Re: OT: Reflowing GPUs and the fruit company (was Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.)

2019-07-29 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
On 7/28/19 8:33 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote: On 7/28/2019 4:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 7/28/19 1:02 PM, Jerry Weiss via cctalk wrote: This method is not limited to "vintage" components. My MacBook Pro 2011 fails dues to its (famous) problem with the discrete AMD GPU

Re: OT^2: Marketish fever [was: Reflowing GPUs and the fruit company (was Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.)]

2019-07-29 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 09:21:34AM -0400, Ray Arachelian via cctalk wrote: [...] > Overall though I think the $40 I spent to get another 1.8 years out the > machine was worth the trouble - not that it's performant or anything > like that, but because it is the last of its line. Supposedly next

OT: Reflowing GPUs and the fruit company (was Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.)

2019-07-29 Thread Ray Arachelian via cctalk
Yup, I've had this issue too and it does come back every so often. The first time it lasted nearly a year. The second time, it lasted about 9 months. At some point it will fail to work, or I'll wind up actually damaging the chip and then it won't work anymore. Come to think of it, my very first

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-28 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
On 7/28/2019 4:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 7/28/19 1:02 PM, Jerry Weiss via cctalk wrote: >> This method is not limited to "vintage" components. >> >> My MacBook Pro 2011 fails dues to its (famous) problem with the discrete >> AMD GPU connections.   A reflow restores the laptop, but

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-28 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 7/28/19 1:02 PM, Jerry Weiss via cctalk wrote: > This method is not limited to "vintage" components. > > My MacBook Pro 2011 fails dues to its (famous) problem with the discrete > AMD GPU connections.   A reflow restores the laptop, but inevitably I > have repeat the process every few months.

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-28 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
This method is not limited to "vintage" components. My MacBook Pro 2011 fails dues to its (famous) problem with the discrete AMD GPU connections.   A reflow restores the laptop, but inevitably I have repeat the process every few months. Depending on who you believe, the fault is with the A)

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-27 Thread Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
On Wed, 2019-07-24 at 21:24 -0400, Pete Rittwage wrote: I did some lookup on the reflow temperatures for various solder materials because my gut told me 250 degrees is too low to do any good. Turns out this is so. 250 CELCIUS maybe, but Fahrenheit? not.

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-26 Thread ben via cctalk
On 7/25/2019 1:08 PM, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk wrote: Does this mean that, like me scratching a bit at the package to expose enough nub of broken-off pin to get a blob of solder on to hold a new leg made of wire can theoretically be extended to shaving off the top of the package to expose

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-25 Thread dwight via cctalk
Subject: RE: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them. Does this mean that, like me scratching a bit at the package to expose enough nub of broken-off pin to get a blob of solder on to hold a new leg made of wire can theoretically be extended to shaving off the top of the package to expose

RE: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-25 Thread Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
t; Subject: Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them. Message-ID: < byapr01mb5608f4c8a3860c2a7d2bc172a3...@byapr01mb5608.prod.exchangelabs.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "Failure of the POKEY chip were likely bonding wi

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-25 Thread Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
tor 2019-07-25 klockan 05:52 + skrev dwight via cctalk: > Failure of the POKEY chip were likely bonding wire failures. Voltage > stress failures are not likely to self repair. > I would agree, the fix is likely temporary. If chip inside consumer stuff is so prone to this failure, what is the

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-24 Thread dwight via cctalk
as well. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Pete Rittwage via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:24 PM To: Jeffrey S. Worley ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them. On 2019-07-24 13:31

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-24 Thread Pete Rittwage via cctalk
On 2019-07-24 13:31, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk wrote: Yesterday evening, in the process of refurbishing five very badly treated Atari 800 computers I had a hunch and subjected a failed Pokey chip (Atari Part CO12294 Wikki link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POKEY ) to high heat by way of

RE: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-24 Thread William Sudbrink via cctalk
Brent Hilpert wrote: On 2019-Jul-24, at 10:31 AM, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk wrote: >> Yesterday evening, in the process of refurbishing five very badly >> treated Atari 800 computers I had a hunch and subjected a failed Pokey >> chip (Atari Part CO12294 Wikki link

Re: Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-24 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2019-Jul-24, at 10:31 AM, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk wrote: > Yesterday evening, in the process of refurbishing five very badly > treated Atari 800 computers I had a hunch and subjected a failed Pokey > chip (Atari Part CO12294 Wikki link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POKEY >) to high

Resurrecting integrated circuits by cooking them.

2019-07-24 Thread Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
Yesterday evening, in the process of refurbishing five very badly treated Atari 800 computers I had a hunch and subjected a failed Pokey chip (Atari Part CO12294 Wikki link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POKEY ) to high heat by way of the barrel of my soldering iron until saliva evaporated from