Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
Backwater == St. Louis, BTW, a place I visit pretty often. Still my all time favorite, Stu's Gateway Electronics still going. Recently touched base with them when I found a giveaway. My cousin caught hell when he took me to one of their first locations down on Delmar. You don't take a 10 or

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 07/14/2017 11:32 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Many, many years ago I acquired a bunch of Terak micros from a storage locker. It was being leased by my employer and no one had been tracking what was stored there. One day a beancounter showed up, questioned the monthly payment and

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 07/14/2017 11:24 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 07/14/2017 09:00 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Hmmm, I really don't remember any such thing. I suspect that some independent computer store chain got an OK to have a big Xerox logo out on the front. That would be quite believable.

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Anthony DeStefano via cctalk
> On Jul 14, 2017, at 5:59 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > > This is often called "The Information Era". > > I've always called it "The Information Lost Era". > > You may quote me. > > Why the NASA person said to immediately destroy the tapes, one can only guess. > >

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread dwight via cctalk
This is often called "The Information Era". I've always called it "The Information Lost Era". You may quote me. Why the NASA person said to immediately destroy the tapes, one can only guess. Those tapes belonged to the people of the USA. They were not some single persons option to destroy. We

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Ed via cctalk
I liked the DEC retail store over in mid Phx. the sales guy was an ex pdp8 customer engineer! leaned much from him! I mentioned metro center in several posts contains places it also harbored the corp. hq for Dataphase ( AZ version of computerland) and also

Ithaca Intersystems DPS-1 plastic paddles/switches?

2017-07-14 Thread Santo Nucifora via cctalk
I recently acquired an Ithaca Intersystems DPS-1 that had several plastic paddles missing. All but one switch appears to be there but 14 of the orange plastic paddles are missing. I am assuming they are unobtanium so I guess the question is, has anyone drawn out and 3D printed any paddle

Re: Thousandth data book uploaded to bitsavers

2017-07-14 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/14/17 1:42 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > So what is the title of a lucky manual? > toshiba/_dataBooks/1988_Toshiba_TLCS-68000_Users_Manual.pdf

Re: Thousandth data book uploaded to bitsavers

2017-07-14 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 01:03:56PM -0700, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > As of this morning, there are now over a thousand data books on > bitsavers, and well over four million pages in all of the pdfs > there. Thank you. So what is the title of a lucky manual? -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
- Original Message - From: "Jason T via cctalk" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Xerox stores > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:13 AM, william degnan via cctalk >

Re: Thousandth data book uploaded to bitsavers

2017-07-14 Thread Jason Scott via cctalk
Hurrah! On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > As of this morning, there are now over a thousand data books on bitsavers, > and well over four > million pages in all of the pdfs there. > > In the middle of June, I got my fifth large databook

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Eric Christopherson via cctalk
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Eric Christopherson < echristopher...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >> https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engi >> neer-basement/ >> >> of events that happened

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Eric Christopherson via cctalk
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engineer-basement/ > > of events that happened two years ago that had to be obtained through a > NASA FOIA request > Another depressing recent

Re: Thousandth data book uploaded to bitsavers

2017-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Many databooks I find are printed on the fragile "telephone book" type paper, either transparent, beige or both. Do you have any techniques for getting good images out of those, and making sure they survive the trip through the ADF? Always scan those monochrome. (A lot of people insist on color

Re: Thousandth data book uploaded to bitsavers

2017-07-14 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jul 14, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > >> Many databooks I find are printed on the fragile "telephone book" type >> paper, either transparent, beige or both. Do you have any techniques >> for getting good images out of those, and making sure

Re: Thousandth data book uploaded to bitsavers

2017-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Many databooks I find are printed on the fragile "telephone book" type paper, either transparent, beige or both. Do you have any techniques for getting good images out of those, and making sure they survive the trip through the ADF? Always scan those monochrome. (A lot of people insist on

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Anders Nelson via cctalk
='[ -- Anders Nelson +1 (517) 775-6129 www.erogear.com On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:06 PM, jim stephens via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 7/14/2017 9:39 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > >> You have no idea how much data is stashed away in the form of tape in a >> NASA/JPL

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Ed Sharpe via cctalk
we had a stand alone one in metro center phx... wold drop.in with a few of my employees and play Dino wars on the coco there Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, July 14, 2017 Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Even the "Tandy Radio Shack Computer Center" stores only

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Ed Sharpe via cctalk
we had a stand alone one in metro center phx... wold drop.in with a few of my employees and play Dino wars on the coco there Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, July 14, 2017 Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Even the "Tandy Radio Shack Computer Center" stores only

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 7/14/2017 9:39 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: You have no idea how much data is stashed away in the form of tape in a NASA/JPL warehouse. Many of the tapes have very sketchy labels--you have to remember that NASA is a lot like many of contract vendors like Lockheed. A project winds

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Even the "Tandy Radio Shack Computer Center" stores only numbered 500. (just the specialized "computer stores", not counting the TRS-80 for sale in the corner of every Radio Shack store (7400 peak)) Correction: The majority of the "Tandy Radio Shack Computer Center"s were IN Radio Shack

RE: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-14 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> > A couple of years ago I bought the UK-branded equivalent of the Zhongdi ZD- > 915 desoldering station and I can quite honestly say it’s the best thing I’ve > bought for this hobby/obsession. To anyone struggling with solder wick and > manual pumps it’s worth far more in saved time than

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: But he swears they were sold in Xerox Computer Stores that existed by the thousands - for a rather brief period. Many dozens, certainly. Probably less than 100. Not "thousands".

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/14/17 9:34 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > PR black eye? I doubt it. Who, other than the people here, is ever going > to hear about it? anyone who saw the story posted on arstechnica.co.uk today, which is where the original posting points to

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Jason T via cctalk
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:13 AM, william degnan via cctalk wrote: > And don't forget about the IBM Product Centers, bought out in the late 80's > by NyNex. They sold IBM business products including copiers, typewriters, > Displaywriters, System 36 accessories, printers and

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/14/2017 08:37 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > Calculations of how much storage would be required aren't of much > interest if the data itself isn't safely or cost effectively recoverable. > > The fault here isn't with NASA -- it's that few of us are able to store > artefacts in suitable

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Ed via cctalk
Xerox comps were featured copiers too... plus some other brands.. I always had the feeling they were XEROX company sponsored... but? In a newspaper archive search I come up with a lot of ads across the country between 81 and 83... I sent some adds to some of the people that

RE: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
PR black eye? I doubt it. Who, other than the people here, is ever going to hear about it? bill From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Al Kossow via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:06 AM To:

RE: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Many, many years ago I acquired a bunch of Terak micros from a storage locker. It was being leased by my employer and no one had been tracking what was stored there. One day a beancounter showed up, questioned the monthly payment and instructed us to "clean it out". I got the Teraks. But,

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Norman Jaffe via cctalk
I remember going to a Xerox store in '85 and buying a brand-new Macintosh. From: "cctalk" To: "cctalk" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 9:24:10 AM Subject: Re: Xerox stores On 07/14/2017 09:00 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > Hmmm, I really

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/14/2017 09:00 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > Hmmm, I really don't remember any such thing. I suspect that some > independent computer store chain got an OK to have a big Xerox logo out > on the front. That would be quite believable. Some time in the early > 80's there were computer

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 07/13/2017 11:26 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 7/13/2017 6:52 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 07/13/2017 11:02 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 7/13/2017 12:31 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: There are also vacuum desoldering stations that use "shop air" to derive the

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 07/13/2017 11:14 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: But he swears they were sold in Xerox Computer Stores that existed by the thousands - for a rather brief period. I have only the faintest memory of such a thing, I didn't start to work for Xerox until 1985, and I don't recall the

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2017-07-14 11:13 AM, Doug Ingraham via cctalk wrote: The amount of data stored on 325 tapes would have been at most 58.5 gigabytes assuming 6250 encoding and single records over the length of the tape. Given the time frame I would guess that these were probably only 800 bpi and thus the max

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Doug Ingraham via cctalk
The amount of data stored on 325 tapes would have been at most 58.5 gigabytes assuming 6250 encoding and single records over the length of the tape. Given the time frame I would guess that these were probably only 800 bpi and thus the max would have been 7.5 gigabytes. And probably at most half

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Ed Thierbach via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Why would NASA say “destroy the tapes” ? > > > > If I'm reading the report correctly, the tapes were quite infected with > mold, and probably unreadable. I'd guess it wouldn't be worth the health >

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Ed Thierbach via cctalk
> > Why would NASA say “destroy the tapes” ? > If I'm reading the report correctly, the tapes were quite infected with mold, and probably unreadable. I'd guess it wouldn't be worth the health hazard to try, especially given NASA's view that there was nothing historically significant there.

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/14/17 7:45 AM, Ian McLaughlin via cctalk wrote: >> > Why would NASA say “destroy the tapes” ? Because they are a health risk, they have no facilities to recover the data, and someone decided they didn't have a budget to attempt to preserve them given they have no idea what is on them.

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Ian McLaughlin via cctalk
> >> >> https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engineer-basement/ >> >> of events that happened two years ago that had to be obtained through a >> NASA FOIA request >> >> >> > > > Unfortunately this seems to be what happens with a lot of old engineers' > hardware. > >

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
Tell me about it. We get a lot of calls from widows in the valley. I have other people deal with it now, because I find going there too depressing. I wonder if the guy had the CDC 160 that would have gone with those 162 tape drives or how much documentation was ignored and dumpstered. On 7/14/17

Re: Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
Unfortunately this seems to be what happens with a lot of old engineers' hardware. Thanks, Jonathan On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engineer-basement/ > > of events that happened

Depressing article

2017-07-14 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engineer-basement/ of events that happened two years ago that had to be obtained through a NASA FOIA request

Re: Thousandth data book uploaded to bitsavers

2017-07-14 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/13/17 10:11 PM, Jason T via cctalk wrote: > Many databooks I find are printed on the fragile "telephone book" type > paper, either transparent, beige or both. Do you have any techniques > for getting good images out of those, and making sure they survive the > trip through the ADF? >

RE: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread rar via cctalk
The IBM Product centers were bought by NYNEX, and in turn purchased by ComputerLand. The Baltimore NYNEX location was in the our ComputerLand franchise protected territory, so technically ComputerLand Corporation was in violation of our ComputerLand Franchise. This was great news for us,

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread william degnan via cctalk
> > > > Yup, there was definitely one in Santa Clara (IIRC). I picked up a few > things at their going-out-of business sale. I think one was a DTC > document feeder for a Diablo Hitype and some miscellaneous furniture. > > Who knows--buried in my old records, I may even have an invoice. > >

RE: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
I still have an unpopulated Xerox-820 motherboard floating around here somewhere. They were popular with ham radio operators for BBSes and later with early KA9Q TCPIP systems. bill From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Chuck Guzis

RE: Cipher F880 with S100 interface card on local CL

2017-07-14 Thread CuriousMarc via cctalk
$9.99 a piece? Mind boggling. Marc -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 8:15 AM To: cctalk Subject: Re: Cipher F880 with S100 interface card on local CL On 07/10/2017 10:36 PM, Ethan Dicks

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Ed via cctalk
Jim sending you in a separate message some newspaper ads for some of these stores... they also sold osbornes and apples etc... as well as their own business xerox systems. Ed# smecc - In a message dated 7/13/2017 10:05:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-14 Thread Adrian Graham via cctalk
> On 13 Jul 2017, at 22:46, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:42 AM, William Sudbrink via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> If you have the bucks, go for a Pace station with an SX-100 desoldering >> tool. 40 pin chips >> fall out

Re: Xerox stores

2017-07-14 Thread Ed via cctalk
yes indeed! yea would have been the front part of the 80s date wise... can not remember exactly though.. We had a Xerox store in Metro Center here in Phx... I remember laughing as I went away how thankful our company was in an industrial park and NOT in a high traffic