Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Dr. Erik Baigar via cctalk
k Note that VFDs are designed to run motors exclusively. They approximate a sine wave with pulse width modulated 400 V pulses. DON'T EVER try to run electronic gear with a VFD, at least without a massive Yes, that is what I suggested; these filters are called "Sinus Filters" in the field

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk
Dr. Erik Baigar via cctalk wrote: I've heard that.  But why?  It's not like the electronics we're talking about actually runs on AC. (a) Input filters often contain caps... https://uk.tdk-lambda.com/content/faq/130796117766108286_FilterFAQ_how%20Image%201.jpg With 50Hz or 60Hz they create a

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 5/5/21 6:09 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:07:28PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote: "Power for the basic computer consists of one 250 kva, 400 Hz motor generator set. The motor-generator set has the capability of providing power for the CPU, MCS, I/O and

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/5/21 6:40 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote: > > While I was in grad school at U.W. (the one in Wisconsin) we had > obtained via surplus an IBM 7094 II from military surplus - I seem to > recall WSMR (White Sands Missle Range).  Of course, it had an MG.  We > got it put together and with a

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
I think a lot of the time audio-phools, if they will be honest with themselves, are really trying to recreate the stereo (or even HiFi) sounds of the 1960s because they have fond memories and like it better. THAT I have no problem with whatsoever. What gets annoying is when the phools try

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 05/05/2021 07:44 PM, Donald via cctalk wrote: Many thanks for all the info. I just wanted to make sure my recesses were right. I asked about MG because, in an audio forum, I see folks paying crazy money for AC cords and power line conditioners. I thought a good MG would solve many of

Re: PDP-8/I Negative-bus termination

2021-05-05 Thread Michael Thompson via cctalk
> > Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 00:03:05 -0700 > From: Josh Dersch > Subject: PDP-8/I Negative-bus termination > > Hey all -- > > Until this point I've never had any peripherals for my negibus systems > (apart from teletypes), and it occurs to me that I have no idea if the bus > needs to be terminated

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Michael Thompson via cctalk
> > Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 13:20:59 +0100 > From: > Subject: RE: Motor generator > > We had a Motor/Generator for our Honeywell L66. Not sure it was because it > wanted US voltages or just for a clean supply > Dave > I also worked on a Honeywell L66 that had two motor-generators. We used one at a

Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Donald via cctalk
Many thanks for all the info. I just wanted to make sure my recesses were right. I asked about MG because, in an audio forum, I see folks paying crazy money for AC cords and power line conditioners. I thought a good MG would solve many of the 'problems' they are trying to fix.

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
On 5/5/2021 7:18 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: On 5/5/21 6:09 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:07:28PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote: "Power for the basic computer consists of one 250 kva, 400 Hz motor generator set.  The motor-generator set has the

PDP-8/I Negative-bus termination

2021-05-05 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
Hey all -- I cabled up the RF08 to my 8/I this evening and it's showing some very faint signs of life -- a DIML instruction appears to do the right thing. That's about it. Until this point I've never had any peripherals for my negibus systems (apart from teletypes), and it occurs to me that I

RE: General Instruments Capacitive Keyboard Encoder

2021-05-05 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: Tony Duell [mailto:ard.p850...@gmail.com] > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:33 AM Paul Birkel via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > I'm currently reverse-engineering an AMPEX keyboard that uses capacitive key > > switches. The basic design employs a GI encoder

Re: PDP-8/I Negative-bus termination

2021-05-05 Thread Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk
On 5/5/2021 12:03 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: Until this point I've never had any peripherals for my negibus systems (apart from teletypes), and it occurs to me that I have no idea if the bus needs to be terminated (and if so, with what). There are 6 slots in the RF08 backplane (D01-D06)

Re: General Instruments Capacitive Keyboard Encoder

2021-05-05 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 8:12 AM Paul Birkel wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tony Duell [mailto:ard.p850...@gmail.com] > > > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:33 AM Paul Birkel via cctalk > > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm currently reverse-engineering an AMPEX keyboard that uses

Re: PDP-8/I Negative-bus termination

2021-05-05 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 5/5/2021 12:03 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: Can anyone with negibus experience point me in the right direction? As you and Ethan helped me with on FB about my 8/I, I don't know which bus I had.  And worse it went to a second rack with about 10 of the expansion racks built out with

Re: PDP-8/I Negative-bus termination

2021-05-05 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 5/5/2021 12:27 AM, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote: On 5/5/2021 12:03 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: Until this point I've never had any peripherals for my negibus systems (apart from teletypes), and it occurs to me that I have no idea if the bus needs to be terminated (and if so,

RE: General Instruments Capacitive Keyboard Encoder

2021-05-05 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: Tony Duell [mailto:ard.p850...@gmail.com] > > On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 8:12 AM Paul Birkel wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Tony Duell [mailto:ard.p850...@gmail.com] > > > > > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:33 AM Paul Birkel via cctalk >

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Mark Linimon via cctalk
On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:07:28PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote: > "Power for the basic computer consists of one 250 kva, 400 Hz motor > generator set. The motor-generator set has the capability of providing > power for the CPU, MCS, I/O and the MCU. The optional memory requires > the

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 5, 2021, at 1:07 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > Very large machines, certainly. There were "site preparation" documents > that detail this. > > I can quote from the 1975 edition of the STAR-100 hardware manual on > bitsavers (PDF page 25): > > "Power for the basic

RE: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Mark Linimon via > cctalk > Sent: 05 May 2021 12:10 > To: Chuck Guzis ; General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > > Cc: Donald via cctalk > Subject: Re: Motor generator > > On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:07:28PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctech

400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
I have found the Motor Generator thread to be fascinating and enlightening. But it has made many a reference to the 400 Hz or other frequency much higher than mains line frequency. Despite the comments about the frequency, I'm still confused as to why the higher than mains frequency was

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 5, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > I have found the Motor Generator thread to be fascinating and enlightening. > But it has made many a reference to the 400 Hz or other frequency much higher > than mains line frequency. Despite the comments about the

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Andrew Back via cctalk
On 05/05/2021 16:07, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > Were the higher frequencies used because it directly effected the amount > of time / duration in (fractions of) seconds between peaks of rectified > (but not yet smoothed) power? Haven't read the rest of the thread and so at the risk of being

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/5/21 5:18 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > An earlier message commented on the whine from power converters. I > don't know how common this practice was, but at the University of > Illinois PLATO system which had a pair of 6500 systems, the > motor-generator was located near the elevator machinery

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 5, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Andrew Back via cctalk > wrote: > > On 05/05/2021 16:07, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > >> Were the higher frequencies used because it directly effected the amount >> of time / duration in (fractions of) seconds between peaks of rectified >> (but not yet

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/5/21 8:37 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > Incidentally, a way to get three phase power at a frequency of your choice is > to use a "variable frequency drive". That's basically a high power solid > state inverter intended to drive three-phase motors with a chosen frequency > resulting

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/5/21 8:07 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > I have found the Motor Generator thread to be fascinating and > enlightening.  But it has made many a reference to the 400 Hz or other > frequency much higher than mains line frequency.  Despite the comments > about the frequency, I'm still

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread erik--- via cctalk
..not to forget, that the 400Hz equipment was readily available from powering aircraft on the ground before the engines take over. So although not cheap, they where cheaper than a custom design at an arbitrary new frequency…

Re: That VAXStation4000vlc 3W3 video connector

2021-05-05 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
On 5/4/2021 1:00 PM, Peter Dreisiger via cctalk wrote: Firstly, apologies if my response doesn't show up nicely in this thread --- I only receive the daily digests so I'm not sure how best to reply to a specific post... But on the subject of sourcing / making video cables with 3W3

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread erik--- via cctalk
> Incidentally, a way to get three phase power at a frequency of your > choice is to use a "variable frequency drive". Please be careful with this! Have quite some experience in building three phase inverters from such small boxes for my various avionics projects. (1) The normal ones

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 05/05/2021 12:07 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Small S/360 systems were operated from standard AC distribution. I don't know where the breakover was for IBM S/360; probably not for the model 30, 40, or 75. The 195, I suspect did use an MG set. "Real" 360's did not use MG sets. By

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 05/05/2021 10:37 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Incidentally, a way to get three phase power at a frequency of your choice is to use a "variable frequency drive". That's basically a high power solid state inverter intended to drive three-phase motors with a chosen frequency resulting in

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 5, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 05/05/2021 10:37 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> Incidentally, a way to get three phase power at a frequency of your choice >> is to use a "variable frequency drive". That's basically a high power solid >> state inverter intended

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/5/21 8:37 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > Incidentally, a way to get three phase power at a frequency of your > choice is to use a "variable frequency drive". That's basically a > high power solid state inverter intended to drive three-phase motors > with a chosen frequency resulting in

IBM 4700 question

2021-05-05 Thread Henk Stegeman via cctalk
Hi, Does anyone known which processor IBM used in the IBM 4701 — Branch Controller (8″ floppy disc) ? Regards Henk

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 05/05/2021 10:07 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: I have found the Motor Generator thread to be fascinating and enlightening. But it has made many a reference to the 400 Hz or other frequency much higher than mains line frequency. Despite the comments about the frequency, I'm still

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-05 Thread erik--- via cctalk
..not to forget, that the 400Hz equipment was readily available from powering aircraft on the ground before the engines take over. So although not cheap, they where cheaper than a custom design at an arbitrary new frequency…

Re: Motor generator

2021-05-05 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 05/05/2021 10:36 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: As far as any "whine"--I vaguely recall hearing a high-pitched whine if I put my ear close to the power adjustment panel in a CDC Cyber--but it was barely audible. The inverter whine on the 360/50 and /65 was completely insane, and the

Re: PDP-8/I Negative-bus termination

2021-05-05 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 12:27 AM Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 5/5/2021 12:03 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > > Until this point I've never had any peripherals for my negibus systems > > (apart from teletypes), and it occurs to me that I have no idea if the