On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 2:27 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The current message
> "From" field contains the name of the original sender but with the
> encoded address of the list as the email address
>
Unfortunately now there's no practical way for a mailing list to
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> I have an observation for when the list migrates. The current message "From"
> field contains the name of the original sender but with the encoded address of
> the list as the email address
>
> For example this has
>
> Al Kossow via cctalk
On 6/16/2020 5:21 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
With Jay retiring, what are the hosting plans for these mailing lists?
I have an observation for when the list migrates. The current message
"From" field contains the name of the original sender but with the
encoded address of the list as
On 6/24/2020 12:06 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
On 6/24/2020 10:02 AM, Curious Marc via cctalk wrote:
But I would strongly suggest that we limit it to using characters from
the Baudot set. If not they don’t print right on my 1930 Teletype.
I can peruse the list on my Teletype ASR-32(s).
On 6/24/2020 10:02 AM, Curious Marc via cctalk wrote:
But I would strongly suggest that we limit it to using characters from the
Baudot set. If not they don’t print right on my 1930 Teletype.
I can peruse the list on my Teletype ASR-32(s). Can archive the list
with the 5 level paper tape
Someone whose name might be Marc might have written:
Peter Coghlan wrote:
Does anyone use ASCII anymore?
>>>
>>> I read and write my email with Emacs running in a terminal emulator.
>>> I rarely need anything beoynd codepoint 126.
>>
>> I vote we move the list to an Exchange server
>>> Peter Coghlan wrote:
>>> Does anyone use ASCII anymore?
>>
>> I read and write my email with Emacs running in a terminal emulator.
>> I rarely need anything beoynd codepoint 126.
>
> I vote we move the list to an Exchange server behind a SSL VPN and mandate
> the use of Outlook, then
On 6/19/20 9:42 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
We need, or at least want, to handle BOTH.
Agreed.
Long-term, "permanent" content, as well as the casual "What is
this? here's what it looks like"
I think that short term can sort of ride the coat tales of the long term
solution.
I have
On 6/18/20 7:34 AM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote:
I vote we move the list to an Exchange server behind a SSL VPN
and mandate the use of Outlook, then force all messages to be in
quoted-printable encoding.
I see your quoted-printable and raise you TNEF.
This way nobody “wins” and
On 2020-06-19 23:42, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>> Images take up a lot of space and are best dealt with via links.
>
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>> Which rot over time.
>> If you're going to create a permanent archive, you need to archive any
>> attachments as well.
>>
On 2020-06-19 11:27 p.m., Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Images take up a lot of space and are best dealt with via links.
>
> Which rot over time.
>
> If you're going to create a permanent archive, you need to archive any
> attachments as well.
>
> http://www.vcfed.org/forum is a perfect
Images take up a lot of space and are best dealt with via links.
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
Which rot over time.
If you're going to create a permanent archive, you need to archive any
attachments as well.
http://www.vcfed.org/forum is a perfect example of messages full
Images take up a lot of space and are best dealt with via links.
Which rot over time.
If you're going to create a permanent archive, you need to archive any
attachments as well.
http://www.vcfed.org/forum is a perfect example of messages full of link rot.
Agree that current mailing list format is best as simple, low
bandwidth and can always post links to images or other large
files. I still use Eudora as my email client and have text only
emails. Seems to perplex a lot of people I deal with when I can't
read their emails, but it seems
Or an http, https, ftp, or gopher url to somewhere else hosting the image.
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk wrote:
Well, not everyone can afford to host their own site, for various
reasons, and if hosting externally you have to agree to T's you may not
necessarily be happy
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote:
> > Sure, there's always `uuencode' when you do need to post that non-text
> > piece (which I guess will keep the eyes of Luddites away from it too).
> >
>
> Or an http, https, ftp, or gopher url to somewhere else hosting the image.
Well,
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 3:31 PM Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Sure, there's always `uuencode' when you do need to post that non-text
> piece (which I guess will keep the eyes of Luddites away from it too).
>
Or an http, https, ftp, or gopher url to somewhere else
Dave Wade wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ethan Dicks
> > Sent: 19 June 2020 15:44
> > To: Dave Wade ; General Discussion: On-Topic
> > and Off-Topic Posts
> > Subject: Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of
> > cctalk/cc
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
> > It's time to adopt a platform that can handle modern mail. Some may still
> > choose a degraded experience, but everyone is entitled to their own fetish.
>
> Any old mail client can read "modern mail": MIME is designed to be
>
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk
> wrote:
>> Its been ages since I did this but looking here
>>
>> https://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/RS232.htm
>>
>> I see we have a transmit clock output on
On 19/06/2020 11:07, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
I already tried extracting ZSDRIVER.EXE from the DECnet/OSI kit for
VAX/VMS 7.3
and placing it in SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES but ZSA0: remained stubbornly
offline
until I installed the rest of DECnet/OSI and the LES$ACP_V30 process
started.
I think
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 17:36, Peter Corlett via cctalk
wrote:
> There are *no* "modern" newsreaders,
> apart from the occasional kitchen-sink monstrosity which does nothing well.)
There was...
https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/
--
Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven
On 2020-06-19 11:43 a.m., Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk
wrote:
Its been ages since I did this but looking here
https://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/RS232.htm
I see we have a transmit clock output on pin 24, transmit clock input on
> -Original Message-
> From: Ethan Dicks
> Sent: 19 June 2020 15:44
> To: Dave Wade ; General Discussion: On-Topic
> and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of
> cctalk/cctech
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Da
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 10:28:05PM -0400, Tony Aiuto via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> And sometimes, a picture really is worth 1000 words.
But pictures also consume magnitudes-of-order more resources than a thousand
words, and should be used rather more judiciously than they are.
> A tiny SVG diagram
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk
wrote:
> Its been ages since I did this but looking here
>
> https://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/RS232.htm
>
> I see we have a transmit clock output on pin 24, transmit clock input on 15
> and RX clock input on 17.
> So if on checking
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>> ...
>
> The specifications manual says that the maximum speed for the DST32 is
> 19200 bps (for HDLC or SDLC) or 9600 bps (for DDCMP) but worryingly
> doesn't list a speed for BISYNC which is what I want to do with it :-(
Antonio Carlini wrote:
On 18/06/2020 14:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
>
> I have found the whole thing very confusing too. My suspicion was also
> that they were pretty much the same thing but the DST32 had exernal
> connectors suitable for mounting in a MicroVAX 2000 while the DST32 had
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:21:14AM +0100, Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote:
> [...] Some of the UK banking systems like HOBS survived using viewdata that
> way up to the end of the 1990s, and I still have at least a couple of 1275
> modems.
Hobbyists are still running Viewdata BBSes. Here's one
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan
> via cctalk
> Sent: 18 June 2020 23:11
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of
> cctalk/cctech
>
> Ethan D
Tony Aiuto wrote
>It's time to adopt a platform that can handle modern mail.
>Some may still choose a degraded experience, but everyone is entitled to their
>own fetish.
Yes, everyone is free to chose to use the list or the discord server or
whatever is down the road years from now; but as
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:47 AM geneb via cctalk
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
>
> > ED SHARPE wrote:
> >> Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and graphics
> it
> >> is a brand new world !I love old hardware to look at but if
> >>
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
>> Anyway, this whole line of attack is fairly academic as the modems can
>> only do 48kbps - 160kbps and the maximum for the DSH/T32 seems to be
>> 19200bps.
>>
>
> I'd be surprised if they don't work at up to 56k
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> I can rustle up +/-12V with a bench supply or two but I don't have a
> 1488 handy. I should be able to borrow a MAX232 from something though.
> I don't have any baud rate generators lying around either. How about a
On 6/18/20 2:55 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> Ethan Dicks wrote:
> I can rustle up +/-12V with a bench supply or two but I don't have a
> 1488 handy. I should be able to borrow a MAX232 from something though.
> I don't have any baud rate generators lying around either. How about a
> 555
Sometimes I'll log into alembic and read my mail with BABYL.
On 6/18/2020 6:03 PM, Eric Korpela via cctalk wrote:
I used to use netcat, but now I just watch an oscilloscope.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:41 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
I read this list on PINE,
On 18/06/2020 21:31, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I did see something vaguely similar. Bell 202 modems are 1200 baud FSK, so on
a voice channel they normally are 1200 bps half duplex. They can also be
hooked up to 4-wire fixed circuits. But they have a reverse channel, good for
150 baud
On 18/06/2020 23:03, Eric Korpela via cctalk wrote:
I used to use netcat, but now I just watch an oscilloscope.
Reminds me of a cartoon in a HiFi mag several years ago. Enthusiast
talking to friend in front of dual 'scopes, "Why listen to it when I can
see it's perfect?"
--
Pete
Pete
Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:42 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply Paul. My eventual goal is to be able to use the
> > synchronous serial interface on a MicroVAX to connect to IBM machines that
> > only support bisync lines.
>
> I'm curious which
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:08 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
wrote:
> Ethan Dicks wrote:
> > As for the clocking, yes, a modem or modem eliminator provides the
> > baud rate clocking on pins 15 and 17. You could use any one of a
> > number of baud rate generators...
> I can rustle up +/-12V with a
Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:53 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> wrote:
> > To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
> > serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
> > interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D
I used to use netcat, but now I just watch an oscilloscope.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:41 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> >
> > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
>
>
Paul Koning wrote:
>
> > On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk >
> > ...
> > As I mentioned in another reply, I have a pair of baseband synchronous mode
> > and were it not for a speed incompatibility between them and the MicroVAX
> > synchronous serial interfaces I have access
On 18/06/2020 14:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
I have found the whole thing very confusing too. My suspicion was also
that they were pretty much the same thing but the DST32 had exernal
connectors suitable for mounting in a MicroVAX 2000 while the DST32 had
external connectors that could
On 2020-06-18 3:34 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 6/18/20 6:06 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
and I also have two Nokia DS 60100 baseband modems, one with a V.35
interface card and one with an X.21 interface card. When I hook up the
former with the BC19F cable, I can get the
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>> On 6/18/20 11:55 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> We used to run our sync serial stuff between 9600 and 56kbps, both our
>>> own Bisync products,
On 6/18/2020 6:33 AM, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk wrote:
Indeed. I get quite a lot of emails and mutt allows me to properly
fight back.
err Mutt bites back.
I use whats free.
Ben.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> On 6/18/20 11:55 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
>
> > We used to run our sync serial stuff between 9600 and 56kbps, both our
> > own Bisync products, and DDCMP over interfaces like the one that's
> > part of the DMF32...
>
> My
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> However, Peter uses PMDF MAIL to post to the list because it has been
> pointed out to him that VMS MAIL doesn't do References: and In-Reply-To:
> headers correctly. On that note, has anyone heard from Mouse? I haven't
> seen anything
On 6/18/20 11:55 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
> We used to run our sync serial stuff between 9600 and 56kbps, both our
> own Bisync products, and DDCMP over interfaces like the one that's
> part of the DMF32. We had customers in Europe running our products at
> 64kbps with no problems, and
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:42 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
wrote:
> Thanks for your reply Paul. My eventual goal is to be able to use the
> synchronous serial interface on a MicroVAX to connect to IBM machines that
> only support bisync lines.
I'm curious which software package you are using. In
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:48 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> > wrote:
> > As I mentioned in another reply, I have a pair of baseband synchronous
> > modems
> > and were it not for a speed incompatibility between them and the MicroVAX
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:53 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
wrote:
> To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
> serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
> interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC19V cable
>
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> As I mentioned in another reply, I have a pair of baseband synchronous modems
> and were it not for a speed incompatibility between them and the MicroVAX
> synchronous serial interfaces I have access to, ...
I'm
Paul Berger wrote:
On 2020-06-18 6:06 a.m., Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
> serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
> interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a
On 6/18/20 6:06 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> and I also have two Nokia DS 60100 baseband modems, one with a V.35
> interface card and one with an X.21 interface card. When I hook up the
> former with the BC19F cable, I can get the lights on the modem to react
> when I try to access
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 09:46:53AM -0500, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
>
> I'm most puzzled by the eager hosting volunteers who'd volunteer even before
> they have a full understanding of the job. Wouldn't you want to know
> how much time it might take you to administer the list, how much
>
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
ED SHARPE wrote:
Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and graphics it
is a brand new world ! I love old hardware to look at but if
communicating I like the ability to see graphical things... and I
think tell
Antonio Carlini wrote:
On 18/06/2020 10:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
>
> To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
> serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
> interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 4:03 AM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Peter Coghlan wrote:
>> Does anyone use ASCII anymore?
>
> I read and write my email with Emacs running in a terminal emulator.
> I rarely need anything beoynd codepoint 126.
I vote we move the list to an Exchange server
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 09:42:16AM +0100, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> I wrote this as one dollar => $1.00
> This as one pound => $1
> And this as one euro => €1
> Lastly one cent => ¢1
This came over the wire as follows:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
On Wed, 2020-06-17 16:44:26 -0400, Diane Bruce via cctalk
wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:41:39PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
> > > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> > >
> > > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
> >
> >
On 2020-06-18 6:06 a.m., Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC19V cable
which seem to
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 11:10, ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Dave -- I suppose the solve is to write it out long hand as in
> One Dollar One Cent One Pound...
Dear hypothetical deities, no. That causes problems with translation,
people not knowing the name of another country's
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 10:42, Dave Wade via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I wrote this as one dollar => $1.00
Dollar symbol, one
> This as one pound => $1
Dollar symbol, 1
> And this as one euro => €1
Euro symbol, one
> Lastly one cent => ¢1
Cent symbol, one
Fascinating.
--
Liam Proven – Profile:
On 18/06/2020 10:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC19V cable
which seem to be
Dave Wade wrote:
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan
> > via cctalk
> > Sent: 18 June 2020 08:22
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> >
> > Subject: RE: Future of cctalk/cctech
>
:
> -Original Message-> From: cctalk On
Behalf Of Peter Coghlan> via cctalk> Sent: 18 June 2020 08:22> To: General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts> > Subject: RE:
Future of cctalk/cctech> > ED SHARPE wrote:> > Use modern email program that
sees ex
Peter Coghlan wrote:
> Does anyone use ASCII anymore?
I read and write my email with Emacs running in a terminal emulator.
I rarely need anything beoynd codepoint 126.
I hear MIT-MC is a popular host for mailing lists. Remind me, is
ARPANET still up and running?
Christian Corti wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ben wrote:
> Does this mailing list have people using EBCDIC for example?
Yes, if for example I use Kermit on the IBM 5110 and connect to a UNIX
host. ;-) But in this case, my Kermit is doing the translation between
ASCII and EBCDIC.
Does anyone
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan
> via cctalk
> Sent: 18 June 2020 08:22
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: RE: Future of cctalk/cctech
>
> ED SHARPE wrote:
> > Use modern email prog
ED SHARPE wrote:
> Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and graphics it
> is a brand new world ! I love old hardware to look at but if
> communicating I like the ability to see graphical things... and I
> think tell majority of people like images of things.. Ed#
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ben wrote:
Does this mailing list have people using EBCDIC for example?
Yes, if for example I use Kermit on the IBM 5110 and connect to a UNIX
host. ;-) But in this case, my Kermit is doing the translation between
ASCII and EBCDIC.
Christian
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ED SHARPE wrote:
These 2 have my vote as well
I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
Yes, of course. I'm exclusively using Alpine even at work.
Christian
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:48:19AM -0700, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
In this group, I doubt that I am the only one.
I use Mutt.
Can we restrict to TEXT emails?
Yes please!
Cheers,
Ángel
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:46 PM, Diane Bruce via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:41:39PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
>>>
>>> Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
>>
>>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
>>
>> Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
>
> Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
And what’s wrong with
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
If we do implement attachments that are limited to one SSDD 8" disk, can
there please be some technological way of chaining disk 'parts' to allow
larger attachments to be transmitted?
If you use MS-DOS, and have a large drive in addition to
On 6/17/2020 4:44 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
If we do implement attachments that are limited to one SSDD 8" disk, can
there please be some technological way of chaining disk 'parts' to allow
larger attachments to be transmitted?
I am not turning my computer over, just to use the other
I'd be happy to host the list at firemountain.net, where a Mailman 2.X
instance has been happily running a few dozen public and private lists for
15-ish years (majordomo before that) (homebrew scripts before that).
No charge, no ads.
If the archives are available in mbox format (or something
I gave up on hosting my own email years ago when I was the recipient of
tens of thousands of spam messages per day, both to this and my business
email address. I now simply use gmail to handle email - seems like the G
beast has seen every bit of spam before, so the spam transfer rate is
We use groups,io for the tom swift discussion group real handy to post photos,
files and etc..
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 Chris Hanson via cctalk
wrote:
On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:50 AM, Tor Arntsen via cctalk
wrote:
>
There is also groups.io, and it has some very nice features compared
On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ED SHARPE @ AOHell.com via cctalk wrote:
>> These 2 have my vote as well
>> I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
>>
>>> The one thing I would change here is removal of the
> > > > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> > > >
> > > > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
> > >
> > > Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
> >
> > mutt!
>
> `less`, out of system spool.
tail -f $MAIL
But seriously,
On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:50 AM, Tor Arntsen via cctalk
wrote:
>
There is also groups.io, and it has some very nice features compared to
>
> Please please, no groups of any kinds. They're all horrible to use.
Do you mean "web forum" where you say "groups?"
> A
> genuine mailing list like
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:44:26PM -0400, Diane Bruce via cctalk wrote:
> mutt!
+1
On Jun 16, 2020, at 10:23 PM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Jon Elson wrote:
>> Yes, several other groups I read and contribute to have moved to
>> groups.io, and they are working quite well and reliably. Some options
>> require $10 a month to be free from ads.
>
> That's a red flag.
Although I am using a larger drive, I would prefer that we not have any
messages that wouldn't be possible to fit on an 8" SSSD disk.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ben via cctalk wrote:
Does that include the TAG LINE?
I am happy just to have ASCII text, and trimmed messages.
Does this mailing list have
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 19:04, ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
> I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
Several of my colleagues at a Prominent German Linux Distributor use
Mutt/Neomutt. I don't, I am on Thunderbird and rather like it.
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On 6/17/2020 2:35 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Although I am using a larger drive, I would prefer that we not have any
messages that wouldn't be possible to fit on an 8" SSSD disk.
Does that include the TAG LINE?
I am happy just to have ASCII text, and trimmed messages.
Does this mailing
> > > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> > > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
> > Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
> mutt!
`less`, out of system spool.
De
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 09:39:41PM +0200, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 07:24:40PM +, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and
...
>
> Besides, once the html or any other non-pure text format takes over,
>
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:41:39PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
> > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> >
> > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
>
> Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
mutt!
> --
>
> > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
>
> Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm.
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They take up a lot of space.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
Well, there is some circa 2005 thinking.
2005 was only 15 years ago.
Some of us have pre-Y2K thinking.
Have we finally gotten rid of discussion of a "ten year rule"/"twenty
year rule"?
Is there ANYTHING
I wonder what you don't like about "groups.io" Its pretty much a pure
mailing list?
The one thing I would change here is removal of the restriction on
attachments.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
They take up a lot of space.
FREE mail lists on groups.io have a size limit.
> They take up a lot of space.
Well, there is some circa 2005 thinking.
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> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
> cctalk
> Sent: 17 June 2020 13:55
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Future of cctalk/cctech
>
> > I wonder what you don't like about "groups.io" Its pretty much a pure
>
> The one thing I would change here is removal of the restriction on
> attachments.
> Well, two things.. Getting rid of the cctalk/cctech split as well.
Amen on that. The first one in particular. As simple as that and you’ve gotten
yourself a very functional yet efficient system.
Marc
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 07:24:40PM +, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
>
> Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and
> graphics it is a brand new world ! I love old hardware to
> look at but if communicating I like the ability to see graphical
> things... and I think
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