Re: Women of computing

2021-12-06 Thread Scott Quinn via cctalk
On Sun, 2021-12-05 at 12:00 -0600, Brie wrote: > > He may as well have just come out and said, ?It triggers me and I > don?t like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of > computer history.? > > ? Brie Sorry to go off topic, but I have friends and family who are veterans or otherw

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Mike Begley via cctalk wrote: > Yeah, "woke" is one of those terms, like "PC", that immediately signals > that the speaker can immediately be dismissed out of hand as having nothing > worthwhile to say. > Especially in the context of historic computing. We aren't s

RE: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread Mike Begley via cctalk
Ugggh, as soon as I saw this conversation I new it was going to be a race to the bottom. Actually, it was far less worse than I expected, so progress, perhaps? I've been frustrated by the lack of women in the industry, because there's no rational reason for it and it feels like we're wasting h

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Sun, 5 Dec 2021, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This is a bad way to behave. Nobody should act like that. It violates Wheaton's Law, which is a basic principle of how to be a civilised human being. For those unfamiliar, Weaton's Law: "Don't be a dick." "OK, Boomer" is just a succinct and

RE: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Sat, 4 Dec 2021, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: I accept that far less women than men work in computing. I believe however that this is large due to their own perception of the industry and their career choices. It's not "perception". It's the rampant sexual harassment, "dudebro" culture,

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
om: cctalk On Behalf Of Liam Proven via > cctalk > Sent: 05 December 2021 15:17 > To: Doc Shipley ; General Discussion: On-Topic and > Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Women of Computing > > On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 16:09, Doc Shipley via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On

RE: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
expresses any alternative view is behaving unacceptably? Talk about snowflakes. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Liam Proven via cctalk Sent: 05 December 2021 15:17 To: Doc Shipley ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Women of Computing On Sun, 5 Dec

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:57 AM Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > Talk about snowflakes. > Can we please bring this whole tiresome political theater to an end? If you are replying and thinking of using phrases from the current culture war. Don't. They are off topic here. Please Just Don't. Warner

RE: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread Chris Long via cctalk
expresses any alternative view is behaving unacceptably? Talk about snowflakes. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Liam Proven via cctalk Sent: 05 December 2021 15:17 To: Doc Shipley ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Women of Computing On Sun, 5 Dec

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
Can we please return to discussions of actual classic computers, before our long-suffering list host shuts the list down _again_ for this sort of argument, this time perhaps forever? Thank you. Noel

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 16:09, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote: > > On 12/4/21 12:37, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > > > > OK, Boomer. > > > There's really no call to be nasty about it. > > To those of us who are baby boomers, that usage is extremely offensive. I suspect that was the plan. Chris Lon

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread Doc Shipley via cctalk
On 12/4/21 12:37, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: OK, Boomer. There's really no call to be nasty about it. To those of us who are baby boomers, that usage is extremely offensive. Doc

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-05 Thread Christian Liendo via cctalk
I actually created an account to support this but I think it already has enough votes to get it made. I ended up giving private feedback. I like vintage computing legos and I have a few of Chris McVeigh's sets before he went to work for LEGO. I would like to see these sets get made. These sets we

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
Yea Lego is finicky with lugs Mostly for access to the lug bulk though no? On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 5:53 p.m. Alan Perry via cctalk, < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I was just now catching up with my LEGO Ideas e-mail (I went through my > cctech mail first :) and see that the Women

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
I was just now catching up with my LEGO Ideas e-mail (I went through my cctech mail first :) and see that the Women of Computing set was put together and proposed by the same woman who did the Women of NASA set. As far as my wife, she is active in two local LEGO user groups and was the one

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:55 PM, newsgro...@micromuseum.co.uk wrote: > >> > >> On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role > - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. > >> > >> -Original Message-----

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
gt; "geeky" and several of them are married men who do work in IT. > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Toby Thain via > cctalk > Sent: 04 December 2021 22:24 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org>

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
role - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via cctalk Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Women of Computing Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a grea

RE: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Chris Long via cctalk
en who do work in IT. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Toby Thain via cctalk Sent: 04 December 2021 22:24 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Women of Computing On 2021-12-04 2:55 p.m., Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > On the contrary I conside

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
s Subject: Re: Women of Computing Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like having to acknowledge that w

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 06:20:33PM -, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > Great.not. > > Why do we need woke Lego? To annoy people who use dogwhistles.

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
k On Behalf Of Zane Healy via > cctalk > Sent: 03 December 2021 17:35 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Women of Computing > > I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace” > and “Ad

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Brielle via cctalk
gt; the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via cctalk > Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Women of Computing > > Using the t

RE: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Chris Long via cctalk
: Re: Women of Computing Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like having to acknowledge that women exist in

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Brielle via cctalk
Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer h

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Jason Howe via cctalk
nt: 03 December 2021 17:35 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Women of Computing I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace” and “Admiral Hopper” portions of the set. https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/pos

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 10:20 AM Chris Long via cctalk wrote: Great.not. Why do we need woke Lego? Excellent use of compression on the list: a question that contains its own answer :-) Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I really want to see this set produced, especially for the ???Ada Lovelace??? and ???Admiral Hopper??? portions of the set. https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Seth Morabito via cctalk
On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > The correct answer is women and men in computing within some sort of > historical context so that it does not seem like the fact that a person > happens to be a woman that they're being featured rather than due to their > actual acco

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
cctalk On Behalf Of Zane Healy via > > cctalk > > Sent: 03 December 2021 17:35 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > Subject: Women of Computing > > > > I really want to see this set produced,

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
ion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Women of Computing > > I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace” > and “Admiral Hopper” portions of the set. > > > https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9d

RE: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Chris Long via cctalk
Great.not. Why do we need woke Lego? -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Zane Healy via cctalk Sent: 03 December 2021 17:35 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Women of Computing I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada

Women of Computing

2021-12-03 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace” and “Admiral Hopper” portions of the set. https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2739e Za