http://www.unlambda.com/index.php?n=Main.Cadr
I mean other LOD bands, for later versions.
It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk once stated:
>
>> From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>
>> No even the following program:
>> int main (void) { return 0; }
>> is guaranteed to work
>
>I'm missing something: why not?
It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt once stated:
>It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated:
>> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>>
>> > No even the following program:
>> > int main (void) { return 0; }
>>
On 04/12/2017 03:17 PM, allison via cctalk wrote:
>
> What the heck its religion. So here's my stir...
>
> BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly
> every micro and many other systems.
>
> Seriously it is a suck language but it gets work done.
No kidding. I'm sure
I like the MICRAL 808 computer... if you have never seen one folks
check out this link!
Ed#
http://history-computer.com/ModernComputer/Personal/Micral.html
In a message dated 4/12/2017 10:15:49 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>From earlest d
>From earlest days:
Here in France and saw a Micral…Now there’s a classic computer.
Originated in 1973; 8008 :) :)
Happy computing all!
Murray :)
On 04/12/2017 05:33 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Sean Conner via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I'm having a hard time with that too. I mean, pedantically, it
>> should be:
>>
>> #include
>> int main(void) { return EXIT
On 04/12/2017 12:41 PM, Warner Losh via cctech wrote:
> For you and me both. I was getting read errors on my RX-50, so I
> tried to swap in a new drive, and now that's all I get as well. Guess
> I'll have to figure out another way to get the Venix/86R disks
> copied.
Got a PC with a 5.25" HD driv
I know most don't get it but I like Forth because it is easy to follow the
program flow and easy to test. C has too much boilerplate to solve the problem
of not being able to use white space to keep things organized.
One uses Forth like a combination assembler and high level language. Most all
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Scott Kevill via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Descriptions are in French, but Google Translate works well enough.
>
> Model I Buffered EI Cable (40 to 40 pin):
> http://prof-80.fr/carte-tandy-1700077-c/buffered-ei-cable
> http://prof-80.fr/carte-tandy-
Descriptions are in French, but Google Translate works well enough.
Model I Buffered EI Cable (40 to 40 pin):
http://prof-80.fr/carte-tandy-1700077-c/buffered-ei-cable
http://prof-80.fr/carte-tandy-1700077-c/buffered-ei-cable/prototype-buffer-expansion
(Schematics and Gerbers available)
Model I P
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Sean Conner via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Yeah, I'm having a hard time with that too. I mean, pedantically, it
> should be:
>
> #include
> int main(void) { return EXIT_SUCCESS; }
>
> where EXIT_SUCCESS is 0 on every plaform except
I’m glad to hear that you still have some possibilities there. I’ve go nothing
on mine. I guess I’ll have to start looking for another RX-50 disk drive
controller board. Since those are as scarce as the memory expansion boards,
I’m not very hopeful.
Guess it’ll be time to sell the parts on e
Thanks! I have another experiment to try, but need some parts for
that, so it will have to wait until they arrive. the unit has been a
bit flakey this time, so I don't know if I need a new controller
board, new RX-50 or a new power supply. Or a ROM refresh
Warner
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:47
I guess it doesn’t make any difference now. I reassembled the computer and now
I get a message 28 “RX50 Controller Board" failure during POST.
I’ve taken it apart and put it back together several times, but I cannot clear
the failure. This really has been a bad day!
smp
--
Stephen M. Pereira
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Stephen Pereira
wrote:
> Thanks for your response.
>
> Just to be certain, I just tore it all down and reconfirmed, in case my
> memory was playing any tricks.
>
> I have a PC-100B with no expansion card.
>
> Thanks again for the advice.
Bummer. The cards come up
Wow. Since misery loves company, I guess we make a great pair today!
Good luck with your equipment!
smp
--
Stephen M. Pereira
Bedford, NH 03110
KB1SXE
> On Apr 12, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
>
> For you and me both. I was getting read errors on my RX-50, so I tried
> to swap in a n
For you and me both. I was getting read errors on my RX-50, so I tried
to swap in a new drive, and now that's all I get as well. Guess I'll
have to figure out another way to get the Venix/86R disks copied.
Warner
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Stephen Pereira
wrote:
> I guess it doesn’t make a
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
of which I don't know. It is a 40 pin to 50 pin ribbon cable with a
black box connecting them that is labeled TANDY. I know of nothing
the Tandy made that used a 50 pin connector other than a hard disk.
>
> On Wed, 12 A
> > So, I just picked up an MISE from Bartlett Labs (cause I really liked
> > the M3SE I had) and decided to revive one of my TRS-80 MOdel I's.
> > In my box of "stuff" I found an interesting ribbon cable the function
> > of which I don't know. It is a 40 pin to 50 pin ribbon cable with a
> > blac
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, Adrian Stoness wrote:
Modicon, ge faunic, Allen Bradly, Allen Heath, hewert Rand, Siemens, abb,
idec, square d, some I know I'm forgeting
You don't "program" an STL file. It's a 3D object layout for a 3D printed
part. :)
(also, don't top post!)
g.
--
Proud owner of F
of which I don't know. It is a 40 pin to 50 pin ribbon cable with a
black box connecting them that is labeled TANDY. I know of nothing
the Tandy made that used a 50 pin connector other than a hard disk.
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, Parent Allison via cctalk wrote:
Maybe...
The only device I know of l
Thanks for your response.
Just to be certain, I just tore it all down and reconfirmed, in case my memory
was playing any tricks.
I have a PC-100B with no expansion card.
Thanks again for the advice.
smp
--
Stephen M. Pereira
Bedford, NH 03110
KB1SXE
> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Warner Losh
I use SDL daily... But my SDL is DEC¹s Structure Definition Language, a
language to define structures and export them to be used in Macro-32,
Bliss, and C.
Kind regards,
Camiel Vanderhoeven
OpenVMS Kernel Engineer
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|V|M|S| Software
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VMS Software, Inc.
Research & Development Depart
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Stephen Pereira via cctech
wrote:
> I’m looking for expansion memory for my DEC Rainbow.
>
> I currently have 128K RAM, and I’d like to have 256K RAM, so I can actually
> use the Lotus 1-2-3 that I recently purchased (without thinking).
>
> Any suggestions?
So i
I’m looking for expansion memory for my DEC Rainbow.
I currently have 128K RAM, and I’d like to have 256K RAM, so I can actually use
the Lotus 1-2-3 that I recently purchased (without thinking).
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
smp
—
Stephen M. Pereira
Bedford, NH 03110
KB1SXE
On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Alexandre Souza via cctalk
wrote:
>
That cable had the same connector on both ends and labels! The later version
added a pair
of cables with 5pin connectors. Later they redesigned the EI to work right as
the early
versions were timing critical for the Dram
On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Tony Duell via cctalk
wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
> wrote:
>>
>> So, I just picked up an MISE from Bartlett Labs (cause I really liked
>> the M3SE I had) and decided to revive one of my TRS-80 MOdel I's.
>> In my box of "s
http://www.unlambda.com/index.php?n=Main.Cadr
On 4/12/17 7:50 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk wrote:
> Anyone seen or got any?
>
On 4/12/2017 10:15 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
All computer computer languages are only as good or bad as the person
using them.
I suspect today that few people map any computer langauges to real
hardware other than virtual machines.
Rod
Ben.
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Sean Conner via cctalk
wrote:
> It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt once stated:
>>It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated:
>>> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>>>
>>> > No even the following program:
>>
On 4/12/2017 9:08 AM, Norman Jaffe via cctalk wrote:
Assembler is a sports car kit.
More like the VW BUG. It gets you there, but needs more
...
I suspect C was successful just because the 11 could handle
characters cleanly.
Ben.
It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt once stated:
>It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated:
>> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>>
>> > No even the following program:
>> > int main (void) { return 0; }
>> > is guaranteed to
Modicon, ge faunic, Allen Bradly, Allen Heath, hewert Rand, Siemens, abb,
idec, square d, some I know I'm forgeting
On Apr 12, 2017 12:54 PM, "geneb via cctalk" wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
> You might find more fertile ground plowing the plctalk.net forum when
>
It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk once stated:
>
>> From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>
>> No even the following program:
>> int main (void) { return 0; }
>> is guaranteed to work
>
>I'm missing something: why not?
>
> It boils down to pedant
I think a better question is "Why do you choose to write C (or any other
language)?"
I can speak for myself--I can't say for sure, but I've written at least
hundreds of thousands of line of assembly (not "assembler", please!)
language, much of it on mainframes, back when mainframes were fairly
slo
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
You might find more fertile ground plowing the plctalk.net forum when
your questions relate to the STL/SCL/FBD/LAD/CSF area.
FWIW, "STL" in Siemens-talk is an acronym for "Statement List". Why it
isn't "SL" is anyone's guess.
I kept trying t
On 04/11/2017 07:03 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote:
> The Balkanized nature of programming is interesting.
>
> I make a comment about C and get a flurry of responses, but ask a
> question about a programming language that is also very common for
> machine control and get no response at all
On 04/12/2017 09:46 AM, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote:
> Anyone with access to a distribution of SDT (Telelogik's SDL
> programming system) for old era SunOS 4 ? I have a SS10 which is a
> beggar for SDT (or KEE or Frame.)
Well, there you go--another reason for the tower of Babel. STL, at
fir
Charles Dickman wrote:
> The puzzling (and frustrating) thing about these industrial control
> languages is how primitive they are. There is lots of talk about IIoT
> and Industry 4.0, but at the bottom much of it is essentially handed
> written machine code.
Well, I still get to program in ladder
It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated:
> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>
> > No even the following program:
> > int main (void) { return 0; }
> > is guaranteed to work
>
> I'm missing something: why not?
Yeah, I'm having a h
> From: Alfred M. Szmidt
> No even the following program:
> int main (void) { return 0; }
> is guaranteed to work
I'm missing something: why not?
It boils down to pedantism. The encoding of the above is ASCII, and
the encoding type of a C program is implementat
On 4/12/2017 11:45 AM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
> Isn't this the buffered expansion cable?
>
No, the buffered Expansion Interface cable is 40 pin to 40 pin
and very short. This is 3 feet long which would be a disaster
for the EI. :-)
bill
Anyone with access to a distribution of SDT (Telelogik's SDL programming
system) for old era SunOS 4 ?
I have a SS10 which is a beggar for SDT (or KEE or Frame.)
ons 2017-04-12 klockan 10:57 -0400 skrev Noel Chiappa via cctalk:
> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>
> > No even the following program:
> > int main (void) { return 0; }
> > is guaranteed to work
>
> I'm missing something: why not?
>
> Noel
>
If the compiler doesn't have ANS
Weighing in on the C vs. assembler subthread: modern processors are like
exotic sportscars, in that pretty much anyone can drive the thing to the
corner grocery but it takes a lot of skill to get the best performance out
of it. Load/store superscalar architectures benefit enormously from
various t
On 12/04/2017 16:08, Norman Jaffe via cctalk wrote:
Assembler is a sports car kit.
From: "cctalk"
To: "cctalk"
Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:57:07 AM
Subject: Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?
From: Alfred M. Szmidt
No even the following program:
It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated:
> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>
> > No even the following program:
> > int main (void) { return 0; }
> > is guaranteed to work
>
> I'm missing something: why not?
Yeah, I'm having a hard time with that too. I
Isn't this the buffered expansion cable?
2017-04-12 12:31 GMT-03:00 Tony Duell via cctalk :
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > So, I just picked up an MISE from Bartlett Labs (cause I really liked
> > the M3SE I had) and decided to revive one of my TR
Herd of it
Siemens has destroyed so many good products by buying them out blah
On Apr 11, 2017 9:03 PM, "Charles Dickman via cctalk"
wrote:
> The Balkanized nature of programming is interesting.
>
> I make a comment about C and get a flurry of responses, but ask a
> question about a program
If I recall correctly, as you've noted it was a WaveLAN / Orinoco silver
card ('HERMES' chipset), connected via PCMCIA to a SBC based around an AMD
ELAN SC400 - 33AC 486-like CPU. It had something like a couple megs of RAM
and maybe 512K of FLASH. I don't know what OS it ran, if anything 'off the
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
>
> So, I just picked up an MISE from Bartlett Labs (cause I really liked
> the M3SE I had) and decided to revive one of my TRS-80 MOdel I's.
> In my box of "stuff" I found an interesting ribbon cable the function
> of which I don'
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 09:08:53AM -0600, Norman Jaffe via cctalk wrote:
>Assembler is a sports car kit.
I'd say it's more like a motorcycle -- it does the most with the least
and it's SO FUN to ride. But if you don't know how, it seems impossible,
and safety is entirely your problem.
John Wils
Assembler is a sports car kit.
From: "cctalk"
To: "cctalk"
Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:57:07 AM
Subject: Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?
> From: Alfred M. Szmidt
> No even the following program:
> int main (void) { return 0; }
> is guara
> From: Alfred M. Szmidt
> No even the following program:
> int main (void) { return 0; }
> is guaranteed to work
I'm missing something: why not?
Noel
PS: There probably is something to the sports car analogy, but I'm not going
to take a position on that one! :-) Inter
So, I just picked up an MISE from Bartlett Labs (cause I really liked
the M3SE I had) and decided to revive one of my TRS-80 MOdel I's.
In my box of "stuff" I found an interesting ribbon cable the function
of which I don't know. It is a 40 pin to 50 pin ribbon cable with a
black box connecting th
Anyone seen or got any?
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On 4/11/2017 10:59 PM, Evan Koblentz via cctalk wrote:
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Help if you can.
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On 2017-04-12 12:11, Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote:
>> C is like sports cars: A lot of people want them, some can afford them
>> but very few can actually drive them.
>
> I completely disagree. That is just a made-up comparision. E.g.: C
> compilers are for the most part free (as in 'gratis') the
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> I don't think that you're being quite fair. There are boatloads of
> specialized application programming languages--I rarely pay attention to
> any of them, figuring that after your first dozen or so, it's easy
> enough to add ano
“C” is successful because it is evil.
It is so easy to write a piece of dirty code that will do the job in hand, on
the current platform, that is devoid of error checking but which gets the jobs
done.
It becomes evil when the code is re-purposed from a one off into production
code.
> C is like sports cars: A lot of people want them, some can afford them
> but very few can actually drive them.
I completely disagree. That is just a made-up comparision. E.g.: C
compilers are for the most part free (as in 'gratis') these days. And
there a probably more competent C programmers ar
> if it's not portable then it might as well be assembly and get the
> benefits that come with that.
Sorry, I don't agree. It _is_ possible to write portable code, but even
ignoring that, the benfits of writing in a higher-level language (good
control structures, complex exp
> > if it's not portable then it might as well be assembly and get the
> > benefits that come with that.
>
> Sorry, I don't agree. It _is_ possible to write portable code, but even
> ignoring that, the benfits of writing in a higher-level language (good
> control structures, complex expre
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