Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

[Brad H]

I get hit by that every couple of weeks.  I still have no idea what a 'bounce' 
is or what I'm doing or not doing to cause it to drop me.  Kind of frustrating 
because it just drops me and then I miss chunks of conversations I'm watching.


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Curious Marc  
Date: 2016-10-22  2:42 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  
Subject: Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices? 

Got the excess bounce warning and membership disabled too. Just clicked the 
link on the message to re-enable myself. Hopefully it worked, since I'm still 
here...
Marc

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Liam Proven  wrote:
> 
>> On 22 October 2016 at 17:27, Adrian Graham  
>> wrote:
>> Ditto, and ditto. I also thought it was due to the dyndns attack so just
>> resubbed after emailing Jay, but if everyone did that who got an excessive
>> bounce message the poor chap will have quite a full inbox.
> 
> Yes, me too.
> 
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Re: Maslin archive "virus"? (Was: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Fred Cisin]

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, Eric Christopherson wrote:

Where is this image? I found what I think is the Maslin archive at
http://www.retroarchive.org/maslin/ but I don't see any Sharp stuff
there.



http://www.vcfed.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-34683.html
includes a post:

MasawVx
July 30th, 2014, 08:59 PM
beware!!!
there are 3 viruses detected on the archive. i scanned it using f-prot 
windows.
[Found virus]  
C:\AARDVARK_Tape_Backups\25jul96\sydex\dos\pc-7000.td0->(TeleDisk)
[Found virus]  
C:\AARDVARK_Tape_Backups\maslin_c_d_10apr97\ddrive 
\sydex\dos\pc-7000.td0->(TeleDisk)
[Found virus]  
C:\AARDVARK_Tape_Backups\maslin_c_d_3oct95\ddrive\ 
sydex\dos\pc-7000.td0->(TeleDisk)

Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

[Tor Arntsen]

On 22 October 2016 at 17:27, Adrian Graham  wrote:
[..]
>> Same story from me, and I also wondered about the excessive bounces -
>> because of gmail.
>
> Ditto, and ditto. I also thought it was due to the dyndns attack so just
> resubbed after emailing Jay, but if everyone did that who got an excessive
> bounce message the poor chap will have quite a full inbox.

Yes, it must have been that attack. I wasn't aware of it at the time,
probably because I rely on 8.8.4.4. DNS which was never affected.
We still need that global task force to hunt down spammers and
ddos'ers and get rid of them once and for all. Or at least inflict
some discomfort.

Re: Maslin archive "virus"? (Was: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Eric Christopherson]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Oct 2016, Sam O'nella wrote:
> > > Does that archive on classiccmp.org have the infected images removed or
> > > cleaned? (Just curious as I remember this came up in a couple other forums
> > > that I think one or two of the images did have a virus).
> > 
> > an 8080/Z80 compatible CP/M virus???
> > Or are you talking about a virus in some sort of MS-DOS image?
> > Or an MS-DOS boot sector virus that wrote itself onto the "boot sector"
> > of a non-MS-DOS format?
> 
> OK, answering my own query, I did a trivial amount of GOOGLEing, and found
> discussion that said that "Stoned" was found in TD0 images of PC-7000 MS-DOS
> 2.11.

Where is this image? I found what I think is the Maslin archive at
http://www.retroarchive.org/maslin/ but I don't see any Sharp stuff
there.

-- 
Eric Christopherson

DEC bus transceivers (was Re: Unibus disk controller with modern storage)

[David Bridgham]

On 10/22/2016 12:44 PM, shad wrote:

> What kind of bus transceivers did you used for the QSIC, specially
> because you have
> to go from 5V open-drain logic to 3.3V logic?

To add to Noel's answer, here's a picture of our current prototype board.

http://pdp10.froghouse.org/qsic/qsic-wirewrap.jpg

Coming up from the QBUS, the first two rows of chips are the bus
transceivers.  The next row and a half are the level-converters.  Then
the two large ribbon cables run off to the FPGA module we're using for
development.  The two small ribbon cables go to the indicator panel. 
Just the bus interface takes over half the area of a dual-height board! 
I've played around with laying out what might be the production board
(when I get tired of Verilog and want a mindless break, I doodle with
kicad) and I've got it down to a row of 8641 bus transceivers and a row
or two of the level-converter chips.  It's better but still a good
fraction of the entire board.

http://pdp10.froghouse.org/qsic/proto-pcb.jpg

Now I thought, what if my idea of that two MOSFET bus transceiver would
work?  What would the board look like then?

http://pdp10.froghouse.org/qsic/qsic-smt.jpg

Obviously that could be squeezed down a lot more.  Even another
transistor or two per bus line would still be fairly small.  Doing the
bus transceiver and level-conversion in one step makes a big difference.

For the QSIC, we're going to have sufficient room and we're able to find
enough old bus transceivers to continue on as we're going.  Still, I'd
sure love to have an option that used production parts and took up less
board space.

Re: Looking for HP98034 / HP9895 ROM images

[Curious Marc]

Very interested, I have one in the restore queue
Marc

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> On Oct 22, 2016, at 1:50 AM, F.Ulivi  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I'd appreciate it if you could dump the "revised" 98034 firmware.
> By the way, I'm working on R.E. of the 9895 hardware. I should have
> something useful in a few days. Is anyone interested in it? It would be
> a sort of "dump" of my notes on the hardware, nothing very polished.
> --F.Ulivi

Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

[Curious Marc]

Got the excess bounce warning and membership disabled too. Just clicked the 
link on the message to re-enable myself. Hopefully it worked, since I'm still 
here...
Marc

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Liam Proven  wrote:
> 
>> On 22 October 2016 at 17:27, Adrian Graham  
>> wrote:
>> Ditto, and ditto. I also thought it was due to the dyndns attack so just
>> resubbed after emailing Jay, but if everyone did that who got an excessive
>> bounce message the poor chap will have quite a full inbox.
> 
> Yes, me too.
> 
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Re: Altos 686/886 (i286) MFM drive parameters

[Al Kossow]

also, did the Altos Xenix 3.2F distribution floppies ever surface.
It is installed on the disks, but the images I wrote would have to be scrubbed 
of the user stuff on there.

On 10/22/16 11:55 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> micropolis 1325
> 
> --sectors 16,0 --heads 8 --cylinders 1024 --header_crc 0x,0x1021,16,0 
> --data_crc  0x,0x140a0445,32,5
> --format WD_1006 --sector_length 512
> 
> 40 meg disk in the system used a 1323, 4 heads instead of 8
> 

Re: Old versions of Emacs

[Mouse]

>>> [...skull-and-crossbones with text warning...]
>> That looks identical to the comment at the head of display.c from
>> the Gosling derivative I use.
> Yes, it's the same in the copy of Gosling Emacs I got.  I asked
> Gosling himself, and he referred me to Brian Reid.  He got it from
> Gosling in 1983, and it was modified at DEC over the years.  What
> pedigree is your copy?

I got it from a prerelase of Eunice, obtained because one of the people
behind Eunice personally knew some people at the lab I was then hanging
out at.  ("Then" is mid-'80s sometime.)  Once I started using a real
Unix (4.2c, then 4.3 shortly after that, then SunOS, then) I ripped
out the special-case Eunice code and have been maintaining (and slowly
evolving) it over the years since then.

Incidentally (and only partially releatedly), the comment means what it
says.  I once tried to rewrite that module, to teach myself how it
worked, and succeeded in nothing but slowing it down by about a factor
of some 2 to 3 and introducing assorted bugs as well.

Someday I'm going to find the time to really figure it out.

I don't know how to usefully describe what sort of version it is; that
is, I don't know what information would be useful to you.  If you can
describe a useful test, I can see what it gives

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Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Philip Pemberton]

On 22/10/16 20:21, Fred Cisin wrote:
> But "Marketing" convinced the public that Macs were IMMUNE TO GETTING
> VIRUSES!:-)

And "Engineering" (aka some teenager playing on their parents' Mac)
decided to convince Marketing that they were wrong?

And the whole scene unfolds with a tedious inevitability...

;)

Cheers,
-- 
Phil.
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http://www.philpem.me.uk/

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Sam O'nella]

I wouldn't dismiss it if you're using images or any used software. Yes some 
platforms are more susceptible than others but unless you have no hard drive, 
power your system off after every use, and never switch disks while system is 
running it's still something that can infest your originals or archive.
Dan's great collection of cpm is a good example of something that ended up 
passed around the community and had a few infected images.  Depending on 
whether it's a file, boot sector, MBr or TSR it will different and potentially 
detrimental impact.
I stopped archiving my Amiga disks but at a place I worked that had Amiga 
systems some kids brought in lots of games (some cracked) and while we didn't 
allow that it was spring break and they had finished their work. What's the 
worst that could happen? Kids slowly starting to walk up and say their computer 
says it's infected with a virus.
Probably one disk but who knows how many were infected after that. Took me 
longer just to find an antivirus for the Amiga than to get the systems cleaned 
lol but still, an unexpected pain.
One of the best preventative methods if the software doesn't need to write to 
the originals is write protect the floppy.  But buying used, who knows if the 
previous owner was computer savvy or safe.
 Original message From: Steven M Jones 
Well, glad to hear there's nothing to worry about. 

Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

[Jules Richardson]

On 10/22/2016 10:27 AM, Adrian Graham wrote:

Ditto, and ditto. I also thought it was due to the dyndns attack so just
resubbed after emailing Jay, but if everyone did that who got an excessive
bounce message the poor chap will have quite a full inbox.


Me too, apart from the emailing Jay bit. I figured I'd see if following the 
instructions in the bounce email worked first. Consider this a test post, 
if it doesn't work I'll email Jay ;)


Jules

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Fred Cisin]

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, Liam Proven wrote:

:-)
A good 5-6y or more ago I restored an old Mac Classic II a friend gave
me. I got it dual-booting System 6.0.8 and 7.1 and had both of them
online via an Asanté EtherSCSI interface. To do this involved
downloading a lot of ancient Mac software on my B G3 under OS X, and
putting it on Zip disk, then putting the Zip media in the Classic II's
SCSI Zip drive.
One of the Systems on the Classic was repurposed from another Mac and
included some ancient Mac antivirus program -- I forget which one,
maybe Disinfectant. I was glad of it, though, as it triggered and
found one of my downloads was infected with an equally ancient Mac
virus.


But "Marketing" convinced the public that Macs were IMMUNE TO GETTING 
VIRUSES!:-)

Altos 686/886 (i286) MFM drive parameters

[Al Kossow]

micropolis 1325

--sectors 16,0 --heads 8 --cylinders 1024 --header_crc 0x,0x1021,16,0 
--data_crc  0x,0x140a0445,32,5
--format WD_1006 --sector_length 512

40 meg disk in the system used a 1323, 4 heads instead of 8

Re: Blown Tantalum Capacitor Advice

[Al Kossow]

sigh.. found a series of posts in comp.sys.perq and Tony and RD Davis (RIP)
were discussing this twenty years ago :-(

where did you find the information about the guard band pattern at the ends?

On 10/9/16 10:29 AM, shad wrote:

> Then try to insert some small pieces of paper over one limit (if I'm not
> wrong the failing is the left) in place of the missing rubber, and try the
> disc, and continue to add thickness until it works.
> Then you are sure about the right limit to move.
> Then remove the paper, loosen a little the screw, but just a little so the
> limit will not move unless pushed with some strength and a screwdriver.
> Then move a very small amount towards the center and try, then repeat trial
> and error until the disc starts. Then tight the screw and it is over.
> Close the disc and voila.
> 
> Andrea
> 

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Steven M Jones]

On 10/21/2016 18:22, william degnan wrote:
> 
> Stoned Monk is still detectable by modern anti virus software, 25 or
> whatever years later, at least last time I tested using a win 7 machine.
> So, that was maybe 4 or 5 years ago.

Well, glad to hear there's nothing to worry about. Like I said, not an
area I've had to deal with (not since the 80s/early 90s, anyway).

Thanks for indulging me.
--S.

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[allison]

On 10/21/2016 09:43 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
> Certain college administrators declared that every machine that was
> infected would have to be destroyed; "it is impossible to remove the
> virus".  Have I mentioned a colleague whom they tried to terminate for
> removing machines from dumpsters?
> At UC Berkeley, agressive scanning was done in student computer labs,
> and "hundreds" of infected disks were found and DESTROYED.  ZERO
> copies were retained for ANY analysis.  Nor was even a count kept, nor
> followup to try to get students with infected disks to scan their home
> machines. 
Fred,

You nailed it, panic in the streets by people that should know better.

Back when I always though he was a criminal and behind it.

Also if anyone destroyed a drive or media with it it was out of shear
stupidity as a wipe/reformat
was all that was needed as the boot-block was not special it was just
another block on the media.
Floppies with it were bulk erased and reformatted.

My favorite formatter was my S100 crate with CP/M,  Its impossible to
give a single user OS
without background processing a virus.

I got a lot of free drives around then.  A few are still in use.

Allison

Re: Looking for HP98034 / HP9895 ROM images

[Eric Smith]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Craig Ruff  wrote:

> I’ve sent F.Ulivi the contents of the single ROM version from my 9895A,
> along with some preliminary reverse engineering work on the contents that
> I’ve done in conjunction with Eric Smith.


I've put the partially reverse-engineered 9895A firmware on Github:
https://github.com/brouhaha/hp9895fw

So far we've figured out some of the Amigo command parsing and some of the
PHI chip accesses. (PHI was an HP custom SOS chip for HP-IB.)

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[william degnan]

On Oct 21, 2016 8:30 PM, "Steven M Jones"  wrote:
>
> On 10/21/2016 14:15, william degnan wrote:
> > Any disk or archive you come upon from the early 90's should be scanned
for
> > viruses before use on a vintage machine.  USe a modern PC as it's no
biggie
> > to clean old viruses that way.  Scan before you use on an older machine,
> > scan inside of ZIP files not just the zip itself.  There were three
viruses
> > that I found years ago on the most-often seen Maslin archive set.  Old
> > stuff that's not an issue for modern machines.
>
> I didn't think modern A/V products included complete historical sets of
> signatures. I'm sure they can deal with ancient, simple bootloader
> infections and such, but at some point I'd be concerned there's a gap
> where something might be too new to be detected by the simplest
> heuristics, but too old for a more sophisticated signature to be in your
> common modern products.
>
> But this isn't something I've had to deal with. Is this an imagined
> problem, or has somebody run into this?
>
> Thx,
> --S.
>

Stoned Monk is still detectable by modern anti virus software, 25 or
whatever years later, at least last time I tested using a win 7 machine.
So, that was maybe 4 or 5 years ago.

Re: Old versions of Emacs

[Lars Brinkhoff]

Mouse  writes:
>> I seem to have stumbled upon a GNU Emacs 13.8.  I'll post this
>
>> [...skull-and-crossbones with text warning...]
>
> That looks identical to the comment at the head of display.c from the
> Gosling derivative I use.  Presumably one is derived from the other...?

Yes, it's the same in the copy of Gosling Emacs I got.  I asked Gosling
himself, and he referred me to Brian Reid.  He got it from Gosling in
1983, and it was modified at DEC over the years.  What pedigree is your
copy?

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Liam Proven]

On 22 October 2016 at 19:36, Ali  wrote:
>
> Just wondering are you guys not running AV SW on your old HW? I personally 
> run period specific AV SW on my older machines. Granted I have mostly IBM 
> 51xx series machines and later Macs so AV SW is easier to find.
>
> Since I get most of my stuff for these machines from dubious sources (e-bay, 
> garage sales, some random FTP, etc.) I never know what I am getting. So all 
> of my computers run AV of SW of some form. Biggest issue is finding the 
> latest signature DB that works on older versions of the SW. F-Prot had a DOS 
> version available until a few years ago. I am not sure if any of the AV 
> makers still have an up to date AV SW for DOS...


Well, no.

My vintage machines are, TBH, rarely powered on and I'm considering
getting rid of almost everything. I don't have my own house any more.
Most of the collection had gone already. My vague plan is to mostly
restrict it to portable/battery-powered kit from now on -- as they're
much smaller!

For things like Cambridge Z88, Psions, Amstrad NC100, Sinclair
Spectrums etc., it's academic. I'm not aware of either malware or
antimalware for them. Most don't support disk drives anyway -- or as
in the Spectrum, there were dozens and no standard, so software
couldn't adapt and none were so dominant as to be worth targeting.

I don't have more than 1-2 vintage machines able to run DOS or Windows
and mostly wouldn't want to!

The Macs should do, yes -- but then most of those are going, I'm
afraid. I don't have the space any more, and when I did, I never used
them except when fixing them up to sell. :-(

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Re: Unibus disk controller with modern storage

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: shad

> they can run linux for the software side

Maybe it's just me, but running Linux on an interface card strike me as
somewhat grotesque. It's bad enough running a far faster chip than the vintage
CPU, but... a majorly complex operating system to boot?

> I'm trying to figure if an hybrid QBUS / UNIBUS solution is possible.
> Of course one have to switch some jumper to avoid conflicts

Lots and lots and lots and lots of jumpers. The two buses are completely
unlike, pinout-wise.

And the UNIBUS board has to be a quad, and there are some QBUS chassis which
only take duals...

> What kind of bus transceivers did you used for the QSIC

We used a mix of DS8641 quad transceivers (they're still available in
reasonably good numbers for a reasonable price) and AM2908 octal latching
transceivers with a tri-state output (to allow us to have a bidirectional
internal bus for BDAL00-BDAL21 - we were trying to minimize the number of pins
needed on the FPGA to interfaces to the QBUS). But we probably will use a
different FPGA on the production boards, and all DS8641's.

> you have to go from 5V open-drain logic to 3.3V logic?

We do that with separate 74LVC7T245 level converter chips.

Noel

Weird List Post Error

[Ali]

Hmmm... I just sent a message to the list and got the following error:

"Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

  Subject:  RE: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a
complete SOL-20 system?
  Sent: 10/22/2016 10:30 AM

The following recipient(s) cannot be reached:

  'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' on 10/22/2016 10:30
AM
451 Requested action aborted: local error in processing"

Resent the message again and it went through fine. Anyone else having
trouble posting?

-Ali

RE: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Ali]

> > I didn't think modern A/V products included complete historical sets
> > of signatures. I
> 
> 
> I would certainly expect them to, yes!


Just wondering are you guys not running AV SW on your old HW? I personally run 
period specific AV SW on my older machines. Granted I have mostly IBM 51xx 
series machines and later Macs so AV SW is easier to find. 

Since I get most of my stuff for these machines from dubious sources (e-bay, 
garage sales, some random FTP, etc.) I never know what I am getting. So all of 
my computers run AV of SW of some form. Biggest issue is finding the latest 
signature DB that works on older versions of the SW. F-Prot had a DOS version 
available until a few years ago. I am not sure if any of the AV makers still 
have an up to date AV SW for DOS...

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Liam Proven]

On 22 October 2016 at 18:54, Terry Stewart  wrote:
> My copy of AVG detected the stoned virus on an old floppy on my WinXP
> machine a couple of years ago.


:-)

A good 5-6y or more ago I restored an old Mac Classic II a friend gave
me. I got it dual-booting System 6.0.8 and 7.1 and had both of them
online via an Asanté EtherSCSI interface. To do this involved
downloading a lot of ancient Mac software on my B G3 under OS X, and
putting it on Zip disk, then putting the Zip media in the Classic II's
SCSI Zip drive.

One of the Systems on the Classic was repurposed from another Mac and
included some ancient Mac antivirus program -- I forget which one,
maybe Disinfectant. I was glad of it, though, as it triggered and
found one of my downloads was infected with an equally ancient Mac
virus.

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Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Terry Stewart]

> I used to work for AVG; I can ask if you like.

My copy of AVG detected the stoned virus on an old floppy on my WinXP
machine a couple of years ago.

Terry (Tez)

Re: Unibus disk controller with modern storage

[shadoooo]

Hello Dave,
exactly!
But in place of a plain FPGA, nowadays I would choose a FPGA-ARM board, 
for example
the ZedBoard MicroZed or the Myirtech Z-turn, both of them have a Zynq 
onboard,
and they can run linux for the software side and programmable logic for 
the interface side.

Very nice and flexible.

For the development, I'm trying to figure if an hybrid QBUS / UNIBUS 
solution is possible.
Of course one have to switch some jumper to avoid conflicts, but hey, in 
the end you

would have a true universal board.

What kind of bus transceivers did you used for the QSIC, specially 
because you have

to go from 5V open-drain logic to 3.3V logic?

Thanks
Andrea


On 10/21/2016 07:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:

You mean, perhaps, something like this?

http://pdp10.froghouse.org/qsic/html/overview.html

Re: Unibus disk controller with modern storage

[shadoooo]

Hello Dave,
exactly!
But in place of a plain FPGA, nowadays I would choose a FPGA-ARM board, 
for example
the ZedBoard MicroZed or the Myirtech Z-turn, both of them have a Zynq 
onboard,
and they can run linux for the software side and programmable logic for 
the interface side.

Very nice and flexible.

For the development, I'm trying to figure if an hybrid QBUS / UNIBUS 
solution is possible.
Of course one have to switch some jumper to avoid conflicts, but hey, in 
the end you

would have a true universal board.

What kind of bus transceivers did you used for the QSIC, specially 
because you have

to go from 5V open-drain logic to 3.3V logic?

Thanks
Andrea


On 10/21/2016 07:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:

You mean, perhaps, something like this?

http://pdp10.froghouse.org/qsic/html/overview.html

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

[Liam Proven]

On 22 October 2016 at 00:05, Steven M Jones  wrote:
> I didn't think modern A/V products included complete historical sets of
> signatures. I


I would certainly expect them to, yes!

I used to work for AVG; I can ask if you like. But yes. Also, they
include malware signatures from other systems, in case of attachments
etc. which can't infect the host machine but could if passed on to one
of the target OS.

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Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

[Liam Proven]

On 22 October 2016 at 17:27, Adrian Graham  wrote:
> Ditto, and ditto. I also thought it was due to the dyndns attack so just
> resubbed after emailing Jay, but if everyone did that who got an excessive
> bounce message the poor chap will have quite a full inbox.

Yes, me too.

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MOTD: It is amazing how many ways you can make mistakes with 32-bit instructions

[Paul Birkel]

Published in the National Computer Conference, 1976.  Full quote:

 

"He bought an RPC-4000 "at a graveyard-type disposal sale," and later noted,
"My RPC is working but I can't get an assembly program more than two-thirds
loaded. This produces lots of messages telling me my programs are bad" I
suspect some memory aberrations, but the memory print routine won't print
either. So I have been trying to write a simpler routine of my own in
machine language. That is a drag. It is amazing how many ways you can make
mistakes with 32-bit instructions." "

 

Also memorable:

 

"An Indiana hobbyist bought a Univac 0 File Computer as scrap, with
arithmetic unit, program-control unit, 90-column reader/punch, sort-collate
unit, tape-drive program controller, and six magnetic-tape units. The new
owner says, "I had figured to use the outside winter air to get it turned on
and see what I've got, and just close down in summer. As to space, not too
bad: only about 400 or 500 square feet, pretty compact. I'm presently having
220 V installed to begin to turn on some of it."

 

And *we* think that we have it tough :->.

 

From:
https://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/afips/1976/5084/00/50840235.pdf

 

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Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

[Adrian Graham]

On 22/10/2016 12:10, "Torfinn Ingolfsen"  wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Tor Arntsen  wrote:
>> On 22 October 2016 at 04:07, Sam O'nella  wrote:
>>> Just curious, I probably could have just asked Jay but incase this was wider
>>> spread I received a message that my subscription at my Gmail was suspended
>>> due to bounces. I was wondering if that may have been only today and more
>>> widespread from the Dyn dns ddos that happened? If so others may want to
>>> double check for similar issues as I probably missed some messages today.
>>> No biggie, just a PSA if it affected more than myself.
>> 
>> Same here. Got an 'excessive bounces' message and I had to
>> re-subscribe. And the posting I did just before probably went to
>> /dev/null.. How on earth can one have 'excessive bounces' from a
>> _gmail_ address? I've never had any email bounced from gmail, ever.
> 
> Same story from me, and I also wondered about the excessive bounces -
> because of gmail.

Ditto, and ditto. I also thought it was due to the dyndns attack so just
resubbed after emailing Jay, but if everyone did that who got an excessive
bounce message the poor chap will have quite a full inbox.

-- 
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?

Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Tor Arntsen  wrote:
> On 22 October 2016 at 04:07, Sam O'nella  wrote:
>> Just curious, I probably could have just asked Jay but incase this was wider 
>> spread I received a message that my subscription at my Gmail was suspended 
>> due to bounces. I was wondering if that may have been only today and more 
>> widespread from the Dyn dns ddos that happened? If so others may want to 
>> double check for similar issues as I probably missed some messages today.
>> No biggie, just a PSA if it affected more than myself.
>
> Same here. Got an 'excessive bounces' message and I had to
> re-subscribe. And the posting I did just before probably went to
> /dev/null.. How on earth can one have 'excessive bounces' from a
> _gmail_ address? I've never had any email bounced from gmail, ever.

Same story from me, and I also wondered about the excessive bounces -
because of gmail.

-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

Re: Old versions of Emacs

[Mouse]

> I seem to have stumbled upon a GNU Emacs 13.8.  I'll post this
> src/display.c snippet as evidence:

> [...skull-and-crossbones with text warning...]

That looks identical to the comment at the head of display.c from the
Gosling derivative I use.  Presumably one is derived from the other...?

/~\ The ASCII Mouse
\ / Ribbon Campaign
 X  Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org
/ \ Email!   7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39  4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

Re: Looking for HP98034 / HP9895 ROM images

[F.Ulivi]

Ah, by the way, I've already asked for 98034 firmware to the owner of
hp9845.net site. He should be working on the dump.
--F.Ulivi

Re: Looking for HP98034 / HP9895 ROM images

[F.Ulivi]

Thanks, I'd appreciate it if you could dump the "revised" 98034 firmware.
By the way, I'm working on R.E. of the 9895 hardware. I should have
something useful in a few days. Is anyone interested in it? It would be
a sort of "dump" of my notes on the hardware, nothing very polished.
--F.Ulivi

Re: Excessive bounce notices?

[drlegendre .]

FWIW, this was the first time for me, far as I can recall.. if it has
occurred previously, it's so uncommon that I haven't noticed it.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 2:01 AM, Rob Jarratt 
wrote:

>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> > drlegendre .
> > Sent: 22 October 2016 07:10
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> > 
> > Subject: Re: Excessive bounce notices?
> >
> > Had the notice here, can confirm.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:01 AM, jim stephens  wrote:
> >
> > > maybe the bounces from the DDNS attack today?  Wouldn't be surprised.
> > > It was that serious.  8.8.8.8 may not have had problems, but anyone
> > > else using something from the attacked DNS provider would have come up
> > > gooseeggs, and maybe that bounced a lot of stuff the list sent out.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > On 10/21/2016 7:29 PM, Jay West wrote:
> > >
> > >> 100% of the sub disabled was in the @gmail.com domain, for domainkeys
> > >> according to the message.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
>
> I get disabled once a week with clockwork regularity for excessive
> bounces. Although I re-enable myself as soon as I see the message, it makes
> me wonder if I end up missing interesting posts.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
>

RE: Excessive bounce notices?

[Rob Jarratt]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> drlegendre .
> Sent: 22 October 2016 07:10
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> 
> Subject: Re: Excessive bounce notices?
> 
> Had the notice here, can confirm.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:01 AM, jim stephens  wrote:
> 
> > maybe the bounces from the DDNS attack today?  Wouldn't be surprised.
> > It was that serious.  8.8.8.8 may not have had problems, but anyone
> > else using something from the attacked DNS provider would have come up
> > gooseeggs, and maybe that bounced a lot of stuff the list sent out.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jim
> >
> > On 10/21/2016 7:29 PM, Jay West wrote:
> >
> >> 100% of the sub disabled was in the @gmail.com domain, for domainkeys
> >> according to the message.
> >>
> >
> >


I get disabled once a week with clockwork regularity for excessive bounces. 
Although I re-enable myself as soon as I see the message, it makes me wonder if 
I end up missing interesting posts.

Regards

Rob

Re: Excessive bounce notices?

[drlegendre .]

Had the notice here, can confirm.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:01 AM, jim stephens  wrote:

> maybe the bounces from the DDNS attack today?  Wouldn't be surprised.  It
> was that serious.  8.8.8.8 may not have had problems, but anyone else using
> something from the attacked DNS provider would have come up gooseeggs, and
> maybe that bounced a lot of stuff the list sent out.
>
> Thanks
> Jim
>
> On 10/21/2016 7:29 PM, Jay West wrote:
>
>> 100% of the sub disabled was in the @gmail.com domain, for domainkeys
>> according to the message.
>>
>
>