Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

On 29/04/2016 04:58, Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Rod Smallwood wrote: >On 28/04/2016 18:25, Evan Koblentz wrote: We all owe a big "Thanks!" to Harry Sanders at S Computer Systems and his Board of Directors for making this release a reality for all vintage computer folks! Also, the hobby owes

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

>Rod Smallwood wrote: >On 28/04/2016 18:25, Evan Koblentz wrote: We all owe a big "Thanks!" to Harry Sanders at S Computer Systems and his Board of Directors for making this release a reality for all vintage computer folks! Also, the hobby owes huge thanks to Lyle Bickley for tirelessly

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On Apr 25, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > And you do know what Apple MacOS was originally written in, don't you? The original Macintosh System Software was almost entirely M68000 assembly language. There were a couple parts of the original System Software that

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

>Lyle Bickley wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:22:11 -0500 "Jay West" wrote: --snip-- We all owe a big "Thanks!" to Harry Sanders at S Computer Systems and his Board of Directors for making this release a reality for all vintage computer folks! Also, the hobby owes huge

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

On 4/28/16 17:45, Sean Caron wrote: [big snip] > I find the design of the CBX really interesting. IMO, their appearance > belies that ROLM was a computer vendor first a a phone equipment maker > second. Not in a perjorative sense, just stylistically. Comparing them > against boards from

Re: basic switch lubricant

On 04/28/2016 06:50 PM, Charles Dickman wrote: > I have been cleaning a PDP-8/e front panel and some of the switches > are not as free as others. The switches are simple slider basic > switches. I have taken similar switches apart and noticed that there > is a brown/red grease on the contacts.

Re: Calling all typographers

On 28 April 2016 at 13:05, Jon Elson wrote: > That should be available for most Linux distros. You should also be able to > get it on Windows, but might be a bit harder to find. > I believe the current easiest to get up and running TeX/LaTeX solution for Windows is

Re: smalltalk and lisp (was: strangest systems I've sent email from)

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Ben Sinclair wrote: > it and Apple's SDKs felt, but appreciate a lot of that now. I've heard they have a lot of boilerplate code, but it sounds like there is some reason to it, if you got cozy with it. > I'm doing some embedded C++ work right now too, and often wish I could

basic switch lubricant

I have been cleaning a PDP-8/e front panel and some of the switches are not as free as others. The switches are simple slider basic switches. I have taken similar switches apart and noticed that there is a brown/red grease on the contacts. Any suggestions on the proper grease for a low voltage

RE: strangest systems I've sent email from

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Rich Alderson wrote: > I received undergraduate and graduate degrees in historical linguistics; That is an interesting field of study. I don't really understand a lick of it (talk about jargon! nobody beats linguists) but it's neat. As academic fields go, I'd do operations

RE: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

Thanks are also due to Dennis Boone, who wrote the CGI code for the tsxplus download site. THANKS DENNIS! J

Re: Rolm Computers: 1602, 1602A, 1602B, 1666, MSExx (was Data General Nova Star Trek)

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Erik Baigar wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Caron wrote: I don't have any ROLM computers (not that I wouldn't love one) but I am proud to say that I have a complete ROLM SCBX 8000. I've tried to take some pictures and compile some information on my personal site:

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

Hi All, Hopefully you all read in the "Notes" (and Jay's and my comments) that TSX-Plus requires RT-11 as a prerequisite. RT-11 is readily available all over the Internet. It is also available at on the classiccmp server at http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/ Cheers, Lyle -- 73 AF6WS

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 4/28/2016 7:59 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 27 April 2016 at 22:13, Sean Conner wrote: It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: On 26 April 2016 at 16:41, Liam Proven wrote: When I was playing with home micros (mainly Sinclair and Amstrad;

Re: Abstraction levels and tool evolution, versus bugs - Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 4/27/2016 4:50 PM, Swift Griggs wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Toby Thain wrote: I stick with C because I don't want (much) more abstraction than it offers for the applications I write or maintain. How ever hardware design is still knowledge needed, with all the strange Caches and logic

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 28 April 2016 at 16:52, wrote: > On 2016-04-28 10:44, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> On 28 April 2016 at 16:35, Mouse wrote: >>> The depressing (to me) part is that there seems to be a place for >>> decent-quality restaurants in the same

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

Excellent news. Thank you for making this happen. -- Will On Apr 28, 2016 1:22 PM, "Jay West" wrote: > > Several years ago, Lyle Bickley began negotiations with S Computer Systems > to release TSX-Plus (a 3rd party Multiuser Operating System for PDP-11's) as > free

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

It addition to all of the resources that were directly available through http://www.hpmuseum.net/ there were also resources available if you asked. I wanted a copy of some HP-UX installation CD images for my 9000/382 and Jon was happy to provide those to me after sending him an email. His loss

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote: > >> We all owe a big "Thanks!" to Harry Sanders at S Computer Systems and his >> Board of Directors for making this release a reality for all vintage >> computer folks! Also, the hobby owes huge thanks to Lyle Bickley for

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

On 28/04/2016 18:22, Jay West wrote: Several years ago, Lyle Bickley began negotiations with S Computer Systems to release TSX-Plus The distribution is at http://tsxplus.classiccmp.org Well done, Lyle. Thank you for your effort, and thanks too to the people at S This is great news. And

RE: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

Bill wrote... Wonder if this will work on 11/40 with 96K ISTR it requires 96kW minimum and 128kW recommended. Installation guide, section 2.3, page 5&6 (pdf file pages 9-10) will tell... J

Re: High performance coprocessor boards of the 80s and 90s - was Re: SGI ONYX

It was many many hundreds of pounds. £499 comes to mind but that might be wishful thinking! There was various bits of publicity on the thing and Acorn had a shop in Covent Garden and about once a month I'd go down and ask them. I think they must have said yes one day! On 27 April 2016 at 23:18,

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Zane Healy wrote: > This is officially the best news I’ve had this week. Thanks Lyle and Jay > both! > > Yay! Software and documentation upgrade for my PDP-11/73! :-) When I > have time. :-( > > Zane > > > > Wonder if this will work on

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

* On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:48:21PM +, Rich Alderson wrote: > I received undergraduate and graduate degrees in historical linguistics; (!!!) It's good to see Linguist here. While I never did receive my degree, linguistics was my major, and historical

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

This is officially the best news I’ve had this week. Thanks Lyle and Jay both! Yay! Software and documentation upgrade for my PDP-11/73! :-) When I have time. :-( Zane

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

Fantastic!! Many thanks to Lyle, Jay, and S H!!! On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Jay West wrote: > Several years ago, Lyle Bickley began negotiations with S Computer > Systems > to release TSX-Plus (a 3rd party Multiuser Operating System for PDP-11's) > as > free

RE: strangest systems I've sent email from

From: Liam Proven Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 6:39 AM BTW, an expansion for someone who missed a humorous point very early on: "FTHI" means "For the humour-impaired", and was followed by numerous smilicons. > On 27 April 2016 at 20:15, Swift Griggs > wrote: >> All

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

Liam Proven writes: > the last iterations of Genera ran on Tru64 on Alphas, but under an > emulator. The emulator has been ported to Linux and x86-64. http://www.cliki.net/VLM_on_Linux

Re: Calling all typographers

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 18:43:30 +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote > On 28/04/2016 17:18, Paul Koning wrote: > > I just found FontForge, which is open source. A few minutes > > experimentation shows that it is quite happy to draw straight lines, including doing obvious stuff like line segments forced to

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

On 28/04/2016 18:57, Jay West wrote: Rod wrote... - Excellent -- One minor point you need RT11 to run it I think. - That is correct, and that is stated in the "Notes" on the distribution web page before you download it. For those not familiar with TSX-Plus, from a user standpoint -

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 2016-04-28 10:44, Liam Proven wrote: On 28 April 2016 at 16:35, Mouse wrote: But the marketing men got to it and ruined its security and elegance, to produce the lipstick-and-high-heels Windows XP. That version, insecure and flakey with its terrible bodged-in

RE: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

Rod wrote... - Excellent -- One minor point you need RT11 to run it I think. - That is correct, and that is stated in the "Notes" on the distribution web page before you download it. For those not familiar with TSX-Plus, from a user standpoint - it's a multi-user version of RT-11. You

Re: Calling all typographers

On 2016-04-28 1:43 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: On 28/04/2016 17:18, Paul Koning wrote: On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: ... I'd like to recover the DEC fonts and have looked at several font creator/editors. ... paul Oh I tried that one.

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

On 28/04/2016 18:25, Evan Koblentz wrote: We all owe a big "Thanks!" to Harry Sanders at S Computer Systems and his Board of Directors for making this release a reality for all vintage computer folks! Also, the hobby owes huge thanks to Lyle Bickley for tirelessly pursuing this for us all!

Re: Calling all typographers

On 28/04/2016 17:18, Paul Koning wrote: On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: ... I'd like to recover the DEC fonts and have looked at several font creator/editors. Frankly they are dung. Every fancy curve there is but not a straight forward

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:22:11 -0500 "Jay West" wrote: --snip-- > We all owe a big "Thanks!" to Harry Sanders at S Computer Systems > and his Board of Directors for making this release a reality for all > vintage computer folks! Also, the hobby owes huge thanks to Lyle >

Re: Unknown transistor repairing a TI990/5 power supply

On 04/28/2016 02:45 AM, Alberto Rubinelli - Fondazione Museo del Computer wrote: > I'm working at the power supply of a 990/5 minicomputer. The chassis > is a 6 slot version, with 20A power supply. After a few minutes of > working, the fuse blow and I found a transistor on the main power > supply

Re: Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

We all owe a big "Thanks!" to Harry Sanders at S Computer Systems and his Board of Directors for making this release a reality for all vintage computer folks! Also, the hobby owes huge thanks to Lyle Bickley for tirelessly pursuing this for us all! I've always been a huge fan of TSX-Plus and I'm

Lyle scores a WIN for our hobby!

Several years ago, Lyle Bickley began negotiations with S Computer Systems to release TSX-Plus (a 3rd party Multiuser Operating System for PDP-11's) as free software for personal use. As is often the case, this process can take a lot longer than one would expect. Once Lyle obtained an initial

Re: Calling all typographers

On 04/28/2016 11:05 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Apr 28, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Brian L. Stuart wrote: On Thu, 4/28/16, Rod Smallwood wrote: Every fancy curve there is but not a straight forward line and circle method of creating lower case

Re: Calling all typographers

On 04/28/2016 10:46 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: On 28/04/2016 16:32, Jon Elson wrote: Have you tried MetaFont? I've never actually created a font with it, just used it automatically within the TeX environment. But, there is a human-readable language that defines the characters. Jon I

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On Thu, 4/28/16, Rod Smallwood wrote: > How about morse by a key made in 1898 . Then cw to ascii serial > converter and  normal program input after that. I've often thought of doing that! Though my key dates from more like the '40s or '50s. I see a weekend

Re: Calling all typographers

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > ... > I'd like to recover the DEC fonts and have looked at several font > creator/editors. > > Frankly they are dung. Every fancy curve there is but not a straight forward > line and circle method of

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 28/04/2016 16:54, Brian L. Stuart wrote: On Thu, 4/28/16, Liam Proven wrote: Oh, yes, indeed! I have a Plan 9 VM, and I intend to try it on my Pi. But it's had relatively little impact on mainstream Unix. I would agree, given the qualification "relatively." There are

Re: Calling all typographers

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > > On Thu, 4/28/16, Rod Smallwood wrote: > >> Every fancy curve there is but not a straight >> forward line and circle method of creating lower case >> characters > > I'm not sure

Re: Calling all typographers

On Thu, 4/28/16, Rod Smallwood wrote: > On 28/04/2016 16:32, Jon Elson wrote: >> Have you tried MetaFont?  I've never actually created a font with it, >> just used it automatically within the TeX environment.  But, there is >> a human-readable language that

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On Thu, 4/28/16, Liam Proven wrote: > Oh, yes, indeed! I have a Plan 9 VM, and I intend to try it on my Pi. > But it's had relatively little impact on mainstream Unix. I would agree, given the qualification "relatively." There are several things that have made their way from

Re: Calling all typographers

On 28/04/2016 16:42, Brian L. Stuart wrote: On Thu, 4/28/16, Rod Smallwood wrote: Every fancy curve there is but not a straight forward line and circle method of creating lower case characters I'm not sure if you count it as straightforward, but I'd suggest

Re: Calling all typographers

On Thu, 4/28/16, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Every fancy curve there is but not a straight > forward line and circle method of  creating lower case > characters I'm not sure if you count it as straightforward, but I'd suggest METAFONT. Straight lines are certainly

Re: Calling all typographers

On 28/04/2016 16:32, Jon Elson wrote: On 04/28/2016 07:19 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: I'd like to recover the DEC fonts and have looked at several font creator/editors. Frankly they are dung. Every fancy curve there is but not a straight forward line and circle method of creating lower

Re: Calling all typographers

On 28/04/2016 16:07, Paul Koning wrote: On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:37 AM, schoe...@kw.igs.net wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:19:43 +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote But they built it out of circles and straight lines and that's what I do. That's superficially, but not exactly, true. Even the 'o' is not

Re: smalltalk and lisp (was: strangest systems I've sent email from)

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > It's had at least a mediocre run. I mean, they used it for NeXTStep apps > too. It's been around for quite a while with a pretty solid core of > adherents. A C++ god that I used to work with called it "C++ without

Re: Calling all typographers

On 04/28/2016 07:19 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: I'd like to recover the DEC fonts and have looked at several font creator/editors. Frankly they are dung. Every fancy curve there is but not a straight forward line and circle method of creating lower case characters as DEC did it. I do

Re: smalltalk and lisp (was: strangest systems I've sent email from)

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016, Paul Koning wrote: > Did it really? It is used in the Mac, much as Bliss was in VMS, but > apart from that, would anyone use it? It's had at least a mediocre run. I mean, they used it for NeXTStep apps too. It's been around for quite a while with a pretty solid core of

Re: smalltalk and lisp (was: strangest systems I've sent email from)

It is also the basis for iOS - you know, the system that runs on iPhones. I'd say that would be considered a significant impact - over 1.5 million applications. - Original Message - From: "Paul Koning" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"

Re: Calling all typographers

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:37 AM, schoe...@kw.igs.net wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:19:43 +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote >> But they built it out of circles and straight lines and that's what I do. > > That's superficially, but not exactly, true. Even the 'o' is not a perfect > circle, and you

Re: smalltalk and lisp (was: strangest systems I've sent email from)

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 11:28 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: > ... > Objective-C was the only other C derivative to have a significant > impact. Did it really? It is used in the Mac, much as Bliss was in VMS, but apart from that, would anyone use it? paul

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 28 April 2016 at 16:35, Mouse wrote: >>> But the marketing men got to it and ruined its security and >>> elegance, to produce the lipstick-and-high-heels Windows XP. That >>> version, insecure and flakey with its terrible bodged-in browser, >>> that, of course, was

Re: Calling all typographers

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:19:43 +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote > But they built it out of circles and straight lines and that's what I do. That's superficially, but not exactly, true. Even the 'o' is not a perfect circle, and you can't get close to replicating the 's' or the digits that way. I took a

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

>> But the marketing men got to it and ruined its security and >> elegance, to produce the lipstick-and-high-heels Windows XP. That >> version, insecure and flakey with its terrible bodged-in browser, >> that, of course, was the one that sold. > â??Consistent mediocrity, delivered on a

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

>> Well, I think "Sun god" is a significant overstatement, and I'm >> pretty sure I never capitalized the "der", but yes, that was me. > It's not an overstatement to me, sir. Thank you. I'm glad to hear I helped; I've received so very much from the net - as cynical and bitter as I tend to wax

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 27 April 2016 at 22:13, Sean Conner wrote: > It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: >> On 26 April 2016 at 16:41, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> When I was playing with home micros (mainly Sinclair and Amstrad; the >> American stuff was just too

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 27 April 2016 at 20:50, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Liam Proven > > > There's the not-remotely-safe kinda-sorta C in a web browser, > > Javascript. > > Love the rant, which I mostly agree with (_especially_ that one). Thank you! The JS line is the one

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 27 April 2016 at 20:15, Swift Griggs wrote: > On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Liam Proven wrote: >> I wish to apologise for this. It was unjustified and unfair, and >> unjustly ad-hom as well. > > Well, that's mighty big of you Liam. You're welcome, Swift. I'll try to learn from

RE: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

Al wrote... This is horrible news. The last project we worked on was my recovery of a bunch of HP3000 tapes from him a few years ago. Yep. The last email I got from him ended with: I will be out of communication from Apr 5 to June 3 (on climbing expedition in Tibet). I got an

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 27 April 2016 at 19:44, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > On Wed, 4/27/16, Liam Proven wrote: >> ... with a few weirdos saying that 6809 was better than >> ... and a few weirdos maintained that Forth was better. >> ... while the weirdoes use FreeBSD. > > I've

Calling all typographers

Hi Guys DEC did some interesting things when it came to fonts on front panels. Take an 8/e front panel for example. the address is kind of a chalet font. But they built it out of circles and straight lines and that's what I do. Then they bunch up the characters until they

Re: It has been quiet.

> From: Dwight Kelvey > Has the list gone down or just dropped me again? Consulting the list archive via the Web: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/ is a good way to see if things are moving. Noel

Unknown transistor repairing a TI990/5 power supply

I'm working at the power supply of a 990/5 minicomputer. The chassis is a 6 slot version, with 20A power supply. After a few minutes of working, the fuse blow and I found a transistor on the main power supply board with collector in short circuit with emitter. The transistor has TRW logo and is

Re: Digital VAX, Alpha (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" ...

Zitat von Swift Griggs : 3. I know for a fact the US government and a few other folks are pretty well stuck with using Alphas for "certain" things. If the vendor was OK'd by the gubment, there might be some money to be made there, too. But they don't Need an FPGA,

Re: Digital VAX, Alpha (Was RE: Mac "Workgroup Server" ...

Zitat von Paul Koning : On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:07 AM, e...@e-bbes.com wrote: If "accurate" means to run VMS or Unix, it shouldn't be to difficult. You might be surprised. Probably not. I have both working here as Software emulations ;-) Getting a PDP-11 FPGA to

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

Ops...Sorry :( 2016-04-28 4:24 GMT-03:00 Tor Arntsen : > On 28 April 2016 at 09:16, Alexandre Souza > wrote: > > And hpmuseum seems to be offline right now :( > > It's online, but you may have tried the link in Rik's post, which has a > typo. >

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

On 28 April 2016 at 09:16, Alexandre Souza wrote: > And hpmuseum seems to be offline right now :( It's online, but you may have tried the link in Rik's post, which has a typo.

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

And hpmuseum seems to be offline right now :( 2016-04-28 3:52 GMT-03:00 Pontus Pihlgren : > That is sad news :( > > I've had good use of his work. > > /Pontus. > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:48:46AM +0200, Rik Bos wrote: > > This morning I got the sad message of the passing

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

That is sad news :( I've had good use of his work. /Pontus. On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:48:46AM +0200, Rik Bos wrote: > This morning I got the sad message of the passing of Jon Johnston the > curator of the HP Museum website www.hpmusem.net. > > More info at : >

Re: It has been quiet.

nope it is working In a message dated 4/27/2016 10:48:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, dkel...@hotmail.com writes: Has the list gone down or just dropped me again?