Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
Lol that's indeed the one. I had no idea it was same era though. I think i was looking at one years ago as an option to document my collection and serial numbers. I realized despite the cool factor, i would be putting my faith in that system with no back-up and less ability to export elsewhere so never followed through with it. Original message From: Fred Cisin via cctalkDate: 11/3/17 10:52 PM (GMT-06:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Sam O'nella via cctalk wrote: > I could have sworn there was a newer black colored m100 type system that > someone was selling a bunch of on ebay. Iirc they were calling it the > tandy killer and i thougbt it was a "slate". Convergent Technologies "Workslate". sexy machine Far from a killer. Unless you are one who defines spreadsheet as "killing" word processor. Take a look at the Epson Geneva PX-8. CP/M.
Re: Which Dec Emulation is the MOST useful and Versatile?
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Could be. Then again, today's main architectures are all decades old; > they get refined but not redone. > I'm not sure whether you consider the 64-bit ARM architecture to be one of "today's main architectures", though it's probably shipping in higher unit volume than x86. Anyhow, the 64-bit ARM architecture is pretty much brand new; it's not the 32-bit ARM architecture stretched to 64 bits.
RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
Dave, Thank you so much for enquiring. Not an uncommon problem, scanning (and even just cataloging) is so resource intensive. Well, at least they cataloged it properly and made the entry available on the web, so we should be grateful for that. Is someone in the UK close enough to go view it and take pictures of the pages? Would be nice if they could consider lending it to another institution or a researcher for scanning (CHM, hpmuseum.net, come to mind). Marc From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.g4...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:38 AM To: CuriousMarc; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days notice Dave On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade"wrote: Marc, They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > CuriousMarc via cctalk > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > them? > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > Set-Ge > neration/ > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > Marc > >
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Sam O'nella via cctalk wrote: I could have sworn there was a newer black colored m100 type system that someone was selling a bunch of on ebay. Iirc they were calling it the tandy killer and i thougbt it was a "slate". Convergent Technologies "Workslate". sexy machine Far from a killer. Unless you are one who defines spreadsheet as "killing" word processor. Take a look at the Epson Geneva PX-8. CP/M.
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
I could have sworn there was a newer black colored m100 type system that someone was selling a bunch of on ebay. Iirc they were calling it the tandy killer and i thougbt it was a "slate". I did forget about the m100 pc expansion though (price is always higher than desirable). But best of both worlds. Super portable m100 and plug it in at desk ams have a monitor, memory expansion and dual disk drive. Always wanted to find one for the right price. The poqet is also a great mention for compatability in a palmtop. I think the bad part is all these great choices also have higher prices for their usability. You sort of "need" the expansions on the poqet. Back to the hp 200lx standard (small plug) but sorta easy to make a serial cable and use as a termial also. That's why we only find the lesser units and these all hover over 100.:-( null
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
- Original Message - From: "Evan Koblentz via cctalk"To: "drlegendre ." ; "Liam Proven" ; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA >> Hey, TRS-80 M100 rocks! I've got several, and they all work perfectly to >> this day. Built by Kyocera, who isn't known for making junk. > > I agree, just not with the nutty claim that real writers still use them > as modern tools. That was an urban legend with maybe some tiny grain of > truth 25 years ago. Well, if you're defining 'writer' as "a professional full-time journalist" whose main concerns are deadlines, word counts, editors' demands etc. and who has to be connected to the Internet every second then you're probably correct when it comes to usage today, although I wouldn't be surprised if some do use an obsolete device for jotting down ideas and notes as the OP wants to do. But I didn't say *professional* writers still use M100s. I said "some writers", and I think the folks who self-publish stories on the Internet, enter writing contests, contribute to the various on-line magazines etc. or just write for pleasure and entertainment of friends and family are every bit as much 'writers' as your elite group of 'real writers', and some of them do indeed prefer the M100 and its cousins to their modern laptops and desktops for its unique features. As Bill Loguidice observed in a thread elsewhere about your opinionated post, "...there really is no true modern equivalent to what the M100 series can do", especially when equipped with modern multi-MB RAM and storage expansions, USB, WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity options, multiple tools and programs instantly accessible from ROM etc., etc. > "It was an urban legend in the 1990s that a handful of old farts in the > entirely sportswriting industry (thousands of writers overall) may "still" be using their Model 100s." How many in a 'handful'? Perhaps not many in the 90s but they were certainly popular with journalists in the 80s; a few years ago I chatted for a while with a British professional full-time motorsport journalist who did indeed use an M100 for composing and uploading, as did quite a few of his fellow journalists at the time. Wikipedia and Infoworld: "Tandy stated that the Model 100's sales "have only been moderate", and an InfoWorld columnist later claimed that "it was only journalists" who had been buying it. The system's popularity with journalists, however, probably helped Radio Shack improve the company's poor reputation with the press and in the industry." A little before your time of course... But despite (or because of) your use of rude words like 'nutty' and 'BS' you have provided a few chuckles for the folks in the user groups(s) who are or know writers who do in fact use M100s and similar devices. They just may know more about who uses them today and for what than you presume to know.. m
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
In days of old would use one with a 50 ft ribbon cable as a 'portable' console fro one of my hp 2000 systems I would just rag it around to wherever I was in the Computer Room. or into the front office west of the computer room as the back of the 2000 was against that wall. In those days seemed so amazing to do so! Ed# In a message dated 11/3/2017 10:57:23 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Hey, TRS-80 M100 rocks! I've got several, and they all work perfectly to this day. Built by Kyocera, who isn't known for making junk.. The 30+ hr. battery life alone is enough to earn them a high rating, and they have a built-in terminal program. I've used them to control headless Linux boxes several times via serial port. I believe they do 9600 or possibly 19200.
Re: Which Dec Emulation is the MOST useful and Versatile?
> On Nov 3, 2017, at 11:58 AM, allison via cctalkwrote: > > Emulation of another computer was important to two groups early on... > designers > that wanted to try new architecture and the result of evolution and > retirement of > hardware the need to run costly to develop programs for which source or the > needed components had become extinct. The latter I believe is more rampant > since the mid 70s with machines getting replaced with bigger and faster > at an > ever increasing rate. Could be. Then again, today's main architectures are all decades old; they get refined but not redone. Emulation of new architectures on old ones goes back quite a long time. I've seen a document from 1964, describing the emulation of the Electrologica X8 (which came out around 1964) on its predecessor the X1 (which dates back to 1958). paul
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
Hey, TRS-80 M100 rocks! I've got several, and they all work perfectly to this day. Built by Kyocera, who isn't known for making junk. I agree, just not with the nutty claim that real writers still use them as modern tools. That was an urban legend with maybe some tiny grain of truth 25 years ago.
Re: Which Dec Emulation is the MOST useful and Versatile?
On 11/02/2017 08:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Sun, 29 Oct 2017, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: >> I am not sure they invented computer emulation. I think that the concept >> Emulation/Simulation is as old as, or perhaps even older than computing. > > Henry Ford is attributed with "car racing began 5 minutes after the > second car was built." > BUT, I'm not sure whether the second computer cared about emulating > the first one. > > Emulation of another computer was important to two groups early on... designers that wanted to try new architecture and the result of evolution and retirement of hardware the need to run costly to develop programs for which source or the needed components had become extinct. The latter I believe is more rampant since the mid 70s with machines getting replaced with bigger and faster at an ever increasing rate. That cycle is wound so tight now that if you can buy it its likely obsolete. It is also part of the more computers being available and CPU cycles on them being cheaper back in the late 70s and into the 80s made it useful to use them to get the work from the last machine useful to design the next machine. Personal example: Altair built and running by Jan 75 as an early adoptor. less than a year and a half NS* Horizon. Why? First Z80 runs 8080 code, it was faster, better hardware. It ran deeper but thats the 30,000 ft view of change. And so it went to faster, more memory till PDP-11 push that to auxiliary role followed by my first 32bit VAX. It would take 486DX/66 with networking to dislodge that. Fortunately the bigger faster could emulate the older slower sufficiently to run the software that was of greater value. So here we are... WIN10 has to have emulation/visualization to run old 32bit and earlier software as 64bit architecture gets in the way. The only reason the system is 64 bit is replacement of a dead 32bit that was satisfactory in every way save for its now unobtainium. So it goes I'll bet that the Henry Ford comment was followed by a comment from someone making a better car to beat the second one! It also forgets the market for used cars was born right then. Allison
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 3 November 2017 at 22:53, Fred Cisin via cctalk >wrote: > > > Exactly! > > > > But, they sometimes try to convince us that it means "Personal Computer > > Memory Card Instustry Association", which is far less credible > > OK, next, for 2 points. What does TWAIN stand for? No conferring or > consulting research materials. It's the initials from the French name for "Standard Scanner Interface" :) Warner
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 3 November 2017 at 22:53, Fred Cisin via cctalkwrote: > Exactly! > > But, they sometimes try to convince us that it means "Personal Computer > Memory Card Instustry Association", which is far less credible OK, next, for 2 points. What does TWAIN stand for? No conferring or consulting research materials. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
what about the kind folks at the hp museum? . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa? On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote: no the other hp museum! I know. I was trying to joke about their recent loss, but that one is probably TOO SOON. :-)
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 11/3/2017 2:20 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Is there a reason to AVOID mentioning the Poqet? There is one and two accessories for sale right now. I'd forgotten about it till I stumbled over it searching for other stuff. POQET-PC-Prime-model-PQ0181-SN-01817766 https://www.ebay.com/itm/202096438151 POQET-serial-port-adapter-PQ-0571-with-BlackBox-serial-port-crossover-switch https://www.ebay.com/itm/202096456575 POQET-Parallel-Port-Cable-model-PQ-0572 https://www.ebay.com/itm/202096426280 The seller has split up the sales, not a good thing, I'm thinking. Seems like an all or none sort of thing. It's up higher now that I'd buy, but I was reluctant with the parts in separate auctions. thanks Jim
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, drlegendre . wrote: PCMCIA... People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms? Exactly! But, they sometimes try to convince us that it means "Personal Computer Memory Card Instustry Association", which is far less credible
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
PCMCIA... People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms? On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalkwrote: > Is there a reason to AVOID mentioning the Poqet? > > The original MSRP at announcement was WAY too high, and priced it out of > the market, but the actual/street price wasn't bad. > > Larger keyboard that the HP (which was otherwise a better deal for the > price) > AA batteries with long life. > two PCMCIA slots (before PCMCIA was officially named and standardized) > Bus connector, with a few unobtanium accessories, such as 3.5" drive. > Had LOTUS available as a ROM card! > MS-DOS 5.00 - I learned how to write TSRs on one. >
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
Already checked, not one we have unfortunately. If one turns up we’ll be happy to put it up on the website though! David Collins HP Computer Museum Sent from my iPad > On 4 Nov 2017, at 7:17 am, Ed via cctalkwrote: > > no the other hp museum! > across the pond! > http://hpmuseum.net/ > > good people! > > > it may already be online they have done a good job scanning stuff. > > ed# > > > In a message dated 11/3/2017 12:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > >>> Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to >>> view on three days notice >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: >> >> what about the kind folks at the hp museum? > > . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa? > > > > >
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
Is there a reason to AVOID mentioning the Poqet? The original MSRP at announcement was WAY too high, and priced it out of the market, but the actual/street price wasn't bad. Larger keyboard that the HP (which was otherwise a better deal for the price) AA batteries with long life. two PCMCIA slots (before PCMCIA was officially named and standardized) Bus connector, with a few unobtanium accessories, such as 3.5" drive. Had LOTUS available as a ROM card! MS-DOS 5.00 - I learned how to write TSRs on one.
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
no the other hp museum! across the pond! http://hpmuseum.net/ good people! it may already be online they have done a good job scanning stuff. ed# In a message dated 11/3/2017 12:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to > > view on three days notice On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: > what about the kind folks at the hp museum? . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa?
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
> Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to > view on three days notice On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: what about the kind folks at the hp museum? . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa?
Re: Vintage Computer Calendar 2018
FYI, On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 4:59 AM, Syd Bolton via cctalkwrote: > > > Hey folks; > The Personal Computer Museum (http://www.pcmuseum.ca) is > offering a beautiful 2018 vintage computer calendar as a fundraiser. The > calendars are in hand and the cost is $20 Canadian (no tax). I got my calendar today, it looks great! Have a nice weekend everyone! -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
Hey, TRS-80 M100 rocks! I've got several, and they all work perfectly to this day. Built by Kyocera, who isn't known for making junk.. The 30+ hr. battery life alone is enough to earn them a high rating, and they have a built-in terminal program. I've used them to control headless Linux boxes several times via serial port. I believe they do 9600 or possibly 19200. If anyone is still in want of a PDA, I have a very nice Palm IIIxe w/ cradle that should have a decent home. It's already had the ROM flashed to the newest supported version. Prefer trade for C-64 stuff. On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:36 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 3 November 2017 at 01:03, Evan Koblentz via cctalk >wrote: > > > > BS. > > > > I've been a professional full-time journalist for 20 years. No one in > their > > right mind is using anything older than a last-gen laptop. Maybe two > > generations if they're poor like me. > > Not full-time, but still a paid scribbler for everything from PC Mag to > MacUser. > > In this century, I have written columns on a Mac Classic II (in the > 21st century) and on an early-1990s 386sx laptop under WordPerfect > 5.1. I have toted a Thinkpad Butterfly internationally, repeatedly. I > am currently building a bootable Live USB with PC-DOS 7.1 and MS Word > 6 for DOS as a distraction-free writing tool. > > Yeah, some people totally do. Weirdos, probably, but yes. > > And I am typing this on an IBM Model M (made 1994-05-06) which is > attached to my Core i5 Thinkpad X220, bought used in January for £150, > which is my newest and most powerful laptop. In fact probably my > newest computer of any kind. > > -- > Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com > Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven > UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053 >
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
what about the kind folks at the hp museum? Ed# In a message dated 11/3/2017 10:38:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days notice Dave On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade"wrote: > Marc, > They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning > them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the > UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask. > Dave > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > > CuriousMarc via cctalk > > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > > > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > > them? > > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > > Set-Ge > > neration/ > > > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > > > Marc > > > > > > >
RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days notice Dave On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade"wrote: > Marc, > They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning > them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the > UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask. > Dave > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > > CuriousMarc via cctalk > > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > > > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > > them? > > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > > Set-Ge > > neration/ > > > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > > > Marc > > > > > > >
RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
Marc, They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > CuriousMarc via cctalk > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' >> Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > them? > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > Set-Ge > neration/ > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > Marc > >
RE: Which Dec Emulation is the MOST useful and Versatile?
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin > via cctalk > Sent: 03 November 2017 00:19 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> Subject: RE: Which Dec Emulation is the MOST useful and Versatile? > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2017, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: > > I am not sure they invented computer emulation. I think that the > > concept Emulation/Simulation is as old as, or perhaps even older than > computing. > > Henry Ford is attributed with "car racing began 5 minutes after the second car > was built." > BUT, I'm not sure whether the second computer caared about emulating the > first one. > Fred It was the other way round. So you know the second computer will be better than the first, but you haven't built it yet, so you emulate it on the first. It's a common technique and was used by the ENIAC team to emulate an EDVAC type machine, IBM also used it extensively when developing new hardware, especially 370/XA... Dave
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 3 November 2017 at 01:03, Evan Koblentz via cctalkwrote: > > BS. > > I've been a professional full-time journalist for 20 years. No one in their > right mind is using anything older than a last-gen laptop. Maybe two > generations if they're poor like me. Not full-time, but still a paid scribbler for everything from PC Mag to MacUser. In this century, I have written columns on a Mac Classic II (in the 21st century) and on an early-1990s 386sx laptop under WordPerfect 5.1. I have toted a Thinkpad Butterfly internationally, repeatedly. I am currently building a bootable Live USB with PC-DOS 7.1 and MS Word 6 for DOS as a distraction-free writing tool. Yeah, some people totally do. Weirdos, probably, but yes. And I am typing this on an IBM Model M (made 1994-05-06) which is attached to my Core i5 Thinkpad X220, bought used in January for £150, which is my newest and most powerful laptop. In fact probably my newest computer of any kind. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know them? http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-Set-Ge neration/ Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? Marc