Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 06/22/2017 09:48 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Sam O'nella wrote:
> 
>> The assumptions pouring in could use a quick follow up. Date joke 
>> aside, did they already try reading them? My guess would be yes
>> hence the recovery request possibly needing flux or more advanced
>> recovery.
> 
> The gentleman with the disks does not have a machine with a 5-1/4" 
> drive, hence the request.


Thanks for the clarification, Mike.   I suspect that any vintage PC
hobbyist in the area could probably perform a simple copy.  Try posting
on Erik's Vintage Computer Federation list.  Conversion of the data can
come later--there are lots of options.

This should be easy, even for the people who do nothing but play games
on their old systems.

--Chuck

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Mike Loewen via cctalk]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Sam O'nella wrote:

The assumptions pouring in could use a quick follow up. Date joke aside, 
did they already try reading them? My guess would be yes hence the 
recovery request possibly needing flux or more advanced recovery.


   The gentleman with the disks does not have a machine with a 5-1/4" 
drive, hence the request.



Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology  http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Sam O'nella via cctalk]

The assumptions pouring in could use a quick follow up. Date joke aside, did 
they already try reading them? My guess would be yes hence the recovery request 
possibly needing flux or more advanced recovery.
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Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 06/22/2017 07:18 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>>> I was contacted by a faculty member at the University of Alabama 
>>> (Tuscaloosa) who is looking for help in recovering files from
>>> some 5-1/4" diskettes.  The diskettes are from the 1989-1892 time
>>> frame...

> 
> That was all before my time, so I have to rely on accounts by
> others.

I assumed that the first date was a typo.

--Chuck

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

I was contacted by a faculty member at the University of Alabama
(Tuscaloosa) who is looking for help in recovering files from some
5-1/4" diskettes.  The diskettes are from the 1989-1892 time frame...


On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

An eyewitness account of the Second Franco-Dahomean War?


1892 would probably not be 5.25" disks.
Probably a Hollerith code, since that was 2 years into the census.
round holes, 12 rows, 24 columns, 3" x 5.5"
(later, they went to 3.25" x 7.375")

That was all before my time, so I have to rely on accounts by others.

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Geoff Oltmans via cctalk]

I'm in Huntsville Alabama but that's not exactly next door to Tuscaloosa. I'd 
be surprised if there wasn't someone in Tuscaloosa with the capability to read 
these disks, but I could probably help if they can't find anyone closer. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2017, at 8:26 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  
wrote:

 CORRECTION:
 OpenOffice claims to READ WP files, but not SAVE to those formats.
> 
>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
>>  Guys, let's not let this degenerate into a disk tool debate.  It's quite 
>> likely that these are vanilla 1.2MB MSDOS diskettes, easily read by anyone 
>> with a system with the requisite drive.  I could do it myself, but I thought 
>> I'd see if there's anyone closer (I'm in PA).
> 
> If it will help any, here's a correction to my correction -
> a discussion of some extra efforts that need to be made with specific 
> versions, as WP file support is indeed waning:
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7=61838
> 
> 

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 06/22/2017 01:27 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
> 
> I was contacted by a faculty member at the University of Alabama 
> (Tuscaloosa) who is looking for help in recovering files from some 
> 5-1/4" diskettes.  The diskettes are from the 1989-1892 time frame...

An eyewitness account of the Second Franco-Dahomean War?

--Chuck

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 06/22/2017 01:27 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
> 
> I was contacted by a faculty member at the University of Alabama 
> (Tuscaloosa) who is looking for help in recovering files from some 
> 5-1/4" diskettes.  The diskettes are from the 1989-1892 time frame...

An eyewitness account of the Second Franco-Dahomean War?

--Chuck

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

CORRECTION:
OpenOffice claims to READ WP files, but not SAVE to those formats.


On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
  Guys, let's not let this degenerate into a disk tool debate.  It's quite 
likely that these are vanilla 1.2MB MSDOS diskettes, easily read by anyone 
with a system with the requisite drive.  I could do it myself, but I thought 
I'd see if there's anyone closer (I'm in PA).


If it will help any, here's a correction to my correction -
a discussion of some extra efforts that need to be made with specific 
versions, as WP file support is indeed waning:

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7=61838

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Which brings it all down to:
"How do you read 5.25" MS-DOS disks?"


On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Warner Losh wrote:

kryoflux is how I've read the ones that I've found...


In the unlikely event that they happen to be Victor 9000/Sirius,
then send them to Warner.



--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

RE: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Mike Loewen via 
cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:12 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> CORRECTION:
>> OpenOffice claims to READ WP files, but not SAVE to those formats.
>>
>>
>> Which brings it all down to:
>> "How do you read 5.25" MS-DOS disks?"
>>
>
> kryoflux is how I've read the ones that I've found...

Guys, let's not let this degenerate into a disk tool debate.  It's
quite likely that these are vanilla 1.2MB MSDOS diskettes, easily read
by anyone with a system with the requisite drive.  I could do it myself,
but I thought I'd see if there's anyone closer (I'm in PA).


___

Funny that.  So am I.

bill

RE: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Warner Losh via 
cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:04 PM
To: Fred Cisin; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> CORRECTION:
> OpenOffice claims to READ WP files, but not SAVE to those formats.
>
>
> Which brings it all down to:
> "How do you read 5.25" MS-DOS disks?"
>

kryoflux is how I've read the ones that I've found...



Isn't that kinda overkill??

bill

RE: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Fred Cisin via cctalk 
[cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:39 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

CORRECTION:
OpenOffice claims to READ WP files, but not SAVE to those formats.


Which brings it all down to:
"How do you read 5.25" MS-DOS disks?"


_

Insert them into a 5.25" drive on any of my many systems.  :-)

bill

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Mike Loewen via cctalk]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:


On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:


CORRECTION:
OpenOffice claims to READ WP files, but not SAVE to those formats.


Which brings it all down to:
"How do you read 5.25" MS-DOS disks?"



kryoflux is how I've read the ones that I've found...


   Guys, let's not let this degenerate into a disk tool debate.  It's 
quite likely that these are vanilla 1.2MB MSDOS diskettes, easily read 
by anyone with a system with the requisite drive.  I could do it myself, 
but I thought I'd see if there's anyone closer (I'm in PA).



Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology  http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Warner Losh via cctalk]

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> CORRECTION:
> OpenOffice claims to READ WP files, but not SAVE to those formats.
>
>
> Which brings it all down to:
> "How do you read 5.25" MS-DOS disks?"
>

kryoflux is how I've read the ones that I've found...

Warner

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

CORRECTION:
OpenOffice claims to READ WP files, but not SAVE to those formats.


Which brings it all down to:
"How do you read 5.25" MS-DOS disks?"

Re: File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
  I was contacted by a faculty member at the University of Alabama 
(Tuscaloosa) who is looking for help in recovering files from some 5-1/4" 
diskettes.  The diskettes are from the 1989-1892 time frame, and most likely 
contain WordPerfect files.  If there's anyone in the area who would be 
willing to help, contact me off-list and I'll put you in touch with him. 
Thanks!


95+% chance that it is WordPerfect 5.x on 1.2M or 360K diskettes.
If the 1989-1892 (sic) time frame is accurate, then most likely 1.2M.
(if 1892, then it is not likely to be 5.25" disks)

Conversion (not even really "recovery") would consist of any PC with a 
5.25" drive to copy the files to thumb drive.

Then, need a version of WORD,
or of WordPerfect For Windows.
Open file, save in Word format.
I have heard that Word 2013 does not always play nicely with Word perfect 
files, in which case, try an older version of Word.

I don't think that Open Office supports WP files.

Conversion of formatting, fonts, etc., is likely to be imperfect.
Expect some manual work needed for final cleanup.


There WERE versions of WordPerfect for systems other than MS-DOS!
5.25" would not be Mac, nor Amiga, nor Atari ST, nor NextStep.
Data General or Vax/VMS also seem rather unlikely.

5.25" COULD be WordPerfect for Apple IIe/IIGS!  That would be POSSIBLE, 
but highly unlikely.   Apple 2 disk conversion is a hassle, but not 
an extreme challenge.


But also possibilities of DEC Rainbow, Tandy 2000, TI Professional, Victor 
9000 (Sirius)


First step is to put a disk in a PC and type DIR.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

File recovery help needed (Alabama)

[Mike Loewen via cctalk]

   I was contacted by a faculty member at the University of Alabama 
(Tuscaloosa) who is looking for help in recovering files from some 5-1/4" 
diskettes.  The diskettes are from the 1989-1892 time frame, and most 
likely contain WordPerfect files.  If there's anyone in the area who would 
be willing to help, contact me off-list and I'll put you in touch with 
him.  Thanks!



Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology  http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

QSIC Update

[David Bridgham via cctalk]

It's been a while since I've sent an update on the QSIC project and
since work is currently on-hold while I'm in Alaska for my summer job,
this is a good time.  With the QBUS protocol pieces all working from the
previous winter, last winter's work was to get some sort of storage
medium working.  SD cards seemed the right first choice so that was the
task.

After a few months of staring at a state machine implementation and
having nothing click for me, I set that aside and considered the idea of
building a micro-coded machine.  Noel and I kicked it around, came up
with a design, he wrote up a micro-assembler and I did the Verilog. 
This was my first micro-machine but it worked out pretty well, I think.

Anyway, we got the design running the SD card through its initialization
sequence.  Pretty pleased with that.  The next step is transferring data
blocks but I ran out of time.

Also this winter I finally got myself a Github account and moved the
code up there.  Look for dabridgham/QSIC if you're interested.

The webpage describing the QSIC project is
http://pdp10.froghouse.org/qsic/html/overview.html.

In related news, as we were working through the QBUS implementation Noel
and I had a bunch of discussions about bus arbitration.  I think we
ended up with a decent understanding and so I decided to write it up for
anyone else playing around with QBUS or Unibus designs.  Yeah, I know,
there aren't likely to be too many of us.

Anyway, the paper is here:
http://www.froghouse.org/~dab/papers/bus-arbitration/bus-arbitration.html

There's a pdf version too but the formatting left off the overbar over Q
in one section so it might be a bit confusing.

Dave

VT100 keycaps? "Z" wanted

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

My VT180 is missing the "Z" keycap. Does anyone happen to have VT100-series
keycaps to spare? (Or an entire keyboard to sell?)

Best regards,
Eric

Re: Back To: Getting to NeXt Command prompt

[Ian Finder via cctalk]

Wow those threads make me cringe.

Keyboard poachers are /really/ annoying.



On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> It’s command-backquote, not quote. The backquote key is in the upper left
> of the numeric keypad.
>
> Sorry for linking to a keyboard poaching site but it has a couple good
> images of the NeXT keyboards: https://deskthority.net/
> photos-f62/next-non-adb-keyboard-t12259.html  photos-f62/next-non-adb-keyboard-t12259.html>
>
>   -- Chris
>
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:42 AM, william degnan via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Confirmed.  It's Command + '
> >
> > (not shift + Command + ~)
> >
> > "Command + The key with the tilde and the single quote in the number pad
> of
> > a Next keyboard:"
> >
> > Bill
>
>


-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com