Re: HP 2000 / 2100 emulator

2018-09-12 Thread J. David Bryan via cctalk 
On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 21:01, Comcast via cctalk wrote:

> It´s possible to run hp2000 access (or earlier versions) using simh.
>
> You´d just need an interface for your teletypes.

Specifically, SIMH's HP2100 simulator will run HP 2000E, F, and Access
Time-Shared BASIC with external terminals connected via the host machine's
serial ports, and a current-loop-to-RS-232 adapter would permit connection
to the Teletype.

  -- Dave

Re: HP 2000 / 2100 emulator

2018-09-12 Thread Comcast via cctalk 
It’s possible to run hp2000 access (or earlier versions) using simh.

You’d just need an interface for your teletypes.

-Bob

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Pete Lancashire via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here's what I'd like to do. I have both a teletype 33 and 35. What would be
> fun is the foot in the pedestal a emulator that lets me pretend I am
> logging into a 2000 or 2100 and I can do basic and save files. One of those
> files being what I think was called to Star Wars or something like that.
> Basically replay my youth on a 35 which I had access to before 33.

HP 2000 / 2100 emulator

2018-09-12 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk 
Here's what I'd like to do. I have both a teletype 33 and 35. What would be
fun is the foot in the pedestal a emulator that lets me pretend I am
logging into a 2000 or 2100 and I can do basic and save files. One of those
files being what I think was called to Star Wars or something like that.
Basically replay my youth on a 35 which I had access to before 33.

Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread allison via cctalk 
On 09/12/2018 06:03 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> On 9/12/2018 10:59 AM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk wrote:
>> Guys,
>>
>> See these photos:
>>
>> https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35682272_10216634445119982_2
>>
>> 53889771863015424_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=74459af2e9232dd433046b2a9d43dedd=5BC
>>
>> F55A0
>>
>> and
>>
>> https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36244235_10216691120256825_4
>>
>> 287682979926376448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=e8ab72feb9eb1cf311c7ef0546318e44=5C
>>
>> 1358C6
>>
> Found in a 1965 manufacturer's volume on Bitsavers.  Used Kelly
> Leavitt's reference.  looks like they
> had some products up thru 1974,  but dropped this most likely.
>
> This system of products would have been competitive with the DEC Flip
> Chip concept of the early 60s,
> and there were a lot of players.  (see others in the 1965
> manufacturers reference).
>
> This shows reference info, category, and page it was located in the
> PDF / document.
>
> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/computersAndAutomation/196506.pdf
>
>
>
> Roster of Organizations:
>
> Control Logic, Inc., 3 Strathmore Rd., Natick, Mass
>   01762 / 617-655-1170 / *C 65
>    Welded digital circuit modules; data and con-
>    trol systems; digital training systems / S 70
>    / E 1961
> page 15 (of document and pdf
>
> C11. CIRCUITS, LOGICAL (FOR DIGITAL COMPUTERS)
>
> Control Logic, Inc., 3 Strathmore
>   Rd., Natick, Mass. 01762 /
>   digital circuit cards and
>   welded modules / DESCR: welded
>   encapsulated digital circuit
>   modules, open circuit and
>   module cards. Germanium and
>   silicon circuits, DC to 50 MC
>   / - / $5.50 per flipflop to
>   $90 per flipflop / Cll
>
> page 30
>
> C24. COMPUTERS, DIGITAL
>   see C24A
>
> page 32
>
> C24A. COMPUTERS, SPECIAL PURPOSE
>
> Control Logic, Inc., 3 Strathmore
>   Rd., Natick, Mass. 01762 /
>   digital systems / DESCR: special
>   purpose digital data handling,
>   measurement and control systems
>   /-/-/ C24A
>
> page 33
>
> C26. COMPUTER COMPONENTS
>    see C24A
>
> page 33
>
> C30. CONSULTING SERVICES (see also
>  "Survey of Consulting Services")
>    see C24A
>
> page 34
>
> C31. CONTROLS
>    see C24A
>
> page 35
>
> C33. CONTROLS, SIGNALLING
>    see C24A
>
>   page 35
>
> C34. CONTROLS, SORTING AND COUNTING
>    see C24A
>
> page 35
>
> C39. CONVERTERS, INFORMATION
>    see C24A
>
> page 36
>
> C53. COUNTERS
>    see C24A
>
> page 36
>
> El. EDUCATION
>    see C24A
>
> page 38
>
> G2. GENERATORS, FUNCTION, ELECTRONIC
>    see C24A
>
> page 39
>
> P2. PANELS, JACK
>     see C24A
>
> page 40
>
> Rll. REGISTERS, SHIFT
>
> Control Logic, Inc. --see Cll
>   and C24A
>
> page 43
>
>
>
> COMPUTERS and AUTOMATION for JUNE, 1965 

Small world,

Built a 8008 system for a company I was with back in early 74 using
their board set
and backplane. 

Allison

Kennedy 9610 Available at VCFMW.

2018-09-12 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk 
Please contact me off list.

Thanks, Paul

Re: Apollo, TEK

2018-09-12 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk 
Another Apollo boardpaer # 7790

Looks like it was made by INTERPHASE WNC 5190

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:40 AM, Paul Anderson  wrote:

> Apollo motherboard dated 1988 013034
>
> Apollo 008231 memory board
>
>  Apollo 0121173-001 with daughter board high res color  display board
>
> Tektronix 46UTXGC1006  3 button mouse, Logictech # is 119-18098-00
>
> Can ship or drop off at VCRMW.
>
> I'm starting to get organized!!!
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>

Re: Portable terminals

2018-09-12 Thread Frank McConnell via cctalk 
On Sep 10, 2018, at 12:18, Al Kossow wrote:
> As sad as it sounds, I'm thinking now it may make sense to gut the 
> electronics and just use the case, lcd
> and kb to make a dumb terminal. At least then you don't have to screw around 
> with serial dongles.

This makes me wonder how much serial dongle you’re willing to screw around with.

2001’s Toshiba laptop with Windows Me (Harder) came with no serial ports except 
the USB kind (in spite of the specifications given on the seller’s web page).  
It did have two PCMCIA slots in which I installed PCMCIA serial cards.  Yes, 
two, I sometimes used it as a pass-through monitor for SLIP/PPP traffic.

I like the HP 200LX for portable serial terminal purposes, and have never 
stretched the built-in Datacomm app’s VT100 emulation to the point of noticing 
incorrect emulation.  But it meant having to carry at least the peculiar cable 
that brought its port out to DE9S (suitable for connection to PC/AT serial 
port), and probably a couple DE9P-to-DB25 adapters (for “printer” and “modem”), 
and maybe a breakout box too.

I liked the 100LX too.  Similar hardware and software.  I cannot recall any 
improvements to the Datacomm app in the 200LX.

The 95LX has two problems.  It’s basically a three-wire serial interface with 
no hardware flow control.  And it is designed to run on battery power, and it 
shows sometimes.  I had trouble getting it to work with a Telebit Qblazer (also 
battery-powered) until I got out the soldering iron and made up a single 
adapter to go between the two instead of a chain or two or three adapters.  One 
side or the other or maybe both just didn’t have enough oomph to punch through 
all those connectors.

-Frank McConnell

Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread jim stephens via cctalk 




On 9/12/2018 10:59 AM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk wrote:

Guys,

See these photos:

https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35682272_10216634445119982_2
53889771863015424_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=74459af2e9232dd433046b2a9d43dedd=5BC
F55A0

and

https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36244235_10216691120256825_4
287682979926376448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=e8ab72feb9eb1cf311c7ef0546318e44=5C
1358C6

Found in a 1965 manufacturer's volume on Bitsavers.  Used Kelly 
Leavitt's reference.  looks like they

had some products up thru 1974,  but dropped this most likely.

This system of products would have been competitive with the DEC Flip 
Chip concept of the early 60s,
and there were a lot of players.  (see others in the 1965 manufacturers 
reference).


This shows reference info, category, and page it was located in the PDF 
/ document.


http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/computersAndAutomation/196506.pdf



Roster of Organizations:

Control Logic, Inc., 3 Strathmore Rd., Natick, Mass
  01762 / 617-655-1170 / *C 65
   Welded digital circuit modules; data and con-
   trol systems; digital training systems / S 70
   / E 1961
page 15 (of document and pdf

C11. CIRCUITS, LOGICAL (FOR DIGITAL COMPUTERS)

Control Logic, Inc., 3 Strathmore
  Rd., Natick, Mass. 01762 /
  digital circuit cards and
  welded modules / DESCR: welded
  encapsulated digital circuit
  modules, open circuit and
  module cards. Germanium and
  silicon circuits, DC to 50 MC
  / - / $5.50 per flipflop to
  $90 per flipflop / Cll

page 30

C24. COMPUTERS, DIGITAL
  see C24A

page 32

C24A. COMPUTERS, SPECIAL PURPOSE

Control Logic, Inc., 3 Strathmore
  Rd., Natick, Mass. 01762 /
  digital systems / DESCR: special
  purpose digital data handling,
  measurement and control systems
  /-/-/ C24A

page 33

C26. COMPUTER COMPONENTS
   see C24A

page 33

C30. CONSULTING SERVICES (see also
 "Survey of Consulting Services")
   see C24A

page 34

C31. CONTROLS
   see C24A

page 35

C33. CONTROLS, SIGNALLING
   see C24A

  page 35

C34. CONTROLS, SORTING AND COUNTING
   see C24A

page 35

C39. CONVERTERS, INFORMATION
   see C24A

page 36

C53. COUNTERS
   see C24A

page 36

El. EDUCATION
   see C24A

page 38

G2. GENERATORS, FUNCTION, ELECTRONIC
   see C24A

page 39

P2. PANELS, JACK
    see C24A

page 40

Rll. REGISTERS, SHIFT

Control Logic, Inc. --see Cll
  and C24A

page 43



COMPUTERS and AUTOMATION for JUNE, 1965

Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread Kyle Owen via cctalk 
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 23:03 Kelly Leavitt via cctalk 
wrote:

> Is that a Control Logic logo? page 3-34 of this document:
>
>
> https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/05/155/5155759.pdf


Nice work, detective! Even has the same model number prefix on the card.

Kyle

>
>

Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread Kelly Leavitt via cctalk 
Is that a Control Logic logo? page 3-34 of this document:

https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/05/155/5155759.pdf




From: cctech  on behalf of Peter Van Peborgh via 
cctech 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:59 PM
To: cct...@classiccmp.org
Subject: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

Guys,

See these photos:

https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35682272_10216634445119982_2
53889771863015424_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=74459af2e9232dd433046b2a9d43dedd=5BC
F55A0

and

https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36244235_10216691120256825_4
287682979926376448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=e8ab72feb9eb1cf311c7ef0546318e44=5C
1358C6

The photos are of a board I recently obtained for my collection. I've not,
to date, been able to discover who the manufacturers were. It almost
certainly US, The chips are week 27 of 1970, NAND gates.

Can anyone help?

Many thanks,
peter


|| |  |   || |  |   ||
Peter Van Peborgh
62 St Mary's Rise
Writhlington  Radstock
SomersetBA3 3PD
UK
01761 439 234
|| |  |   || |  |   ||

Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk 



> On Sep 12, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Norman Jaffe via cctech  
> wrote:
> 
> The presence of the words 'NAND GATES' imply that this was part of some 
> educational kit for logic training, rather than a part of a system. 

Could be.  Then again, in the early days simple logic functions were packaged 
as modules one could buy and plug into connectors to build larger systems.  
DEC's early logic module products are an example.  And I remember in Holland 
seeing similar stuff, small circuit boards with transistors encased in gray 
plastic cases, with a 10 or so pin plug at the bottom.  These might contain a 
couple of 2-input NAND gates, or similarly simple elements.  And they would be 
labelled accordingly.

The fact that the board has tin rather than gold plated fingers does support 
the "educational kit" notion; something intended for serious commercial use 
would be expected to have more reliable connectors.

paul

Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread dwight via cctalk 
See 946 fairchild for pinout.

Dwight



From: cctech  on behalf of Chuck Guzis via 
cctech 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:39:44 PM
To: Peter Van Peborgh via cctech
Subject: Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

I suspect that it's from a trainer of some sort.


Stewart-Warner quad 2-input NAND DTL stuff.  So probably not RCA.


--Chuck

Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk 
I suspect that it's from a trainer of some sort.


Stewart-Warner quad 2-input NAND DTL stuff.  So probably not RCA.


--Chuck

Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread Norman Jaffe via cctalk 
The presence of the words 'NAND GATES' imply that this was part of some 
educational kit for logic training, rather than a part of a system. 

From: "General Discussion"  
To: pe...@vanpeborgh.eu, "General Discussion"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:30:42 AM 
Subject: Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again 

RCA made boards of this color and size, but not an exact match. Same 
number of pins, similar blue. Not claiming it's RCA, but it's the 
closest thing I have. 
Here is one from a 1974ish COSMAC Microkit: 
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/rca/COSMAC/RCA_GFA-3901808_front.jpg 

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:59 PM Peter Van Peborgh via cctech < 
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: 

> Guys, 
> 
> See these photos: 
> 
> 
> https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35682272_10216634445119982_2 
> 
> 53889771863015424_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=74459af2e9232dd433046b2a9d43dedd=5BC 
> F55A0 
> 
>  
> 
> and 
> 
> 
> https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36244235_10216691120256825_4 
> 
> 287682979926376448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=e8ab72feb9eb1cf311c7ef0546318e44=5C 
> 1358C6 
> 
>  
> 
> The photos are of a board I recently obtained for my collection. I've not, 
> to date, been able to discover who the manufacturers were. It almost 
> certainly US, The chips are week 27 of 1970, NAND gates. 
> 
> Can anyone help? 
> 
> Many thanks, 
> peter 
> 
> 
> || | | | | | | | | 
> Peter Van Peborgh 
> 62 St Mary's Rise 
> Writhlington Radstock 
> Somerset BA3 3PD 
> UK 
> 01761 439 234 
> || | | | | | | | | 
> 
> 
>

Re: Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk 
RCA made boards of this color and size, but not an exact match.  Same
number of pins, similar blue.Not claiming it's RCA, but it's the
closest thing I have.
Here is one from a 1974ish COSMAC Microkit:
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/rca/COSMAC/RCA_GFA-3901808_front.jpg

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:59 PM Peter Van Peborgh via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> See these photos:
>
>
> https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35682272_10216634445119982_2
>
> 53889771863015424_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=74459af2e9232dd433046b2a9d43dedd=5BC
> F55A0
> 
>
> and
>
>
> https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36244235_10216691120256825_4
>
> 287682979926376448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=e8ab72feb9eb1cf311c7ef0546318e44=5C
> 1358C6
> 
>
> The photos are of a board I recently obtained for my collection. I've not,
> to date, been able to discover who the manufacturers were. It almost
> certainly US, The chips are week 27 of 1970, NAND gates.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Many thanks,
> peter
>
>
> || |  |   || |  |   ||
> Peter Van Peborgh
> 62 St Mary's Rise
> Writhlington  Radstock
> SomersetBA3 3PD
> UK
> 01761 439 234
> || |  |   || |  |   ||
>
>
>

Unknown US manufacturer - try again

2018-09-12 Thread Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk 
Guys,

See these photos:

https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35682272_10216634445119982_2
53889771863015424_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=74459af2e9232dd433046b2a9d43dedd=5BC
F55A0

and

https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36244235_10216691120256825_4
287682979926376448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0=e8ab72feb9eb1cf311c7ef0546318e44=5C
1358C6

The photos are of a board I recently obtained for my collection. I've not,
to date, been able to discover who the manufacturers were. It almost
certainly US, The chips are week 27 of 1970, NAND gates.

Can anyone help?

Many thanks,
peter


|| |  |   || |  |   ||
Peter Van Peborgh
62 St Mary's Rise
Writhlington  Radstock
SomersetBA3 3PD
UK
01761 439 234
|| |  |   || |  |   ||

Re: Portable terminals

2018-09-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk 
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 11:09, Huw Davies via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> I think if I was in need of a portable vt100 terminal I’d use either my 
> Raspad 
> (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/35410622/raspad-raspberry-pi-tablet-for-your-creative-proje/posts)
>  for full out Geek mode or (far more reliable) a small Chromebook as long as 
> I can get a serial to USB adapter to work. Chromebooks have long battery life 
> and are reasonably cheap. Also come in various sizes (my current one is a 15” 
> as I need a large screen to see things…).

All true, but not pocket-sized. It's the pocketability which is why I
bought a Gemini. It's as pocket-friendly as a phone, but with a real
keyboard I can touch-type on. Even entering a Tweet or a text message
on a tablet is infuriating to me. I need to correct every other word,
at best, and no amount of auto-correction can punctuate correctly.

TBH I would not even _try_ a remote terminal session over a
touchscreen device -- touchscreens are *way* too infuriating to type
on, for me. They're so horrendously inaccurate I wouldn't dare to try
entering commands or anything else important.

-- 
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Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com
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Re: Portable terminals

2018-09-12 Thread Huw Davies via cctalk 



> On 11 Sep 2018, at 18:23, Liam Proven via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 21:02, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
> 
>> p.s. The caveat is of course if you get something like the Gemini. That 
>> looks like a very nice machine but at 599 British pounds I rather get a Sony 
>> UX series and have a real PC or the HP LX200. The key, at least for me, is 
>> finding a no name Android tablet w/ the basics that runs Android 7 or above 
>> at that $50 to $75 price point.
> 
> Oh, yes, for a terminal emulator, it's total overkill.
> 

I think if I was in need of a portable vt100 terminal I’d use either my Raspad 
(https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/35410622/raspad-raspberry-pi-tablet-for-your-creative-proje/posts)
 for full out Geek mode or (far more reliable) a small Chromebook as long as I 
can get a serial to USB adapter to work. Chromebooks have long battery life and 
are reasonably cheap. Also come in various sizes (my current one is a 15” as I 
need a large screen to see things…).

Huw Davies   | e-mail: huw.dav...@kerberos.davies.net.au
Melbourne| "If soccer was meant to be played in the
Australia| air, the sky would be painted green"

Re: AlphaWindows - Protocol Information?

2018-09-12 Thread Martin Hepperle via cctalk 
Brian,

thank you very much for the scans. The scan is very nice and the document
looks very interesting.

I would like to make some experiments to learn how the system works, but
first I have to obtain the missing keyboard for my HP 700 terminal.
Just replaced the line filter capacitors to avoid the
WIMA-RIFA-sound-n-smell (TM).
I have also read out the EPROMs with the operating system and sent them to
bitsavers if they want to archive them.

Martin
(Germany)

> -Original Message-
> ...
>3. Re: AlphaWindows - Protocol Information? (Brian L. Stuart)
> ...
> --
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:06:59 + (UTC)
> From: "Brian L. Stuart" 
> To: , Al Kossow 
> Subject: Re: AlphaWindows - Protocol Information?
> Message-ID: <651900294.1493946.1536602819...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> On Wed, 9/5/18, Al Kossow via cctalk  wrote:
> > Martin and I thank you!
> 
> Al and Martin,
> I've run the standard though our fancy copier
> at the office and had it scan at 400dpi, bilevel
> directly to PDF.  A quick look with xpdf seems
> to be a pretty decent scan.  I've put it up here:
> 
> http://cs.drexel.edu/~bls96/alphawindows.pdf
> 
> I also had a sales slick from ADDS for their
> 4000/AWT terminal that supported AlphaWindows.
> I went ahead and scanned that one in color:
> 
> http://cs.drexel.edu/~bls96/adds_4000awt.pdf
> 
> Hope that helps,
> BLS
> 
> 
> --

Apollo, TEK

2018-09-12 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk 
Apollo motherboard dated 1988 013034

Apollo 008231 memory board

 Apollo 0121173-001 with daughter board high res color  display board

Tektronix 46UTXGC1006  3 button mouse, Logictech # is 119-18098-00

Can ship or drop off at VCRMW.

I'm starting to get organized!!!

Thanks, Paul

Re: HP 9845A Computer

2018-09-12 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk 

On Tue, 11 Sep 2018, Marlene Klein wrote:

We have an HP 9845A computer (1977) in working condition.
Can we post it on your site?


That sounds illogical. How do you want to electronically post a physical 
object? ;-) And what site anyway? This is a mailing list.


Christian