrote:
> For the Mac, there is TextWrangler (free version
> of BBEdit), with many useful capabilities (such as editing a remote file
> via an sftp:// URL, for example).
Discontinued some years ago, sadly.
--
Liam Proven ~
Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 9/28/21 2:19 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Editors are like religion once you have a favorite you defend it like
crazy.
My lovely wife still uses QEdit under a DOS emulator running on Linux.
I occasionally still use an editor that I wrote for CP/M-80, and
On Thu, 30 Sept 2021 at 08:29, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> On the west coast, we were doing our initial development on a VAX
> 11/750, but at some point I asked the folks back in St. Paul what they
> were using for an editor. OGNATE! I was dumbfounded--you see, the
> ETA-10 has many fewer
On 9/29/21 10:22 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
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> I started on 8-bitters. On minis, I first encountered EDT (on VMS),
> then Emacs (on UNIX, AmigaDOS, and even VMS), then years later when I
> was working for Lucent/Bell Labs, vi...
Okay, story time. Back in the early-mid 1970s, I found
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 5:30 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> "Baby Duck Syndrome": you bond to the first one. Any time you are tempted
> to switch, everything that any other one does differently is "just all
> wrong". If you are eventually compelled to switch, you will bond to a new
> one;
On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 20:25, ben via cctalk wrote:
> I like TERSE for dos. A 4096 byte sized editor for DOS.
> 64Kb files only, but good for editing from a floppy
> when we had them. Still can be found on the web.
> Ben.
That is really quite impressive!
On 2021-09-29 10:16 a.m., Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
But really nothing to love. Then I learned VAX/VMS at Uni and I didn't
love EDT, although later I learned Edlin on DOS in my first job, and
that made me miss EDT very badly.
I think it was probably only when DR-DOS and MS-DOS 5+ included
On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 06:53, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
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> Writing to the video memory was the simplest and most straightforward way
> to do it
"*Real* programmers use a magnetized needle and a steady hand."
https://xkcd.com/378/
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On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 01:47, Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
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> Control-C, Control-X & Control-P for copy, cut and paste in Windows 11
> dates back to Wordstar on 8-Bit CPM systems in the 80s.
No they didn't. They came from the Mac:
On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 01:37, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
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> I confess to having Wordstar so thoroughly burned into my reflexes
It was once, yes. I got better.
But now:
http://wordtsar.ca/
> that
> I still use joe under linux.
Tilde FTW.
https://os.ghalkes.nl/tilde
> Let's not forget
On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 00:41, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Can EMACS be expanded enough to emulate VI?
https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/emacs-evil-mode/
> Can VI be expanded enough to emulate EMACS?
https://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=300
There's something almost poetic in
On Tue, 28 Sept 2021 at 23:55, Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
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> Fred Cisin said "'course, then there are the MAJOR religious battles.
> Such as VI VS EMACS."
>
> I cannot agree more. I know many people who live in VI thought I cannot
> fathom why.
I worked at Red Hat briefly and SUSE for more
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't figure out
how to exit it."
:q
you're welcome
No, no... you're doing it all wrong ... it's ZZ
See . :q is colon q enter, so 3 buttons. ZZ is jsut 2 buttons (shift
doesn't
Van,Is this for the manual I picked up from you? It was red three ring binder
deal.-Ali
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Date: 9/28/21 1:07 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
cct...@classiccmp.org Subject: Found my favorite DOS editor I found files for
my favorite DOS editor on
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
For those of you who wrote your own editors. How did you display special
ASCII characters? Years ago, In highschool I tried writing a hex editor (in
qbasic so this may have been the problem) but when display anything that
had a function like chr
I spent years working in field service, and this was a conversation I had
multiple times per day...
Me: Silently types 'vi ' or 'edlin ' depending on the platform
Client: Wow you still use - You should use Qedit12005b
its the best!
me: But the next client I visit won't have Qedit12005b, so I
On 9/28/21 8:37 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
> For those of you who wrote your own editors. How did you display special
> ASCII characters? Years ago, In highschool I tried writing a hex editor (in
> qbasic so this may have been the problem) but when display anything that
> had a function
For those of you who wrote your own editors. How did you display special
ASCII characters? Years ago, In highschool I tried writing a hex editor (in
qbasic so this may have been the problem) but when display anything that
had a function like chr 07 it would activate instead of display. I gave up
On Tue, 2021-09-28 at 15:49 -0700, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote:
> Since EMACS has a full programming language (elisp), you can write
> anything you want in it (mail readers, browsers, calendar apps, other
> editors, etc)
Years ago, one of my colleagues showed me a pocket reference card
You are correct, in WordStar I was Control-K + C for copy, Control-K + V
for move block. In Windows it's Control-C for copy and Control-V for
paste.
I was wrong about control P, that is print in windows.
Sorry, my memory is going.
In my defense its still C for copy and V for paste in both.
On 9/28/21 4:46 PM, Mike Katz wrote:
> Control-C, Control-X & Control-P for copy, cut and paste in Windows 11
> dates back to Wordstar on 8-Bit CPM systems in the 80s.
Are you certain about that?
Ctrl-C = Page down
Ctrl-X = Line down
Ctrl-P = not on WS
One way to remember this is to look at the
Control-C, Control-X & Control-P for copy, cut and paste in Windows 11
dates back to Wordstar on 8-Bit CPM systems in the 80s.
On 9/28/2021 6:36 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 9/28/21 3:49 PM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote:
Yes. There is an elisp package called EVIL (Extensible VI
On 9/28/21 3:49 PM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote:
> Yes. There is an elisp package called EVIL (Extensible VI Layer) that
> emulates VI in EMACS.
I confess to having Wordstar so thoroughly burned into my reflexes that
I still use joe under linux.
Let's not forget MINCE, either. Ran on
On 9/28/21 3:41 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't
figure out how to exit it."
:q
you're welcome
Or having to power cycle the machine to get out of EMACS.
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
To Exit EMACS:
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't
figure out how to exit it."
:q
you're welcome
Or having to power cycle the machine to get out of EMACS.
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
To Exit EMACS:?? Control-X Control-C
I once saw a car with a vanity
On Tue, 2021-09-28 at 15:13 -0700, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote:
> I only use VI if I absolutely must and always have issues with the
> modality.
I was told to worry about the damage I could do to my filing system by
typing my password when VI is in the wrong mode.
On Tue, 2021-09-28 at 14:29 -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 9/28/21 2:19 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> > Editors are like religion once you have a favorite you defend it
> > like
> > crazy.
>
> My lovely wife still uses QEdit under a DOS emulator running on
> Linux.
>
> I
> On 28 Sep 2021, at 23:13, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> On 9/28/21 3:02 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2021 2:48 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>>>
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't figure out
how to exit it."
>>>
> > > "I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't
> > > figure out how to exit it."
> >
> > :q
> >
> > you're welcome
>
> Or having to power cycle the machine to get out of EMACS.
I think people missed the part where I said I typed the reply (and, for that
matter, this
On 9/28/21 3:02 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
On 9/28/2021 2:48 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't
figure out
how to exit it."
:q
you're welcome
Or having to power cycle the machine to get out of EMACS.
Why would
To Exit EMACS: Control-X Control-C
On 9/28/2021 5:02 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
On 9/28/2021 2:48 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't
figure out
how to exit it."
:q
you're welcome
Or having to power cycle the
On 9/28/2021 4:44 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
'course, then there are the MAJOR religious battles. Such as VI VS EMACS.
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't figure out
how to exit it."
(written in vi)
I try to stay out of the VI/Emacs war, but I do use VI
On 9/28/2021 2:48 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't
figure out
how to exit it."
:q
you're welcome
Or having to power cycle the machine to get out of EMACS.
thanks
Jim
Hold down the shift key and press the letter Z twice.
You're free, you're free and freedom tastes like reality...
On 9/28/2021 4:44 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
'course, then there are the MAJOR religious battles. Such as VI VS EMACS.
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly
Fred Cisin said "'course, then there are the MAJOR religious battles.
Such as VI VS EMACS."
I cannot agree more. I know many people who live in VI thought I cannot
fathom why. My first screen based editor (as opposed to a text editor),
in 1980, was John F. Wakerly's Programma Improved
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't figure out
how to exit it."
:q
you're welcome
> 'course, then there are the MAJOR religious battles. Such as VI VS EMACS.
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't figure out
how to exit it."
(written in vi)
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personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Editors are like religion once you have a favorite you defend it like crazy.
"Baby Duck Syndrome": you bond to the first one. Any time you are tempted
to switch, everything that any other one does differently is "just all
wrong". If you are
On 9/28/21 2:19 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> Editors are like religion once you have a favorite you defend it like
> crazy.
My lovely wife still uses QEdit under a DOS emulator running on Linux.
I occasionally still use an editor that I wrote for CP/M-80, and then
ported to MS-DOS. The
Editors are like religion once you have a favorite you defend it like crazy.
I discovered the Basic Reconfigurable Interactive Editing Facility
(Brief), initially sold by Underware and then Solution Systems, in the
late 80s. It quickly became my favorite editor. Eventually Borland
bought
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