Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-31 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 31, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Bob Smith > >> the original UART was designed by DEC, Vince Bastiani was the project >> lead and designer, Gordon Bell was behind the project, and it may have >> been his idea. > > "Computer Engineering: A DEC View

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-31 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Bob Smith > the original UART was designed by DEC, Vince Bastiani was the project > lead and designer, Gordon Bell was behind the project, and it may have > been his idea. "Computer Engineering: A DEC View of Hardware Systems Design" covers this, in a footnote on pg. 73.

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-31 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 4:44 PM, John Forecast via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > Is it possible that the DMX11 was a CSS product? Clearly it is; the Option/Module list (1983 edition, from Bitsavers) says so. It shows the controller and three different 64 port line units, for different signal

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-31 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > From what I can see, the the kmc11 was an M8204 single board which is > different from the 8200 used in the dmc11. I had a DMC11 somewhere. > > From the books, the kmc11 had an "lsi11 on board", 1k of 16 bit ram, 1k

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-30 Thread Rob Doyle via cctalk
On 1/30/2022 2:56 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:43 AM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: From the books, the kmc11 had an "lsi11 on board", 1k of 16 bit ram, 1k of 8 bit data memory a 300ns cycle time, 16 bit microprossor with a 16 bit micro-instruction bus and 8

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-30 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:43 AM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > From the books, the kmc11 had an "lsi11 on board", 1k of 16 bit ram, 1k > of 8 bit data memory a 300ns cycle time, 16 bit microprossor with a 16 > bit micro-instruction bus and 8 bit data path. This is according to the > 1980

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-30 Thread John Forecast via cctalk
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Hm. Looking i see the dj11 had a silo but not dma. > > The only thing I can see that did Async DMA was the COMM-IO-P board. That was > a product in 1980 timeframe, based on the KMC11 processor. With six DZ11's > you have 48

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-30 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Hm. Looking i see the dj11 had a silo but not dma. The only thing I can see that did Async DMA was the COMM-IO-P board. That was a product in 1980 timeframe, based on the KMC11 processor. With six DZ11's you have 48 serial ports in a 9 board configuration. Now for trying to unravel what the

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-30 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Chris Zach > Maybe that is the dhv11. The DH11, DHV11 and DHU11 are all very similar, although not 100.00% program compatible. (The DHQ11 can be set to exactly emulate either the DHV11 or DHU11.) So, all provide DMA output, but not DMA input. Differences with the DH11 include

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-29 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/qbus/EK-DHQ11-UG-002.pdf DHQ11 User Guide, EK-DHQ11-UG.002 The main application of the M3107 DHQ11 is for interactive terminal handling; it can also be used for data concentration and real-time processing. It has two programming modes, DHV11 and DHU11. The

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-29 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Maybe that is the dhv11. Or the dv11 I'll look it up tomorrow On January 29, 2022 5:12:41 PM EST, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > >> On Jan 29, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk >> wrote: >> >>> From: Paul Koning >> >>> DH-11 is unusual in that it has DMA in both directions >> >>

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-29 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 29, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Paul Koning > >> DH-11 is unusual in that it has DMA in both directions > > McNamara's DH11? (I don't know of another DECdevice of that name.) Per: > > >

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-29 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Paul Koning > DH-11 is unusual in that it has DMA in both directions McNamara's DH11? (I don't know of another DECdevice of that name.) Per: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-ODH11-OP-002_DH11_Asynchronous_16-line_Multiplexer_Users_Manual_Sep76.pdf it's DMA on

Re: What was a Terminal Concentration Device in DEC's products?

2022-01-29 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 29, 2022, at 12:28 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Old question: I'm looking through some old reports from 1977 about a failed > DEC project with the DMX11 multiplexer system and there is reference to the > following key items: > > 1) The DMX was designed to handle block