Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread George Rachor
I remember my wife spending hours playing BUGDOM on it … George > On Sep 12, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person > I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial > design

Re: Logic Analyser Advice

2016-09-12 Thread Mark Linimon
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 09:33:01PM -0700, m...@markesystems.com wrote: > HP 1630G Logic Analyzer: $10 > Complete set of probes: $500 Too true to be truly funny. mcl

Re: Logic Analyser Advice

2016-09-12 Thread mark
I finally managed to pick up a logic analyser for a price I could justify. It is a HP1630G and it comes with a number of pods. However the pods do not seem to have the actual wires/probes. Is there a separate part number for these that I should look for. There seem to be quite a few items like

Re: Recovering 4mm tar tapes

2016-09-12 Thread TeoZ
What drive type are you trying to read that tape with? DD-90 is DDS-1 era tape and DDS-4 drives (or newer) will not read it. Also hardware compression might have something to do with it. -Original Message- From: Douglas Taylor Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:35 PM To:

Re: Recovering 4mm tar tapes

2016-09-12 Thread Steven M Jones
On 09/12/16 16:35, Douglas Taylor wrote: > > I tried using different blocksizes with no luck. Debian does have the > mt command and I was able to use it to get the tape status, rewind and > was able to have it move the tape forward a number of records (not sure > what a record is) > > #mt -f

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Richard Loken
Mark, I strongly support the addition of Oscar to your Mac Pro. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS : "...underneath those Athabasca University : tuques we wear, our Athabasca, Alberta Canada: heads are naked!" **

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Richard Loken
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016, Liam Proven wrote: Whereas my Mac mini has 3rd party RAM and both an SSD and an HD (upgrades from a Toshiba desktop-replacement notebook that the Mac replaced) on a 3rd party bracket, and I'm using a Dell 5-button mouse and an Apple Extended keyboard from '97 or so, on a

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Liam Proven
On 13 September 2016 at 01:21, Fred Cisin wrote: > > well, . . . > you should put a microphone into an old mouse, and start designing > transparent aluminum panels. Heh. :-) It's rather odd. I have, or have had, a number of hobbies over the years, and most have been odd

Re: Recovering 4mm tar tapes

2016-09-12 Thread Douglas Taylor
On 9/12/2016 6:05 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote: On 12/09/2016 16:12, Douglas Taylor wrote: I have a pair of 4mm DDS tapes from 1999 that I would like to recover. I was able to read one with tar on a Debian (jessie) Linux system, but the second gives an error. The second tape is a 3M brand with

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016, Liam Proven wrote: And with the original '80s keyboard, it _feels_ (and sounds) like a proper (i.e. '80s) Mac when I'm typing on it. :-) well, . . . you should put a microphone into an old mouse, and start designing transparent aluminum panels.

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Liam Proven
On 12 September 2016 at 23:10, Richard Loken wrote: > Meanwhile, I am on my second mac Mini Actually, now that you come to mention it, so am I. I had -- have -- a G4 as well as the Core i5 I'm typing on. It was never my main machine, though. The thing I like about the minis,

Re: Recovering 4mm tar tapes

2016-09-12 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 12/09/2016 16:12, Douglas Taylor wrote: I have a pair of 4mm DDS tapes from 1999 that I would like to recover. I was able to read one with tar on a Debian (jessie) Linux system, but the second gives an error. The second tape is a 3M brand with DDS markings and 4 bars next to the DDS logo.

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

2016-09-12 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
On 9/12/16 3:42 PM, Chris Hanson wrote: On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 12 September 2016 at 03:43, Chris Hanson wrote: This person was talking about 680x0-based Macs being “16-bit.” Ugh. Well, to be specific, the

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
Why in your opinion was it a failed experiment? I had one and liked it very much. - J. On 9/12/2016 3:15 PM, Al Kossow wrote: Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial design experiment

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 14:10 , Richard Loken wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2016, Al Kossow wrote: > >> Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person >> I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial >> design experiment that

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Richard Loken
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016, Al Kossow wrote: Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial design experiment that never should have shipped and even he felt that way. And now they have the mac pro which

Re: Recovering 4mm tar tapes

2016-09-12 Thread Craig Ruff
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 11:00 AM, cctech-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: > > Is the 2nd tape just bad and can't be read? Or do I need a > slightly different tape drive? It may be bad or perhaps it was written with a larger block size? I don’t recall what tar does if the tape was written with a

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

2016-09-12 Thread Chris Hanson
On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > On 12 September 2016 at 03:43, Chris Hanson > wrote: >> This person was talking about 680x0-based Macs being “16-bit.” Ugh. > > > Well, to be specific, the interviewee was talking about

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

2016-09-12 Thread Chris Hanson
On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Peter Corlett wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 06:43:32PM -0700, Chris Hanson wrote: >> This person was talking about 680x0-based Macs being “16-bit.” Ugh. > > The original 68000 *was*. Although there were instructions for 32 bit ALU >

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Al Kossow
Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial design experiment that never should have shipped and even he felt that way. On 9/12/16 11:39 AM, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:32

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Geoffrey Oltmans
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > > > > > They make nice Kleenex dispensers. > > > > > > http://www.cultofmac.com/62678/diy-powermac-g4-cube-tissue-dispenser/ > > > Why, why, why? sheesh.

Classic computer get together in Lower Mainland, BC, Canada

2016-09-12 Thread alex d
Hi, This might only be of interest to people in the Pacific North West. We are starting a new retro-computer club in Chilliwack, BC. Both Rob C, and myself have a pretty good collection of 'classic' computers and rather than having them sit in a basement collecting dust, we thought we'd

Recovering 4mm tar tapes

2016-09-12 Thread Douglas Taylor
I have a pair of 4mm DDS tapes from 1999 that I would like to recover. I was able to read one with tar on a Debian (jessie) Linux system, but the second gives an error. The tape that I could read is a Sony with DDS markings and 4 bars next to the DDS logo. It was written on an SGI computer.

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/12/16 9:30 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 9/11/16 11:23 PM, Brad H wrote: >> >> >> Definitely want one for my collection. Probably not too expensive now. >> > > They make nice Kleenex dispensers. > > http://www.cultofmac.com/62678/diy-powermac-g4-cube-tissue-dispenser/

G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

2016-09-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/11/16 11:23 PM, Brad H wrote: > > > Definitely want one for my collection. Probably not too expensive now. > They make nice Kleenex dispensers.

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

2016-09-12 Thread Liam Proven
On 12 September 2016 at 03:43, Chris Hanson wrote: > This person was talking about 680x0-based Macs being “16-bit.” Ugh. Well, to be specific, the interviewee was talking about something that is networking-specific on System 7.5, which implies pre-7.6 and thus

OpenVMS manuals (Grey wall + HP) available, Windermere UK

2016-09-12 Thread Mark Wickens
Greetings I have a set of OpenVMS 7.3 era manuals available (grey wall). They are located in Windermere, UK. At the moment I am unable to ship them due to lack of packing materials so it would be either via collection or by an arrangement. The manuals are generally in good condition. I can get a

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

2016-09-12 Thread Peter Corlett
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 06:43:32PM -0700, Chris Hanson wrote: > This person was talking about 680x0-based Macs being “16-bit.” Ugh. The original 68000 *was*. Although there were instructions for 32 bit ALU operations, it only had a 16 bit ALU and the operands had to go through the ALU twice. This

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

2016-09-12 Thread Brad H
Man I remember when the Cube came out.. I saw one on display at an Apple store with 23 inch Cinema display.  Man I wanted one badly.  But wa too much money.  Definitely want one for my collection.  Probably not too expensive now. Sent from my Samsung device Original message

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

2016-09-12 Thread Cameron Kaiser
> I retired it last week as I couldn't put a modern browser on it. *cough* http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Communism