Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-27 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> As to what _else_ it is doing, and why it has the cable to the main > card... I think that it must intercept MSYN from the processor and only > let it pass if there's no hit in the cache. > (To explain why it would need to do that... normally with the MS11, > there's a static

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-25 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Mattis Lind > I will take a picture of the boards in more detail so we can figure out > what they are doing later on. Thanks, that would be really useful. > My understanding is that slot 1AB and slot 26 AB is tied to each > other. So if there would be no expansion

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-25 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
> > The sandwiched dual boards are sitting in 27 / 26 AB. The board in > 27AB > > was empty (quick glance), while the board in 26AB has a few TTL chips > > on it. Slot 26AB is the Unibus A slot, Slot 27 AB should be a > > terminator on Unibus B. > > I'm more interested in _what_

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-24 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Mattis Lind > Here is how it is connected: Thanks for that - very informative! > The sandwiched dual boards are sitting in 27 / 26 AB. The board in 27AB > was empty (quick glance), while the board in 26AB has a few TTL chips > on it. Slot 26AB is the Unibus A slot,

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Paul Birkel [mailto:pbir...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:36 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 >

RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
-Original Message- From: Paul Birkel [mailto:pbir...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:36 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 ... >From the ABLE marketing literature: CACHE/ 45 (CACHE BUFFER MEMORY) INSTA

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Chris Quayle via cctalk
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 09:22:25 -0400 (EDT) From: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 Message-ID: <20180722132225.49a0b18c...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > From: Pa

RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mattis Lind via cctalk Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:36 AM To: Noel Chiappa; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 Here is how

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
> > > Studying the MS11 Maint Manual, the MS11 controller has access to the full > address and data from both the CPU (FastBus) and UNIBUS B. (The FastBus > actually has two uni-directional data busses; in and out.) So all that > info, > this hypothetical cache board can get from the slot it is

RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel Chiappa via cctalk Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 2:07 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 - MS11-B Engineering Drawings About

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> We're actually pretty well off, there; we have: > - MS11 Maintenance Manual (DEC-11-HMSAA-D-D) > - MS11 MOS Memory Troubleshooting Guide (DEC-11-HMSTS-A-D) > - MS11-B Engineering Drawings There's also a little bit about the MS11-C (not covered in the documents above) in

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Paul Birkel > Unfortunately there's not much documentation for the MS11. ??? We're actually pretty well off, there; we have: - MS11 Maintenance Manual (DEC-11-HMSAA-D-D) - MS11 MOS Memory Troubleshooting Guide (DEC-11-HMSTS-A-D) - MS11-B Engineering Drawings About all we're

Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
21, 2018 6:54 PM > To: Mattis Lind; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 > > I think it's Applied Computer Technologies, and I think they made cache > and several other options. They were popular back in the day

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Paul Birkel > ABLE Computer Technology. Their first product was PN 10001 ... the > A.C.T. Univerter This board is not shown in any of the Able brochures we have: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/able/brochures/ However, Able info is _very_ thin on the ground, now...

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
s.trailing-edge.com/pdf/able/Able_Univerter_Nov81.pdf > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bob > Smith via cctalk > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:44 PM > To: Mattis Lind; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: R

RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
ic Posts Subject: Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 any identification number sn front or back? can tell from just that shot. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > This board was sitting in slot 21 of the backplane in a 11/45 > > https://i.imgur.com/ZYWZQ

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-21 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
I think it's Applied Computer Technologies, and I think they made cache and several other options. They were popular back in the day. I have a bunch of their boards here. Paul On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > This board was sitting in

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-21 Thread Bob Smith via cctalk
any identification number sn front or back? can tell from just that shot. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > This board was sitting in slot 21 of the backplane in a 11/45 > > https://i.imgur.com/ZYWZQCo.jpg > > What kind of board is this? > > It has 26 bipolar

Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-21 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
This board was sitting in slot 21 of the backplane in a 11/45 https://i.imgur.com/ZYWZQCo.jpg What kind of board is this? It has 26 bipolar RAMS. Fairchild 93415 1kbit SRAM. The manufacturer might be ACT whatever that is. My guess is that it is some kind of cache board? It is connected to