RE: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-14 Thread William Sudbrink via cctalk
Al Kossow wrote: > Cleaning the Hakko is SO much easier than a > Pace (there is no glass to burn your > fingers on). The newer Pace desoldering tools (SX-90, SX-100) are much better, both in cleaning (disposable traps) and usage (the tips simply don't block at all). Bill S. --- This email has

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-14 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I have a 605. I tend to use solder wick though, it has been a while since I needed a powered sucker. On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 8:40 AM systems_glitch via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Another Hakko 472D owner here. Got mine in pieces as used/nonworking. > They're easy to rebuild. I've

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-14 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
Another Hakko 472D owner here. Got mine in pieces as used/nonworking. They're easy to rebuild. I've used the 808s at workshops/friends' places, there's no comparison IMO. I use the "pencil" style handpiece, we had the "gun" style at a previous job, I definitely like the "pencil" style better.

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-13 Thread Ed C. via cctalk
I have the combo unit including solder. I do not have any other experience with any high-end ware but I can say that this unit does all I need and does it well. On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 7:17 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 11/13/18 7:38 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-13 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk
All this yammering about fancy desoldering gizmos harkens back memories of a "desoldering station" consisting of a hot soldering iron ... made of a hefty amount of copper (the kind you put in a pit of fire to heat up!) and a long, skinny screwdriver, or two, used to _very_ gently pry up ICs from

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I believe that a mini version of the VAX 9000 consisting of the main CPU rack can be set up for display, plus photos / posters of a full setup in the background. Add a terminal or two and we can demo the 9000 without breaking the bank. I did not check but even a few drives would suffice to demo

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk
Amazing rescue! Hope nothing breaks. On 11/8/18, 3:55 AM, "cctalk on behalf of Evan Koblentz via cctalk" wrote: The VCF museum took delivery of a VAX 9440 today. It arrived in two 28-foot trailers. Here's our forklift driver beginning to unload the first truck:

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
That is a behemoth!! Did you ger that huge powerforming thingy that goes with it? I'm told that we got * everything *. Are you crazy enough to atempt a power-up? Yes.

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
The question is probably, could they afford the power bill? We have a bunch of Crays and CDCs at the Computer History Museum, and if they were operational, we'd probably have to take up a special very-large-hat-passing collection http://vcfed.org/wp/contribute/ :)

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
Amazing rescue! Hope nothing breaks. Right now I'm just happy no * people * broke when it was delivered! Unloading it from two 28-foot trailers required five people, two pallet jacks, and a forklift.

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 11/13/18 7:38 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: > Instead, I use two pencil-type irons, one in each hand, working under > a stereo microscope. The tips are much better, and manipulating each > tip independently provides great control of what's going on. Only > drawback is that if you want to

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
What a majestic system! When I saw the teaser picture of the backs of racks on Twitter, I was assuming something in the 11/78x series. I don't know anything about the 9440 yet, so it'll be fun to read up on that. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-13 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
On the topic of desoldering tweezers: I don't like them. I've done tons of rework of components down to 0201 size. I consider 0201 to be difficult, but I found that once I could work on 0201 components at all, 0402 suddenly seemed easy to work with! Anyway, the tweezers I've used had poor tip

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/12/2018 08:34 AM, Ethan via cctalk wrote: Some people are satisfied with the handheld vacuum desoldering irons, like the Hakko 808 (now replaced by Hakko FR-301). They're OK for some small I love my 808. Have used it heavily to re-cap arcade monitor chassis (15+) and all kinds of

desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-12 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 11/12/18 7:24 AM, W2HX via cctalk wrote: > Hot air setup is the next thing. > I was doing some board repair this weekend, and used a mix of Hakko 472 vacuum and hot air equipment. I was having trouble clearing the holes completely with the Hakko so I heated the board with a 1" hot air

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-12 Thread W2HX via cctalk
plus one for the hakko 808. Love it! Never leave home without it! From: cctalk on behalf of Ethan via cctalk Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:34 AM To: Eric Smith; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: VAX 9440 > > Some

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-11 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 8:55 AM Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > It's one thing to replace discrete transistors in our IBM > 1401, but, it's quite another to desolder and yank various little black > rectangles off extremely dense circuit boards without destroying anything > else ... and then

RE: VAX 9440

2018-11-10 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
10 November 2018 18:25 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: VAX 9440 > > LCM has successfully restored and is running multiple large vintage systems. > Not easy, but doable. > > Lee C. > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:55 AM Jim Manl

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-10 Thread Lee Courtney via cctalk
LCM has successfully restored and is running multiple large vintage systems. Not easy, but doable. Lee C. On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:55 AM Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > Evan said it was in service until a couple of months ago, so it should > power up OK, if it could all be electrically and

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-10 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk
Evan said it was in service until a couple of months ago, so it should power up OK, if it could all be electrically and mechanically stitched back together carefully. The question is probably, could they afford the power bill? We have a bunch of Crays and CDCs at the Computer History Museum, and

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-10 Thread Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
That is a behemoth!! Did you ger that huge powerforming thingy that goes with it? Are you crazy enough to atempt a power-up? /P On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 09:55:07PM -0500, Evan Koblentz via cctalk wrote: > The VCF museum took delivery of a VAX 9440 today. > > It arrived in two 28-foot

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-08 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
Outstanding, glad to hear these were saved. Zane > On Nov 8, 2018, at 1:09 AM, Paul Anderson via cctalk > wrote: > > Hi Evan, > > Beautiful catch! Congrats to everyone. > > Paul > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:09 AM Evan Koblentz via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> The VCF

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-08 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
Hi Evan, Beautiful catch! Congrats to everyone. Paul On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:09 AM Evan Koblentz via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The VCF museum took delivery of a VAX 9440 today. > > It arrived in two 28-foot trailers. Here's our forklift driver beginning > to unload the first