Re: Sneak peak: this year's VCF PNW/East/West shirt design

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Evan Koblentz via cctalk
 wrote:
> Here's a sneak preview of the shirt design for all of the 2018 Vintage
> Computer Federation events. As usual, each event will have a different shirt
> color.
>
> https://vcfed.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/pnw-shirt-front-1.png

Is that a ColecoVision?

Re: who is in this picture? (VCF 199x)

[Steve Malikoff via cctalk]

Bill said
> https://retropopplanet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/vintage-computer.jpg
>
> I was not at this particular VCF out in California in the later 90's when
> this photo of a DEC exhibit was taken; the original picture from vintage.org
> is no longer hosted.
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the old vintage.org exhibit/photo archive?
>
> Bill

>From the LSX Unix Restoration Page:
http://www.mailcom.com/lsx/

Steve.

Re: who is in this picture? (VCF 199x)

[alan--- via cctalk]

Not sure but I'm terribly conflicted as to what I find more stunning.. 
his flowing curls or his rock'n 'stash...


On 2018-01-30 16:55, Bill Degnan via cctech wrote:

https://retropopplanet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/vintage-computer.jpg

I was not at this particular VCF out in California in the later 90's 
when
this photo of a DEC exhibit was taken; the original picture from 
vintage.org

is no longer hosted.

Does anyone have a copy of the old vintage.org exhibit/photo archive?

Bill

Re: who is in this picture? (VCF 199x)

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bill Degnan via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> https://retropopplanet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/vintage-computer.jpg
>

Pavl Zachary

Re: who is in this picture? (VCF 199x)

[Lyle Bickley via cctalk]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:55:47 -0500
Bill Degnan via cctech  wrote:

> https://retropopplanet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/vintage-computer.jpg
> 
> I was not at this particular VCF out in California in the later 90's
> when this photo of a DEC exhibit was taken; the original picture from
> vintage.org is no longer hosted.
> 
> Does anyone have a copy of the old vintage.org exhibit/photo archive?

I don't have a copy of the archive - but I was at that VCF. The person
in the picture is Pavl Zachary.

Pavl has a nice collection of vintage computers (and tanks ;)

Cheers,
Lyle

-- 
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http://bickleywest.com

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Re: who is in this picture? (VCF 199x)

[Evan Koblentz via cctalk]

https://retropopplanet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/vintage-computer.jpg


Easy, that's Pavl Zachary.



I was not at this particular VCF out in California in the later 90's when
this photo of a DEC exhibit was taken; the original picture from vintage.org
is no longer hosted.

Does anyone have a copy of the old vintage.org exhibit/photo archive?


This is just about everything Sellam sent us:
http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/archives-show-summaries/vcf-west-archives/miscellaneous-vcf-west-pictures-1997-2006/

Re: who is in this picture? (VCF 199x)

[Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk]

 

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 1:55 PM, Bill Degnan via cctech 
 wrote:
 

 https://retropopplanet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/vintage-computer.jpg

I was not at this particular VCF out in California in the later 90's when
this photo of a DEC exhibit was taken; the original picture from vintage.org
is no longer hosted.

Does anyone have a copy of the old vintage.org exhibit/photo archive?

Bill

Looks like Pavl Zachary.
Bob

   

Sneak peak: this year's VCF PNW/East/West shirt design

[Evan Koblentz via cctalk]

Here's a sneak preview of the shirt design for all of the 2018 Vintage 
Computer Federation events. As usual, each event will have a different 
shirt color.


Dan Roganti aka Ragooman used to design the VCF East shirts. Any 
similarity to him or his interests in the current design is purely

coincidental. :)

https://vcfed.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/pnw-shirt-front-1.png

who is in this picture? (VCF 199x)

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

https://retropopplanet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/vintage-computer.jpg

I was not at this particular VCF out in California in the later 90's when
this photo of a DEC exhibit was taken; the original picture from vintage.org
is no longer hosted.

Does anyone have a copy of the old vintage.org exhibit/photo archive?

Bill

Re: IBM 9331-011 8" External Floppy Drive - eBay 183038271095

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

ibm had 8in floppy drives in their black from the times of white?


On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:56 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Someone shared the following eBay auction in the comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
> newsgroup and I figured that someone subscribed to cctalk might be
> interested:
>
> Link - IBM 9331-011 8" External Floppy Drive - eBay 183038271095
>  - https://www.ebay.com/itm/183038271095
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>

IBM 9331-011 8" External Floppy Drive - eBay 183038271095

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

Someone shared the following eBay auction in the 
comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware newsgroup and I figured that someone 
subscribed to cctalk might be interested:


Link - IBM 9331-011 8" External Floppy Drive - eBay 183038271095
 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/183038271095



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: Interest Check: Belden Thicknet 10base5 Ethernet Coax

[systems_glitch via cctalk]

I believe my guy referenced that listing as his basis for his price. I'm
sure freight would bring it up to about the same per-foot cost, if not
higher. I am sometimes out near the seller of that particular eBay listing,
so I'll send them an email and see if they're interested in a local pick-up
deal.

Thanks,
Jonathan

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:48 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:06 PM, systems_glitch via cctalk
>  wrote:
> > Full disclosure on price: right now if I buy one spool, it'll be
> $0.60/foot
> > to me, I was thinking I'd charge $1/foot for moderate lengths, of course
> > I'm willing to make a deal on bulk purchases, especially if it ends up
> > being local pick-up (here in VA or VCF East). I haven't dressed out cable
> > this large for N connectors in a long time (last stuff was Times
> Microwave
> > LMR400 for long-range 802.11b stuff) so I'm not sure what the N
> connectors
> > cost nowadays or how long it'll take me to crimp them on.
> >
> > Here's the datasheet on the stuff:
> >
> > https://catalog.belden.com/techdata/EN/89880_techdata.pdf?ip=false
> >
> > DEC spec, orange jacket, plenum rated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jonathan
>
> There is also this seller with a couple of 1100 foot spools of Belden
> 89880 for $480 also in VA. The datasheet says 125 pounds per 1000 feet
> so if you had to ship one of those I would expect that to add a fair
> amount to the cost.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/291786649807
>

Re: Interest Check: Belden Thicknet 10base5 Ethernet Coax

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:47 PM, systems_glitch via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Per the recent discussion on thicknet/early Ethernet, I figured I'd see if
> there's any interest in cut-to-length Belden thicknet/10base5 Ethernet
> cable. I've got a local surplus guy who's got at least one 1100 foot roll.
> It's the real Ethernet spec stuff, sez so on the cable, and it has the
> bands to locate your vampire taps.
>

Anyone have extra thicknet transceivers w/ the vampire taps? I'd lilke to
have some of the cable if I had some transceivers to go with it.

Re: Interest Check: Belden Thicknet 10base5 Ethernet Coax

[systems_glitch via cctalk]

Full disclosure on price: right now if I buy one spool, it'll be $0.60/foot
to me, I was thinking I'd charge $1/foot for moderate lengths, of course
I'm willing to make a deal on bulk purchases, especially if it ends up
being local pick-up (here in VA or VCF East). I haven't dressed out cable
this large for N connectors in a long time (last stuff was Times Microwave
LMR400 for long-range 802.11b stuff) so I'm not sure what the N connectors
cost nowadays or how long it'll take me to crimp them on.

Not sure how tightly it can coil, but I bet I can fit a load of it in a
15x15x4 box, of which I have plenty. Shortish sections should be able to
ship USPS for decent rates, for larger quantities I can use my UPS
shipper's account (I have negotiated rates with them).

Here's the datasheet on the stuff:

https://catalog.belden.com/techdata/EN/89880_techdata.pdf?ip=false

DEC spec, orange jacket, plenum rated.

Thanks,
Jonathan

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 01/30/2018 04:52 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I'm sure that someone will be interested in it--there's usually a good
>> supply of masochists around.
>>
>
> Hay!  I resemble that!!!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>

Re: Interest Check: Belden Thicknet 10base5 Ethernet Coax

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 01/30/2018 04:52 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

I'm sure that someone will be interested in it--there's usually a good
supply of masochists around.


Hay!  I resemble that!!!



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: Interest Check: Belden Thicknet 10base5 Ethernet Coax

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 01/30/2018 04:47 PM, systems_glitch via cctalk wrote:
Per the recent discussion on thicknet/early Ethernet, I figured I'd see 
if there's any interest in cut-to-length Belden thicknet/10base5 Ethernet 
cable. I've got a local surplus guy who's got at least one 1100 foot roll. 
It's the real Ethernet spec stuff, sez so on the cable, and it has the 
bands to locate your vampire taps.


Intriguing.

If there's enough interest, I'll buy the spool off of him and cut it to 
length for whoever's interested in buying some. I can crimp N terminations 
on as well.


I'm sure my wife will question it, but I'm interested in knowing more. 
(The rules are that I have to be able to move it by myself, it can't be 
too loud, and it can't significantly alter the power bill.)


What sort of price per foot, per N connector, and your time & effort are 
you thinking about?


Depending on all of the above, I'd be curious to have one or two 
segments long enough to have two connections / taps each.


Also, how well can the hose pipe be coiled for shipping?



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: Interest Check: Belden Thicknet 10base5 Ethernet Coax

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 01/30/2018 03:47 PM, systems_glitch via cctalk wrote:

> Per the recent discussion on thicknet/early Ethernet, I figured I'd see if
> there's any interest in cut-to-length Belden thicknet/10base5 Ethernet
> cable. I've got a local surplus guy who's got at least one 1100 foot roll.
> It's the real Ethernet spec stuff, sez so on the cable, and it has the
> bands to locate your vampire taps.
> 
> If there's enough interest, I'll buy the spool off of him and cut it to
> length for whoever's interested in buying some. I can crimp N terminations
> on as well.

I'm sure that someone will be interested in it--there's usually a good
supply of masochists around.

--Chuck

Interest Check: Belden Thicknet 10base5 Ethernet Coax

[systems_glitch via cctalk]

All,

Per the recent discussion on thicknet/early Ethernet, I figured I'd see if
there's any interest in cut-to-length Belden thicknet/10base5 Ethernet
cable. I've got a local surplus guy who's got at least one 1100 foot roll.
It's the real Ethernet spec stuff, sez so on the cable, and it has the
bands to locate your vampire taps.

If there's enough interest, I'll buy the spool off of him and cut it to
length for whoever's interested in buying some. I can crimp N terminations
on as well.

Thanks,
Jonathan

Re: where to find ZCPR2, ZCPR3, ZCPR33, ZCPR34?

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:18 PM, geneb via cctalk 
wrote:

> Eric, take a peek here:
> http://www.classiccmp.org/cpmarchives/ftp.php?b=cpm/Software
> /WalnutCD/zsys/
>

Thanks! It does look like that contains the ZCPR3 distribution.

Now I'm still looking for ZCPR2, ZCPR33, and ZCPR34.

Re: where to find ZCPR2, ZCPR3, ZCPR33, ZCPR34?

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> http://www.classiccmp.org/cpmarchives/ftp.php?b=cpm%
> 2Fmirrors%2Foak.oakland.edu%2Fpub%2Fsigm
>
> Is the SIG/M collection, all 310 volumes of it.
>
> Does this help?
>
>
> Thanks, but no. That actually does NOT contain all 310 volumes. At a
minimum, it is missing volumes 184 to 192; it may be missing more.

Re: where to find ZCPR2, ZCPR3, ZCPR33, ZCPR34?

[geneb via cctalk]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:


On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Bill Degnan  wrote:


https://archive.org/details/LOGIC_AppleII_Disk-CPM014

is this what you mean?



While that's useful (thanks!), I'm really looking for the complete ZCPRn
distributions, which included source code for the CCP replacement and the
utilities etc.


Eric, take a peek here:
http://www.classiccmp.org/cpmarchives/ftp.php?b=cpm/Software/WalnutCD/zsys/

g.

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Re: where to find ZCPR2, ZCPR3, ZCPR33, ZCPR34?

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 01/30/2018 11:15 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Bill Degnan  wrote:
> 
>> https://archive.org/details/LOGIC_AppleII_Disk-CPM014
>>
>> is this what you mean?
>>
> 
> While that's useful (thanks!), I'm really looking for the complete ZCPRn
> distributions, which included source code for the CCP replacement and the
> utilities etc.
> 
> That's why ZCPR3 took up _nine_ volumes of the SIG/M library.

http://www.classiccmp.org/cpmarchives/ftp.php?b=cpm%2Fmirrors%2Foak.oakland.edu%2Fpub%2Fsigm

Is the SIG/M collection, all 310 volumes of it.

Does this help?

--Chuck

Re:

[Pete Turnbull via cctalk]

On 30/01/2018 15:17, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote:


Does Isopropyl alcohol (um, same as propan-2-ol?) at 60C have enough vapor 
pressure to be a flammability issue?


Yes.  The boiling point of IPA is a little over 80C, and the flash point 
of 70% - 80% IPA (which would be a common strength) is much lower than 
60C; depending on the concentration, it would be not much more than 20C. 
 It's similar to ethanol in that regard.


> Should it be done only under a fume hood, or something like that?

Maybe, certainly for even small quantities make sure there are no flames 
or sparks nearby.


--
Pete
Pete Turnbull

Re: where to find ZCPR2, ZCPR3, ZCPR33, ZCPR34?

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Bill Degnan  wrote:

> https://archive.org/details/LOGIC_AppleII_Disk-CPM014
>
> is this what you mean?
>

While that's useful (thanks!), I'm really looking for the complete ZCPRn
distributions, which included source code for the CCP replacement and the
utilities etc.

That's why ZCPR3 took up _nine_ volumes of the SIG/M library.

Re: ultrasonic cleaning for disk heads

[Curious Marc via cctalk]

> On Jan 27, 2018, at 11:02 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> When it happens, am I correct in assuming that the pack is toast, and should 
> never be loaded again?

Carl would be better qualified to answer that one, but from what he has taught 
me and what we've seen so far, it depends. If it's a mild crash and just 
burnished, it might be OK. A lot of the PARC packs we read had such leftover 
marks from previous mild encounters with a head... Some read just fine, most 
dirtied our heads but were OK at least for archiving once, a few re-crashed. If 
there is a gouge and you can see the metal, forget it.

Marc

Re: where to find ZCPR2, ZCPR3, ZCPR33, ZCPR34?

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

https://archive.org/details/LOGIC_AppleII_Disk-CPM014

is this what you mean?

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I've become interested in ZCPR2, 3, 33, and 34, and am surprised at how
> difficult it is to locate them online. Or maybe I'm just an idiot. Are they
> out there somewhere?
>
> It looks like ZCPR3 was on SIG/M volumes 184 to 192, but those specific
> volumes seem to be missing from the SIG/M archives I can find.
>
> I'm specifically NOT looking for NZ-COM or Z3PLUS.
>
> Thanks!
> Eric
>

where to find ZCPR2, ZCPR3, ZCPR33, ZCPR34?

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

I've become interested in ZCPR2, 3, 33, and 34, and am surprised at how
difficult it is to locate them online. Or maybe I'm just an idiot. Are they
out there somewhere?

It looks like ZCPR3 was on SIG/M volumes 184 to 192, but those specific
volumes seem to be missing from the SIG/M archives I can find.

I'm specifically NOT looking for NZ-COM or Z3PLUS.

Thanks!
Eric

Re:

[Curious Marc via cctalk]

If it does we were blissfully unaware of it... You need very little fortunately.
Marc

On Jan 30, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk  
wrote:

On Jan 27, 2018, at 8:35 PM, Curious Marc via cctalk  
wrote:

> Next video: cleaning heads in fragly brewed IPA (the beer). I bet it would 
> work too. Ultrasound in hot solvent cleans stuff that no other method can.
> Marc
> 
> ...On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Carl Claunch via cctech <
> cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
>> The IPA is heated to 60C before the ultrasound is able to remove the
> oxide
>> remnants, FWIW.

I can’t comment on the merits or dangers of India Pale Ale at 60 C :-P.
Does Isopropyl alcohol (um, same as propan-2-ol?) at 60C have enough vapor 
pressure to be a flammability issue? 
Should it be done only under a fume hood, or something like that?
   - Mark

Re:

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

On Jan 27, 2018, at 8:35 PM, Curious Marc via cctalk  
wrote:

> Next video: cleaning heads in fragly brewed IPA (the beer). I bet it would 
> work too. Ultrasound in hot solvent cleans stuff that no other method can.
> Marc
> 
> ...On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Carl Claunch via cctech <
> cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
>> The IPA is heated to 60C before the ultrasound is able to remove the
> oxide
>> remnants, FWIW.

I can’t comment on the merits or dangers of India Pale Ale at 60 C :-P.
Does Isopropyl alcohol (um, same as propan-2-ol?) at 60C have enough vapor 
pressure to be a flammability issue? 
Should it be done only under a fume hood, or something like that?
- Mark

Re: X11 expertise on ancient HW sought... (4-plane visual (overlay) via X-server on MS-WIndows)

[David Brownlee via cctalk]

On 29 January 2018 at 14:22, Dimitris Theodoropoulos via cctalk
 wrote:
> Sorry for undiggind this subject so many years later, but have you found a
> solution to your problem? I am facing exactly the same issue, and i have
> tried all possible windows X server options without success. The only
> possibility I am working with is with a Mac OS X server, which reports a
> 5-bit visual.

What bit-depth do you require on the X-server?

David