Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-26 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > Been trying to Google things, but not having a lot of luck. I understand > both are white case, both have slimline drives, 12 had no card cage, I > think I read somewhere that the 16 came with 68K std (no

RE: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-26 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Peter Cetinski via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:47 PM To: Jim Brain Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-26 Thread Peter Cetinski via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2017, at 11:46 PM, Alan Hightower via cctalk > wrote: > > Does anyone know if the 16 keyboard circuitry will work with a 16B if I > created a custom cable? Yes, it can work with a wire rearrangement and gender swap on the DIN. See this thread for

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Ed via cctalk
In a message dated 4/25/2017 10:24:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 4/25/17, 7:28 PM, "cctalk on behalf of Jim Brain via cctalk" wrote: >Been trying to Google things, but not having a

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Geoffrey Reed via cctalk
On 4/25/17, 7:52 PM, "cctalk on behalf of Jim Brain via cctalk" wrote: >On 4/25/2017 9:47 PM, Peter Cetinski wrote: >> The 16B released around 1984 is essentially a factory upgraded Model 12 >>with the card cage and the 6Mhz

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Geoffrey Reed via cctalk
On 4/25/17, 8:46 PM, "cctalk on behalf of Alan Hightower via cctalk" wrote: > > >Jim, I'll have a 16B at VCF-SE this weekend. You take as close a look as >you want. It has a single slim 8" drive, an internal 15MB hard disk, and

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Geoffrey Reed via cctalk
On 4/25/17, 7:52 PM, "cctalk on behalf of Jim Brain via cctalk" wrote: >On 4/25/2017 9:47 PM, Peter Cetinski wrote: >> The 16B released around 1984 is essentially a factory upgraded Model 12 >>with the card cage and the 6Mhz

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Geoffrey Reed via cctalk
On 4/25/17, 7:28 PM, "cctalk on behalf of Jim Brain via cctalk" wrote: >Been trying to Google things, but not having a lot of luck. I >understand both are white case, both have slimline drives, 12 had no >card cage, I think I

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Alan Hightower via cctalk
Jim, I'll have a 16B at VCF-SE this weekend. You take as close a look as you want. It has a single slim 8" drive, an internal 15MB hard disk, and an external 5 MB hard disk. It also has the 68K card stack with 768KB RAM. I don't have a keyboard for it though. I bought a 16 keyboard thinking it

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Peter Cetinski via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:52 PM, Jim Brain wrote: > > So, the 16B has the KB conn on the machine, but the KB? > And, the 16B has the Z80 motherboard, witht eh 68K in the cage? 16B keyboard is the same as the 12. Cord is on the KB with a male connector. Female is on the

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 4/25/2017 9:47 PM, Peter Cetinski wrote: The 16B released around 1984 is essentially a factory upgraded Model 12 with the card cage and the 6Mhz MC68000 subsystem consisting of a CPU card and 1 or more 16 bit memory cards. The 16B for a time was the best selling Unix workstation in the

Re: TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Peter Cetinski via cctalk
The Model 16 was introduced in 1982 and was an upgraded Model II with the addition of an MC68000 subsystem that allowed you to run 16bit OSes, like TRSDOS-16, CPM-68K and TRSXENIX 1.x. On all Tandy 68K machines and operating systems the z80 ran in concert with the 68k. The z80 handled all I/O

TRS-80 Model 12 versus 16B

2017-04-25 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
Been trying to Google things, but not having a lot of luck. I understand both are white case, both have slimline drives, 12 had no card cage, I think I read somewhere that the 16 came with 68K std (no Z80?), and 12 had KB conn on case, 16B had KB conn on KB. Beyond that, though, would love