A long time ago, I had the incomplete remnants of an oddball terminal which I
retrieved from a junk pile at a small, obscure school in Pasadena. I'll try to
describe it as best I can, based on old memory. I could have sworn that it had
a dataplate label identifying it as a DEC VT02, but that
Hi Jonathan,
That's a nice list. Can you call me some late afternoon or night?
Thanks, Paul
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On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:04 AM, systems_glitch via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Definitely interested in a VT5x or VT78 terminal, potentially a real VT100
> as well (currently
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Personally I prefer the VT420’s, though I’d love a VT340/340+ or VT525.
>
If you really want color, sure a VT525 works for that. But getting a
crisp display on an LCD monitor might take some trial and error before
you find one with
On 9/6/2018 1:15 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Sep 6, 2018, at 1:09 PM, allison via cctalk
wrote:
Mostly about screen memory which back then was small and not cheap.
True. Did the VT05 use core memory for that? I vaguely remember it did.
The VT05 used a shift register bank for the
Heh, another Guy. Who likes short keyboards, same as me. I refuse to use
anything
but 10keyless keyboards, since I object to the extra distance between mouse at
right
and the alpha key area. I never use the numeric pad if it's there.
Guy
At 09:28 AM 6/09/2018 -0700, you wrote:
>My biggest
My recollections, having worked for Stockebra in the comm group when
he started the 50.
These are all recollections, from my time working at DEC, no looking
at history books, no interweb tube alta vista quesries.
50 was a quite brilliant limited capability terminal, that could
replace the OEM'd
Will said
>> Compared to many of the others available at the time, it seemed to me to be:
>>
>> 1. expensive
>
> Keep in mind that this is largely irrelevant. Terminals were often
> used as bargaining chips when large systems were purchased. Salesmen
> could "throw in" some number of terminals
> Compared to many of the others available at the time, it seemed to me to be:
>
> 1. expensive
Keep in mind that this is largely irrelevant. Terminals were often
used as bargaining chips when large systems were purchased. Salesmen
could "throw in" some number of terminals with a system, in
On 9/6/18 2:55 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> If you bought a bought a machine from DEC, you probably needed DEC terminals
> or clones of them to get the best from it. However, the same probably applied
> to other manufacturers.
DEC's keyboard editors didn't talk anything other than
Zane Healy wrote:
>
> Why is the VT100 so popular?
>
It beats me!
Compared to many of the others available at the time, it seemed to me to be:
1. expensive
2. standardised
3. well designed (the protocol, not the physical implementation)
4. complex
5. slow
6. failure prone (keyboard
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Carlo Pisani wrote:
> > > cause it's the simplest, I guess
> > The VT100 was quite complicated compared to contemporary terminals at the
> > time of its introduction.
>
> why do you say that?
> a vt100 terminal requires only a text VDU (video display unit) with
>
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 4:22 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>
>> I know that one did get built,
>
> I had a VT62 a year or two ago.
>
> I know of a few VT72s up north (I have seen them).
Do you know if anyone has software for them? It was bundled with Typeset-11
(TMS-11) and also with the VMS
> I know that one did get built,
I had a VT62 a year or two ago.
I know of a few VT72s up north (I have seen them).
--
Will
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 9/6/18 12:42 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
>> It shows up in some of the DECdirectories (as do a lot of oddball VTs).
>>
>
> Like the VT62 'TRAX' terminal.
I know that one did get built, though probably not
On 9/6/18 12:42 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
> It shows up in some of the DECdirectories (as do a lot of oddball VTs).
>
Like the VT62 'TRAX' terminal.
DEC does a 3270 forms terminal, in it's own special way.
or the VT110 DEC Distributed Plant Management multi-drop terminal.
On 9/6/18 12:28 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> Does the VT100 have a microprocessor?
Yes, an 8080, which sets the time frame for when it was developed.
Later models used a 8085
The biggest hardware innovation was smooth vertical scrolling, and
switching between 80 and 132
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 3:42 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>
>> 2. It was the first DEC terminal with a detachable keyboard (not counting
>> the GT-40) and if you needed an extension cord, you could just get a
>> headphone cord at Radio Shack.
>
> The VT27 preceded the VT100, being a VT52 with
> 2. It was the first DEC terminal with a detachable keyboard (not counting the
> GT-40) and if you needed an extension cord, you could just get a headphone
> cord at Radio Shack.
The VT27 preceded the VT100, being a VT52 with a detachable keyboard -
but there is a good possibility few to none
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>>> cause it's the simplest, I guess
>> The VT100 was quite complicated compared to contemporary terminals at the
>> time of its introduction.
>
> why do you say that?
> a vt100 terminal requires only a text VDU (video display
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk
> wrote:
> ...
> Personally I prefer the VT420’s, though I’d love a VT340/340+ or VT525.
I have more desire to own systems to play on than I have space or time.
Addressing the former, I have to say my favorite VT-100-alike is
> > cause it's the simplest, I guess
> The VT100 was quite complicated compared to contemporary terminals at the
> time of its introduction.
why do you say that?
a vt100 terminal requires only a text VDU (video display unit) with
hw-scrolling support, and a piece of software to support the VT100
Zane, are you talking about the VT100 specifically, or the whole VT1xx line?
My gut feeling is that the VT100 was at most 20% of the production in the whole
VT1xx line. The internal expandability of the VT100 was a cool idea, but
overall sales of VT101, VT102, VT131, and VT132 have to dwarf the
On 09/06/2018 09:37 AM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
> cause it's the simples, I guess
>
The VT100 was quite complicated compared to contemporary terminals at the
time of its introduction.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I used to
On 9/6/18 10:10 AM, Andrew Nesbit via cctalk wrote:
> Second, does there exist anything like a “VT100 operating system”, that
> emulates the VT100 directly on the bare metal of the machine? In this case
> you’d use the external serial port to connect to the target machine.
>
> One example
I am building my own VT100 terminal (FPGA project), and it will be
laptop-shape :P
here I own a Digital VT220, it's a unit with its custom keyboard, with
special keys, the output of the unit is VGA, and it has two serial
ports with a db25 connector
Il giorno gio 6 set 2018 alle ore 19:09 allison
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 1:09 PM, allison via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 09/06/2018 12:54 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> On 9/6/18 9:48 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>>> VT50 seems like it was someone's mistake -- 12 lines, what were they
>>> thinking?
>>
> Mostly about screen memory
Hello all,
The current discussion about why VT100’s are so popular got me to rethinking a
related topic. I’ve been thinking about this in the back of my mind for quite
some time.
First, what is the most faithful emulation software that runs on *nix systems?
Or is it the case that if you are
On 09/06/2018 12:54 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 9/6/18 9:48 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>> VT50 seems like it was someone's mistake -- 12 lines, what were they
>> thinking?
>
Mostly about screen memory which back then was small and not cheap.
Allison
On 9/6/18 9:48 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> VT50 seems like it was someone's mistake -- 12 lines, what were they thinking?
IBM 3270
available in 12 or 24 lines
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 09/06/2018 09:37 AM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
>> cause it's the simples, I guess
>
> I used to naively think that the VT100 was the lowest end Video Terminal.
> Then I subsequently saw references to VT50 and
On 9/6/18 9:28 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote:
> keyboards are *huge*
are too high, and the Hi-Tek plungers in the keys crack and bind (true for the
VT-5x as well)
I'm going through a terminal collecting binge again.
It took me a couple of days to find a terminal with a working
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> We didn't have a single VT100 in the house when we were running a VAX.
>
> C Itoh, CIT-220s in our case. Nice terminals with 14" screens.
We had multiple VT100s and VT101s and VT102s but at some point in the
company's growth
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
wrote:
> My biggest complaint with DEC terminals (and clones) that came after the VT100
> (such as the VT220/VT320/etc) is that the terminals are nice and small but the
> keyboards are *huge* (almost twice the width of the terminal
My biggest complaint with DEC terminals (and clones) that came after the VT100
(such as the VT220/VT320/etc) is that the terminals are nice and small but the
keyboards are *huge* (almost twice the width of the terminal itself).
I like having a keyboard that matches the size of the terminal and
On 09/06/2018 09:37 AM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
cause it's the simples, I guess
I used to naively think that the VT100 was the lowest end Video
Terminal. Then I subsequently saw references to VT50 and VT52. So now
I have no clue.
Maybe it was just the fact that so many things
We didn't have a single VT100 in the house when we were running a VAX.
C Itoh, CIT-220s in our case. Nice terminals with 14" screens.
Lots of VT100/VT220 clones were popular. I did some programming for a
specific VT220 clone from TAB products.
--Chuck
On 09/06/2018 09:03 AM,
I'm personally interested in an original because it's the physical standard
that a lot of imitations and emulations decided to implement. For similar
reasons, I have a LSI ADM-3A -- not because it's the best terminal ever,
but because it is so interwoven into the history of UNIX.
I personally
Popular as a vintage terminal to match up with machines of the same time
period. The 420 is lighter, smaller, has graphics it's not about that stuff
b
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 11:37 AM Carlo Pisani via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> cause it's the simples, I guess
> Il giorno gio 6 set
cause it's the simples, I guess
Il giorno gio 6 set 2018 alle ore 17:35 Zane Healy via cctalk
ha scritto:
>
> Let me start by saying this isn’t intended to start a flame war or anything.
> I’m genuinely curious.
>
> Why is the VT100 so popular?
>
> Personally I prefer the VT420’s, though I’d
Let me start by saying this isn’t intended to start a flame war or anything.
I’m genuinely curious.
Why is the VT100 so popular?
Personally I prefer the VT420’s, though I’d love a VT340/340+ or VT525.
I have VT100’s, 320’s and 420’s. I really only use VT420’s. In fact I have
one sitting
Hi Paul,
When you get to the Robins,
I am looking for the cable that connects the system to the floppy drive unit.
Thanks!
Henk
Van: cctalk namens Paul Anderson via cctalk
Verzonden: Thursday, September 6, 2018 1:17:45 PM
Aan: cct...@vax-11.org;
Definitely interested in a VT5x or VT78 terminal, potentially a real VT100
as well (currently have a C.Itoh CIT-101).
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:22 AM Marc Howard via cctalk
wrote:
> Never mind. I saw the DEC VT in the subject line and skipped over the
> VCFMW.
>
> Maec
>
> On
I have asked Paul Anderson to see if he has a BC80D-5K cable for a DECMATE
VT278 (same as VT78) to RX02 pedestal twin drive. I am also looking for
the OS/8 disks. I am pretty sure my VT278 works, I have some spare parts
too, just need the cable and the disks hopefully to have a working OS/8
Never mind. I saw the DEC VT in the subject line and skipped over the
VCFMW.
Maec
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 5:39 AM Marc Howard wrote:
> Bring where? The Silicon Valley swap meet this Saturday?
>
> I'd be interested in VT-52 parts or a VT-100.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 5:33 AM
Bring where? The Silicon Valley swap meet this Saturday?
I'd be interested in VT-52 parts or a VT-100.
Marc
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 5:33 AM David Griffith via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On September 5, 2018 8:55:45 PM PDT, Paul Anderson via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Vintage techie guys and girls,
Second attempt - hope springs eternal.
Do any of you know where I could get hold of IBM 3850 Mass storage and IBM
2321 Data cell media? 1960s-1970s.
See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3850
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_2321_Data_Cell
If you do, I would
Hi,
for some research on ancient Unix, I am interesting in finding the
source code (tape, etc.) of the so-called "Newcastle connection", aka
"UNIXes of the World Unite!" . See, for instance,
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/13f8/6c18fa780031d76b80f359d6670f9f3debdc.pdf
or
On September 5, 2018 8:55:45 PM PDT, Paul Anderson via cctalk
wrote:
>Is anyone interested in any DEC VT50, VT52(ONE WITH PRINTER), VT78,
>any of the VT100 family, or any other video terminals or monitors or
>parts?
>
>LA35, LA36, LA120, any other printer or parts?
>
>Anything else? If asked, I
I forgot to mention Decmate, Rainbow and Pro units and Parts. The Robins
are still buried.
Paul
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:55 PM, Paul Anderson wrote:
> Is anyone interested in any DEC VT50, VT52(ONE WITH PRINTER), VT78,
> any of the VT100 family, or any other video terminals or monitors or
Paul
Do you have vt78/vt278 rx02 drive interface cables, I will be at vcfmw
Bill
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 11:55 PM Paul Anderson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Is anyone interested in any DEC VT50, VT52(ONE WITH PRINTER), VT78,
> any of the VT100 family, or any other video terminals or
Thanks! Very interested, will respond to you directly in another email.
Marc
On Sep 3, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Ernie via cctalk wrote:
Hi Mark !
Ran across your 2016 note at (
http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2016-July/025530.html ) while
looking for info on the HP9885M Disk Drive.
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