Re: Unknown boards

2017-06-16 Thread dwight via cctalk
oops. the 4 flops are upper left. Dwight From: dwight Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:31:15 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Unknown boards The board in the bottom center is 6 buffers or inverters. The

Re: Unknown boards

2017-06-16 Thread dwight via cctalk
The board in the bottom center is 6 buffers or inverters. The upper right is 4 flipflops. The upper right is some type of decoder( maybe an address or something ). The bottom right is a clock generator and the one on the lower left looks to be a massive gate, nor or nands depending on the

Re: Unknown boards

2017-06-16 Thread Dominique Carlier via cctalk
This reminds me the 5 boards that were in the back of my Uniservo 10/14 and which were the terminators (to put on the last tape drive connected to the main controller). Maybe these boards have a similar function? On 16/06/2017 19:02, william degnan via cctech wrote: I checked and they are no

Re: Unknown boards

2017-06-16 Thread william degnan via cctalk
I checked and they are no GE 4000 system boards. On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Jon Elson via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 06/16/2017 09:31 AM, David Gesswein via cctech wrote: > >> Can anyone identify these boards? Person I got them from can't >> remember >> anything about

Re: Unknown boards

2017-06-16 Thread dwight via cctalk
I like the Elgin clock module. I didn't know they made electronic time pieces. I'd guess the board is a clock generator. Dwight From: cctech on behalf of william degnan via cctech Sent: Friday, June 16,

Re: Where to send scans for publishing and preservation - Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote: > > I have always pondered... > Which will last the eternity? > Archive.org > Or... > CHM? > .. > You might also see about places to leave > copies at Living Computer Museum > and others. Lets face it, with

Re: Unknown boards

2017-06-16 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 06/16/2017 06:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 06/16/2017 02:40 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote: don't think it is any GE 100 200 400 or 600 series. nor any of the early process control computers either. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) Perhaps not a computer, but a controller?

Re: Fairchild F8

2017-06-16 Thread Mark Linimon via cctalk
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:54:55AM +1000, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: > So, I've just joined and put up a few docs this Saturday morning... > https://archive.org/details/@galasphere347 ooh, F8 stuff. My pile of that is on my to-do list for this summer. There may still be a chip in a

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Gene suggested: > Instead of that, why not just upload the scans to the Internet Archive? I > suspect they'd love to have the material. > > g. Thanks for that! After grabbing this-that-theother off archive.org, it had never really occurred to me to actually join and upload bits and pieces of

Re: Where to send scans for publishing and preservation - Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Ed via cctalk
I have always pondered... Which will last the eternity? Archive.org Or... CHM? Of course, the best plan is to stash stuff at all the archiving facilities. Geographically diverse storage has always been a favorite topic of our. NOTE!> Make it clear, on your passing, that material or copies

Re: Where to send scans for publishing and preservation - Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Jason Scott via cctalk
Archive.org will take all your scans no questions asked. Mail me if you need assistance. On Jun 16, 2017 11:47 AM, "Toby Thain via cctalk" wrote: > On 2017-06-16 1:40 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Rob Jarratt >>

Re: Unknown boards

2017-06-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 06/16/2017 02:40 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote: > don't think it is any GE 100 200 400 or 600 series. nor any of > the early process control computers either. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ > (http://www.smecc.org) Perhaps not a computer, but a controller? I'm thinking of things of that time like the

Re: Unknown boards

2017-06-16 Thread Ed via cctalk
don't think it is any GE 100 200 400 or 600 series. nor any of the early process control computers either. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 6/16/2017 8:19:05 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I'd guess something from the GE

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Ed via cctalk
Alan and others - Yes I like the colored covers on things also. many are cool to put in displays or just frame and put on the wall. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 6/16/2017 11:21:26 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: >

Sun2 replacement keyboard?

2017-06-16 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
Hi folks, Does anyone know if the Sun2 can take a Sun3 keyboard with an adapter? Is the signaling the same? Otherwise, does someone have one I might be able to buy? Same question applies to the mouse. Thanks, - Ian -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: DEC MINC in center Germany

2017-06-16 Thread Ian S. King via cctalk
I have some disks - but my MINC is a bit buried at the moment. :-) Contact me privately if nothing else works out, and I'll try to get to where I could make you some copies. -- Ian On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:18 AM, jim stephens via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 6/10/2017

Where to send scans for publishing and preservation - Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2017-06-16 1:40 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I have therefore come to the conclusion that people don't want my scans (for whatever reason). And I am not going to waste my time scanning manuals as a

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 07:20, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > >> On 16 June 2017 at 16:17, Alan Perry via cctalk >> wrote: >> that it was in an inappropriate format and that I was "wasting everybody's >> time". > > That's not good. What

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: > >> I have therefore come to the conclusion that people don't want my scans (for >> whatever reason). And I am not going to waste my time scanning manuals as a >> result. So no Philips P800 schematics, etc. >> > > >

RE: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
I have had multiple interesting and useful answers. Thanks everyone. I checked on VMS 7.3 and there is no COPY/IMAGE there. BACKUP/IMAGE had been my first thought, but it won't accept a tape as the source of the image data unfortunately. I have a TZ30, so I will try that on Ultrix. I will also

RE: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> I have therefore come to the conclusion that people don't want my scans (for > whatever reason). And I am not going to waste my time scanning manuals as a > result. So no Philips P800 schematics, etc. > I would suggest that it is not a waste of time at all. If BitSavers won't have them

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: I have therefore come to the conclusion that people don't want my scans (for whatever reason). And I am not going to waste my time scanning manuals as a result. So no Philips P800 schematics, etc. Instead of that, why not just upload the scans

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Robert DiRosario via cctalk
You could remove the disk from your Ultrix box, install another diskand install NetBSD.  The Pmax version works on the DEC MIPS boxes:http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/pmax/.  You could also do that on your DECAlpha. The TK50Z should be a SCSI drive, you could also just move the drive to another

Unknown boards

2017-06-16 Thread David Gesswein via cctalk
Can anyone identify these boards? Person I got them from can't remember anything about them. http://www.pdp8online.com/ftp/misc/unknown_boards/ Date codes of 1964. Size 4.5"x3.25". Looks like used card edge for keying but has separate 23 pin connector for electrical connection. No useful

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
I used a TZ30 under Linux. I found that the TZ30 mechanism is significantly less troublesome than the TK50 (IIRC the TK50Z is the same mechanism with a SCSI interface board). Used an Adaptec AHA-1522 ISA SCSI controller. FWIW, my TK50 cartridges seemed to be suffering from tape stickiness. 30

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 16 June 2017 at 16:17, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > that it was in an inappropriate format and that I was "wasting everybody's > time". That's not good. What format did you use, JOOI? -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk •

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 23:11, Lyle Bickley via cctech > wrote: > > > > Having volunteered with Collections (cataloging, etc.), I know that one > session at VCF would be insufficient to qualify someone to properly > handle and copy documents to museum standards. In

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:38 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk > wrote: > > That's the whole point scanning _will_ preserve the archive because it won't > need to be handled. > They didn't even bother too make back up Xerox copies. You seem to imply they > are professional.

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Ed Thierbach via cctalk
BACKUP/IMAGE might work. I have a dim recollection of moving system drives around that way, but it's been a few decades. :-) Best of luck, and let us know how it goes. -Ed- On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On Jun 16, 2017, at 3:00

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 3:00 AM, Chris Hanson via cctalk > wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk > wrote: >> >> Is there a dd equivalent for VMS? > > I’m pretty sure PIP is the “dd” equivalent on DEC operating systems in

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:00:00AM -0700, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: > On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Is there a dd equivalent for VMS? > > I’m pretty sure PIP is the “dd” equivalent on DEC operating systems in > general. >

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: > > Is there a dd equivalent for VMS? I’m pretty sure PIP is the “dd” equivalent on DEC operating systems in general. -- Chris

dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
Is there a dd equivalent for VMS? Background: I am trying to recover some TK50 tapes that were written on Ultrix. I have a MIPS machine with Ultrix 4.5 on it and a TK50Z drive. I have been able to read some tapes but they all seem to get an I/O error after a while of reading. I think

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 06:27:57PM +, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: > > More things have been accidentally damaged or destroyed by enthusiastic > amateurs than have ever been preserved with proper provenance, cataloguing, > and care. > I've seen this first hand, it is quite depressing.

Re: DEC archives

2017-06-16 Thread Lyle Bickley via cctalk
On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 23:45:37 -0500 Sam O'nella via cctalk wrote: > Ok revising my overly simple thought of vounteers showing up.  What > about a class on document archival at VCFw (or other) and then an > archive party? Not trying to push a non-issue, but if that gets past