Dave Wade wrote:
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan
> > via cctalk
> > Sent: 18 June 2020 08:22
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> >
> > Subject: RE: Future of cctalk/cctech
> >
> > ED SHARPE wrote:
> > > Use modern email
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 11:10, ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Dave -- I suppose the solve is to write it out long hand as in
> One Dollar One Cent One Pound...
Dear hypothetical deities, no. That causes problems with translation,
people not knowing the name of another country's
On 2020-06-18 6:06 a.m., Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC19V cable
which seem to
Sorry guys about the unusable tera-URLs.
To reiterate, I have acquired this board and have trouble assigning it to a
particular computer manufacturer and type:
Try this for the photos:
https://tinyurl.com/ydxnzh9g
and
https://tinyurl.com/yb6z3utv
Smells of (early) 1960s transistorized.
No
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 10:42, Dave Wade via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I wrote this as one dollar => $1.00
Dollar symbol, one
> This as one pound => $1
Dollar symbol, 1
> And this as one euro => €1
Euro symbol, one
> Lastly one cent => ¢1
Cent symbol, one
Fascinating.
--
Liam Proven – Profile:
Nope, those tiny urls still refer to URLs that we can’t open. As was suggested
before, these URLs are probably specific to your browser session.
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctech
> wrote:
>
> Sorry guys about the unusable tera-URLs.
>
> To reiterate, I have
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 09:42:16AM +0100, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> I wrote this as one dollar => $1.00
> This as one pound => $1
> And this as one euro => €1
> Lastly one cent => ¢1
This came over the wire as follows:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
On 18/06/2020 10:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC19V cable
which seem to be
On Wed, 2020-06-17 16:44:26 -0400, Diane Bruce via cctalk
wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:41:39PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
> > > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> > >
> > > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
> >
> >
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
ED SHARPE wrote:
Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and graphics it
is a brand new world ! I love old hardware to look at but if
communicating I like the ability to see graphical things... and I
think tell
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 4:03 AM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Peter Coghlan wrote:
>> Does anyone use ASCII anymore?
>
> I read and write my email with Emacs running in a terminal emulator.
> I rarely need anything beoynd codepoint 126.
I vote we move the list to an Exchange server
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
> DB-23 to SCART cables were (and still are) readily-available from anywhere
> that
> has anything to do with the Amiga. Sometimes they had sawn-down DB-25 plugs
> since DB-23 wasn't exactly a common connector even in the Amiga's heyday.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 09:46:53AM -0500, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
>
> I'm most puzzled by the eager hosting volunteers who'd volunteer even before
> they have a full understanding of the job. Wouldn't you want to know
> how much time it might take you to administer the list, how much
>
Antonio Carlini wrote:
On 18/06/2020 10:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
>
> To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
> serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
> interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> However, Peter uses PMDF MAIL to post to the list because it has been
> pointed out to him that VMS MAIL doesn't do References: and In-Reply-To:
> headers correctly. On that note, has anyone heard from Mouse? I haven't
> seen anything
The period of me making decisions about the list is coming to an end, but based
on all the posts I just caught up with here's some thoughts:
I would be predisposed to handing it to someone that intends to continue the
mailing list format. We already have a very active discord group (which works
On 6/18/20 6:06 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> and I also have two Nokia DS 60100 baseband modems, one with a V.35
> interface card and one with an X.21 interface card. When I hook up the
> former with the BC19F cable, I can get the lights on the modem to react
> when I try to access
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> As I mentioned in another reply, I have a pair of baseband synchronous modems
> and were it not for a speed incompatibility between them and the MicroVAX
> synchronous serial interfaces I have access to, ...
I'm
Al wrote:
>With Jay retiring, what are the hosting plans for these mailing lists?
Well at least for me, there's more to it than that
I retired from general work on 4/30/20. My consulting firm is going to be kept
open on paper for a few years at least but I doubt I will be transacting much
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:48 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> > wrote:
> > As I mentioned in another reply, I have a pair of baseband synchronous
> > modems
> > and were it not for a speed incompatibility between them and the MicroVAX
On 6/18/20 11:55 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
> We used to run our sync serial stuff between 9600 and 56kbps, both our
> own Bisync products, and DDCMP over interfaces like the one that's
> part of the DMF32. We had customers in Europe running our products at
> 64kbps with no problems, and
On 6/18/20 4:18 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote:
> I have been "hunting" for a PLATO V terminal for some time. It was made by
> Regency - Carroll.
>
> If there is such a terminal gathering dust in a shed or garage and the
> owner would like to find a good home for it then please let me know.
>
>
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:53 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
wrote:
> To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
> serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
> interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC19V cable
>
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:42 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
wrote:
> Thanks for your reply Paul. My eventual goal is to be able to use the
> synchronous serial interface on a MicroVAX to connect to IBM machines that
> only support bisync lines.
I'm curious which software package you are using. In
On 18/06/2020 21:31, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I did see something vaguely similar. Bell 202 modems are 1200 baud FSK, so on
a voice channel they normally are 1200 bps half duplex. They can also be
hooked up to 4-wire fixed circuits. But they have a reverse channel, good for
150 baud
On 18/06/2020 23:03, Eric Korpela via cctalk wrote:
I used to use netcat, but now I just watch an oscilloscope.
Reminds me of a cartoon in a HiFi mag several years ago. Enthusiast
talking to friend in front of dual 'scopes, "Why listen to it when I can
see it's perfect?"
--
Pete
Pete
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
>> Anyway, this whole line of attack is fairly academic as the modems can
>> only do 48kbps - 160kbps and the maximum for the DSH/T32 seems to be
>> 19200bps.
>>
>
> I'd be surprised if they don't work at up to 56k
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 6/18/20 1:19 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>>
>
>> Nice. Yes, airfight and any number of other multi-user games -- a
>> thing made popular by PLATO and possibly originated there. There is
>> a running PLATO system around, see
Remember buying boards like that at electronics surplus places in
late 60's but never knew where they came from. Just used them as a
cheap source of parts. Also suspect the black boxes are pulse
transformers although all of the pulse transformers I pulled off
boards were circular. Never
Sometimes I'll log into alembic and read my mail with BABYL.
On 6/18/2020 6:03 PM, Eric Korpela via cctalk wrote:
I used to use netcat, but now I just watch an oscilloscope.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:41 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
I read this list on PINE,
On 6/18/20 2:55 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> Ethan Dicks wrote:
> I can rustle up +/-12V with a bench supply or two but I don't have a
> 1488 handy. I should be able to borrow a MAX232 from something though.
> I don't have any baud rate generators lying around either. How about a
> 555
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> I can rustle up +/-12V with a bench supply or two but I don't have a
> 1488 handy. I should be able to borrow a MAX232 from something though.
> I don't have any baud rate generators lying around either. How about a
Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:42 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply Paul. My eventual goal is to be able to use the
> > synchronous serial interface on a MicroVAX to connect to IBM machines that
> > only support bisync lines.
>
> I'm curious which
On 2020-06-18 3:34 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 6/18/20 6:06 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
and I also have two Nokia DS 60100 baseband modems, one with a V.35
interface card and one with an X.21 interface card. When I hook up the
former with the BC19F cable, I can get the
On 06/18/2020 03:14 PM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctech wrote:
* "C NT OL DATA" on side B (solder traces).
Sure looks like Control Data, a major manufacturer of
mainframe computers in the 60's and 70's.
And, being all discrete transistors, that would likely be
late 60's.
Jon
Paul Koning wrote:
>
> > On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk >
> > ...
> > As I mentioned in another reply, I have a pair of baseband synchronous mode
> > and were it not for a speed incompatibility between them and the MicroVAX
> > synchronous serial interfaces I have access
On 6/18/20 1:19 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> Nice. Yes, airfight and any number of other multi-user games -- a
> thing made popular by PLATO and possibly originated there. There is
> a running PLATO system around, see www.cyber1.org for details. Its
> users normally use a terminal emulators,
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 6/18/20 4:18 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote:
>> I have been "hunting" for a PLATO V terminal for some time. It was made by
>> Regency - Carroll.
>>
>> If there is such a terminal gathering dust in a shed or garage and
On 6/18/2020 6:33 AM, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk wrote:
Indeed. I get quite a lot of emails and mutt allows me to properly
fight back.
err Mutt bites back.
I use whats free.
Ben.
On 06/18/2020 03:14 PM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctech wrote:
Big transistors are Motorola "180376008".
Those would be "house numbers" in the customer's part
numbering system.
Also, any ideas what the "246 636
B" boxes are, they have four legs?
Most likely pulse transformers. This might be a
OK, now here are some pics that should be available to everybody. I hope.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/h64tye8ecmPHQfJD7
Smells of (early) 1960s transistorized.
No helpful marking apart from
* "GATE JJ01" on SIDE A. (components).
* "C NT OL DATA" on side B (solder traces).
Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:53 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> wrote:
> > To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
> > serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
> > interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D
I have been "hunting" for a PLATO V terminal for some time. It was made by
Regency - Carroll.
If there is such a terminal gathering dust in a shed or garage and the
owner would like to find a good home for it then please let me know.
I have successfully restored a Control Data Corp IST-3
Paul Berger wrote:
On 2020-06-18 6:06 a.m., Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous
> serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe)
> interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> On 6/18/20 11:55 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
>
> > We used to run our sync serial stuff between 9600 and 56kbps, both our
> > own Bisync products, and DDCMP over interfaces like the one that's
> > part of the DMF32...
>
> My
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>> On 6/18/20 11:55 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> We used to run our sync serial stuff between 9600 and 56kbps, both our
>>> own Bisync products,
On 18/06/2020 14:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
I have found the whole thing very confusing too. My suspicion was also
that they were pretty much the same thing but the DST32 had exernal
connectors suitable for mounting in a MicroVAX 2000 while the DST32 had
external connectors that could
I used to use netcat, but now I just watch an oscilloscope.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:41 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP.
> >
> > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D
>
>
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:08 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk
wrote:
> Ethan Dicks wrote:
> > As for the clocking, yes, a modem or modem eliminator provides the
> > baud rate clocking on pins 15 and 17. You could use any one of a
> > number of baud rate generators...
> I can rustle up +/-12V with a
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:47 AM geneb via cctalk
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
>
> > ED SHARPE wrote:
> >> Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and graphics
> it
> >> is a brand new world !I love old hardware to look at but if
> >>
Tony Aiuto wrote
>It's time to adopt a platform that can handle modern mail.
>Some may still choose a degraded experience, but everyone is entitled to their
>own fetish.
Yes, everyone is free to chose to use the list or the discord server or
whatever is down the road years from now; but as
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:01 AM Peter Corlett via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:50:20PM +0100, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:
> [...]
> > Easy, pictures of unidentified components, sending out schematics that
> have
> > been reverse engineered, documentation,
that relationship has become quite difficult lately. So much so, that I'm ready
to just turn it off and walk away. I'm sorry, but I have reached the point in
my life where that stress outweighs the benefits.
Throw in to the mix that for whatever reason - while I have dutifully taken care
Hi Peter,
That is a stunning board, and in beautiful condition.
The square cubes are transformers, most likely some sort of pulse
transformer on the base of the transistor.
A multimeter will tell you in quick form.
Doug
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
em: d...@doughq.com
ph: 0414 986878
Hi,
Back in 2017, I posted something about seeing a possible first-ever
reference to the idea of 3-D printing in a 1951 issue of Galaxy Science
Fiction magazine.
I stumbled over an even earlier one tonight...
The September, 1941, issue of Astounding Science Fiction magazine has a
story called
ED SHARPE wrote:
> Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and graphics it
> is a brand new world ! I love old hardware to look at but if
> communicating I like the ability to see graphical things... and I
> think tell majority of people like images of things.. Ed#
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ED SHARPE wrote:
These 2 have my vote as well
I do not know, anyone using a text only mail reader anymore!
Yes, of course. I'm exclusively using Alpine even at work.
Christian
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ben wrote:
Does this mailing list have people using EBCDIC for example?
Yes, if for example I use Kermit on the IBM 5110 and connect to a UNIX
host. ;-) But in this case, my Kermit is doing the translation between
ASCII and EBCDIC.
Christian
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:39:44PM -0400, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> The early plasma TVs usually had BNC RGBHV inputs and such. They could take
> VGA in very easily. I'm pretty sure a PC would have been way easier to deal
> with and could reach much higher resolutions... without
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan
> via cctalk
> Sent: 18 June 2020 08:22
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: RE: Future of cctalk/cctech
>
> ED SHARPE wrote:
> > Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Peter Corlett
via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 June 2020 09:38
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: Amiga Vendors?
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:39:44PM -0400, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:
> [...]
> > The
Christian Corti wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, ben wrote:
> Does this mailing list have people using EBCDIC for example?
Yes, if for example I use Kermit on the IBM 5110 and connect to a UNIX
host. ;-) But in this case, my Kermit is doing the translation between
ASCII and EBCDIC.
Does anyone
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:50:20PM +0100, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> Easy, pictures of unidentified components, sending out schematics that have
> been reverse engineered, documentation, pictures of scope traces when trying
> to find a fault, all sorts. I would agree on a size limit
Peter Coghlan wrote:
> Does anyone use ASCII anymore?
I read and write my email with Emacs running in a terminal emulator.
I rarely need anything beoynd codepoint 126.
I hear MIT-MC is a popular host for mailing lists. Remind me, is
ARPANET still up and running?
Dave -- I suppose the solve is to write it out long hand as in One
Dollar One Cent One Pound... I never considered how the monetary vales
could get screwed up. Ed#...CIn a message dated 6/18/2020 1:42:27 AM US
Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
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