Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
Perhaps this discussion would be a good candidate for private email? > On May 14, 2019 at 1:58 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > > On 5/14/19 12:16 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > No, not really. The OP was trying to get wifi working on Win98. That's > > not the same thing. > >

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/14/19 12:16 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: No, not really. The OP was trying to get wifi working on Win98. That's not the same thing. The letter of what the OP wanted was WiFi. I took the spirit of what the OP wanted was network. You jumped to a conclusion. No I did not. I

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 20:02, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > The OP wanted a way to get a computer on the network, preferably > wireless, or wired. No, not really. The OP was trying to get wifi working on Win98. That's not the same thing. You jumped to a conclusion. Then, you declared,

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 11:36 AM 5/14/2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: >> But you did look it up, and I'm guessing you now have an idea where it >> could be used, even for things other than gaming consoles. >No, not really. Some kind of toy attachment. Not really relevant to >the discussion, AFAICS. We should

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/14/19 10:36 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Some kind of toy attachment. Not really relevant to the discussion, AFAICS. The OP wanted a way to get a computer on the network, preferably wireless, or wired. The type of device I suggested very early did exactly what the OP wanted.

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 04:54, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > Maybe it's a regional term. I've heard other people use it in multiple > states here in the U.S.A. Hi, welcome to ClassicCmp. This is an international list with members in dozens of countries and dozens of native languages. You

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 00:39, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > So you turned your laptop into a gaming adapter. 31 years in the tech industry, some 5-6 years as a hobbyist before that, working in 4 countries in international teams in multiple sectors from retail to the enterprise. I have

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Pete Turnbull via cctalk
On 14/05/2019 14:17, John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 03:02 AM 5/14/2019, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2019, Grant Taylor wrote: "Gaming adapters" take a wired computer and connect it to a wireless network. That "adapter" has always been called a WLAN or wireless bridge.

RE: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis via > cctalk > Sent: 14 May 2019 16:03 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Network cards and Win98SE > > One other problem I have with the term "gaming adapter" is the overuse >

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread geneb via cctalk
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Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Tapley, Mark via cctalk
> On May 13, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Mon, 13 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> The last game that I recall playing with any frequency was Chess 3.0 on >> a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only >> a couple of hours, tops.

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:03 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > One other problem I have with the term "gaming adapter" is the overuse > by the marketeers of the term "gaming". So we have gaming systems, > keyboards, monitors, mice, chairs and probably coffee cups. > > Reminds me of the

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On May 14, 2019 at 10:02 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > > One other problem I have with the term "gaming adapter" is the overuse > by the marketeers of the term "gaming". So we have gaming systems, > keyboards, monitors, mice, chairs and probably coffee cups. The > original meaning

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
One other problem I have with the term "gaming adapter" is the overuse by the marketeers of the term "gaming". So we have gaming systems, keyboards, monitors, mice, chairs and probably coffee cups. The original meaning of "to game" is "manipulate (a situation), typically in a way that is unfair

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/14/19 7:19 AM, Chris Elmquist wrote: > But now you are going to be bombarded with ads for yoga pants... Sure, picture me in yoga pants--and before lunch yet. Have you no respect for utter revulsion? --Chuck

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: John Foust > I missed the start of this discussion... exactly why did you want to > rely on a wireless connection and couldn't string a network cable? The list archive: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/ is your friend. (That's actually how I read it, so my

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Chris Elmquist via cctalk
On Monday (05/13/2019 at 10:15PM -0700), Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 5/13/19 9:10 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 5/13/19 10:04 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > > >> Those who know me, for example, will know I have little interest in > >> physical exercise. But I bought a mat

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 03:02 AM 5/14/2019, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: >On Mon, 13 May 2019, Grant Taylor wrote: >>"Gaming adapters" take a wired computer and connect it to a wireless network. > >That "adapter" has always been called a WLAN or wireless bridge. I've known the term "gaming adapter" because I

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Pete Turnbull via cctalk
On 13/05/2019 23:47, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 5/13/19 3:58 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I don't want to get into a long discussion; I merely wanted to point out that you're unlikely to find the term "gaming adapter" in Linux tech docs as they're not written for that audience.

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Mon, 13 May 2019, Grant Taylor wrote: "Gaming adapters" take a wired computer and connect it to a wireless network. That "adapter" has always been called a WLAN or wireless bridge. Christian

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Those who know me, for example, will know I have little interest in physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a piece of photographic equipment. On Mon, 13 May 2019, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: A

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Those who know me, for example, will know I have little interest in physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a piece of photographic equipment. A deceased friend lined some airtight camera cases with

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/13/19 9:10 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 5/13/19 10:04 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: >> Those who know me, for example, will know I have little interest in >> physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities >> because it was a suitable material for lininng a

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/13/19 10:04 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: On the other hand I do not object to buyng something because the _intended_ use is of no interest to me. I hoist my drink to you. If you have a use for it, great. If not, then pass. Oh, that's not the intended use? Pft. Those who know

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:57 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, 13 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > The last game that I recall playing with any frequency was Chess 3.0 on > > a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only > > a couple of hours, tops.

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/13/19 9:48 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: "RPG" today doesn't mean a computer language anymore. In the circles that I travel in, Report Program Generator is quite common. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/13/19 7:50 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 5/13/19 5:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> So which term came first, "gaming adapter" or "network bridging"? > > Without a doubt, "network bridging".  But good luck going into the > average box store (or possibly even online etailers)

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/13/19 7:52 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: I had to google "gaming adapter" because I had never heard the term before, and I've been working with 802.11 since 2001 when all we had was 2mbps. Maybe it's a regional term. I've heard other people use it in multiple states here in the

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/13/19 5:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: So which term came first, "gaming adapter" or "network bridging"? Without a doubt, "network bridging". But good luck going into the average box store (or possibly even online etailers) and getting someone to know what a "network bridging"

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:47 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 5/13/19 3:58 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > I don't want to get into a long discussion; I merely wanted to point > > out that you're unlikely to find the term "gaming adapter" in Linux > > tech docs as they're not written

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Malcolm via cctalk
> Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 17:41:24 -0500 > From: "Charles" > To: "cctalk digest" > Subject: Network cards and Win98SE > Message-ID: <4F49BB9C660F44B8B67371D3BAB651AA@CharlesDellLap> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 13 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: The last game that I recall playing with any frequency was Chess 3.0 on a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only a couple of hours, tops. For the last 30 years, I haven't even bothered to look. Fred, how about

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/13/19 4:21 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > "gaming adapter" is a broad category like "vacuum / hoover" or "copier / > Xerox" or "tissue / Kleenex" or "automobile".  All of which have many > names that can be used equally across many different broad categories. > > "Gaming adapters"

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/13/19 4:05 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote: >> You could have installed a gaming adapter, opened the web page, >> connected it to the wireless and been done. > > Sure, but you assume I know anything about online gaming (I don't); it > would require purchasing one, *and* I already had the

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/13/19 5:05 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote: Sure, but you assume I know anything about online gaming (I don't); No, I do not. "gaming adapter" is a broad category like "vacuum / hoover" or "copier / Xerox" or "tissue / Kleenex" or "automobile". All of which have many names that can be

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Charles via cctalk
You could have installed a gaming adapter, opened the web page, connected it to the wireless and been done. Sure, but you assume I know anything about online gaming (I don't); it would require purchasing one, *and* I already had the Linksys router and card, just gathering dust for years! I

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
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Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/13/19 3:58 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I don't want to get into a long discussion; I merely wanted to point out that you're unlikely to find the term "gaming adapter" in Linux tech docs as they're not written for that audience. And it's very likely that something with the Debian

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/13/19 3:56 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote: Thanks for the tips. The reason I’m not using Ethernet cable is because the Vintage Computer Room (where this PC resides) is on the 2nd floor around a couple of corners, and my DSL modem/router and unfiltered phone line are in the 1st floor study.

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/13/19 11:58 AM, Grant Taylor wrote: > On May 12, 2019, at 10:17 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: >> Don't know a thing about gaming and never wanted to--wrong generation, I >> guess. > > Perhaps “gaming adapter” is the wrong term for this audience. > > Let me describe it as a type of

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Charles via cctalk
Thanks for the tips. The reason I’m not using Ethernet cable is because the Vintage Computer Room (where this PC resides) is on the 2nd floor around a couple of corners, and my DSL modem/router and unfiltered phone line are in the 1st floor study. Would take a long run and some drilling, or

RE: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Liam Proven via > cctalk > Sent: 13 May 2019 12:18 > To: John Many Jars ; General Discussion: > On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Network cards and Win98SE > > On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 12:02, John Ma

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 12:02, John Many Jars via cctalk wrote: > > I just run PUTR under DosBox on a modern PC. A pain but... easier. Can that read/write physical media? -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus:

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-13 Thread John Many Jars via cctalk
I just run PUTR under DosBox on a modern PC. A pain but... easier. On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 23:41, Charles via cctalk wrote: > I have tried for two days to get wireless networking running on my old PC > under Win 98SE, so I can use PUTR without a separate partition or boot. XP > is on an 8.4 GB

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/12/19 7:33 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 5/12/19 6:29 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> Something else you may want to consider if your 98SE box has a >> traditional NIC is using a cheap wifi-equipped micro as a network >> bridge.  I've done that using an Orange Pi Zero and it

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-12 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 5/12/19 6:29 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Something else you may want to consider if your 98SE box has a traditional NIC is using a cheap wifi-equipped micro as a network bridge. I've done that using an Orange Pi Zero and it works very well. IMHO the OPZ would be functioning as what

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Something else you may want to consider if your 98SE box has a traditional NIC is using a cheap wifi-equipped micro as a network bridge. I've done that using an Orange Pi Zero and it works very well. Wfi to the OPZ and RJ-45 to the 98SE system. No need for fancy network negotiation on the Win98

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/12/19 3:41 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote: > I have tried for two days to get wireless networking running on my old > PC under Win 98SE, so I can use PUTR without a separate partition or > boot. XP is on an 8.4 GB drive. 98SE is on an older 540 MB drive. The older Linksys WMP54G and GS will

Re: Network cards and Win98SE

2019-05-12 Thread Cindy Croxton via cctalk
On 5/12/19 5:41 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote: I have tried for two days to get wireless networking running on my old PC under Win 98SE, so I can use PUTR without a separate partition or boot. XP is on an 8.4 GB drive. 98SE is on an older 540 MB drive. There are two network cards (a Netgear