Re: MSDN CD disposition

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

But, if you were to ask for a FORMAL policy statement, then they would have 
to consult their legal department, and assert their IP rights.

(There is no legal recognition of any concept of "abandonware")


On Wed, 31 Oct 2018, geneb wrote:
The default answer would be "no".  Any other answer requires work and would 
not be pursued.

EXACTLY.

Since there is nothing on them that would identify you, there are a number 
of people who would gladly help you to properly dispose of them.


Only if you mean "Upload to the Internet Archive" when you write "dispose". 
;)


Did I ask for trivial petty details of how you would go about destroying 
and disposing?
So long as you assure me that destruction and disposal are done 
"properly", then I would just have to assume that you do it right.



Analogous situation:
A friend and his girlfriend were both on the same expensive prescription 
med.  When he was switched to a different one, she took care of complete 
biological disposal of his leftovers.  Should there be an investigation of 
whether she complied with the official procedures?



Although there is absolutely no sort of legal acknowledgement of the 
concept of "abandonware", there are some situations where prosecution is 
not deemed worth attempting:
BBC is aware that [unauthorized, not great quality] copies of "Hyperland" 
are on the web.

https://archive.org/details/DouglasAdams-Hyperland
They seem to have chosen not to enforce their IP.
I hope that they don't decide to prosecute me for creating 
subtitles/captions for it.  (there WAS a Swedish subtitle distribution 
database that was shut down (not for "Hyperland", and probably not by 
BBC))

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4hCJm9ZEADCblVSVlBxdmZyREU/view?usp=drive_web
(400MB video with subtitles burned in)
.SRT file:
http://www.xenosoft.com/HyperlandCAPS_En_US_0_77.srt
Finding some of the typos would be VERY appreciated!
(eg. I was not previously aware of what an "ice lolly" is; a "popsicle"?, 
and I hope nobody takes offence at my inconsistent spelling of things 
such as "favourite colour grey")



--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: MSDN CD disposition

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 10/31/18 5:40 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

> 
> My previous employer was in MSDNAA.  We got rid of
> 
> all out of date CDs and when they went to downloading
> 
> we had no CDs left.  The rules require that the CDs be
> 
> protected when in out possession and be destroyed
> 
> when expired or replaced.


So, will the MS cops come pounding on my door demanding that I get rid
of old betas of Chicago?

--Chuck

Re: MSDN CD disposition

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 10/31/18 8:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/31/18 5:09 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Since there is nothing on them that would identify you, there are a
>> number of people who would gladly help you to properly dispose of them.
> I wonder how many MSDN subscribers held onto the betas and release
> candidates of various products; e.g., CDs labeled "Code Name Whistler"
>
> I haven't thrown away a single CD since 1994.
>

My previous employer was in MSDNAA.  We got rid of

all out of date CDs and when they went to downloading

we had no CDs left.  The rules require that the CDs be

protected when in out possession and be destroyed

when expired or replaced.


bill

Re: MSDN CD disposition

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 10/31/2018 5:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

On 10/31/18 5:09 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:


Since there is nothing on them that would identify you, there are a
number of people who would gladly help you to properly dispose of them.

I wonder how many MSDN subscribers held onto the betas and release
candidates of various products; e.g., CDs labeled "Code Name Whistler"

I haven't thrown away a single CD since 1994.

--Chuck
I'm a packrat.  Have all I ever got, plus some that were gifted to me by 
tidy bugs.


I've had three MSDN subscriptions for work those are the source of my 
keyed stuff.  Some of the gifted ones are probably useless

because they require keys I didn't get.

thanks
Jim

Re: MSDN CD disposition

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 10/31/18 5:09 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

> Since there is nothing on them that would identify you, there are a
> number of people who would gladly help you to properly dispose of them.

I wonder how many MSDN subscribers held onto the betas and release
candidates of various products; e.g., CDs labeled "Code Name Whistler"

I haven't thrown away a single CD since 1994.

--Chuck

Re: MSDN CD disposition

[geneb via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

But, if you were to ask for a FORMAL policy statement, then they would have 
to consult their legal department, and assert their IP rights.

(There is no legal recognition of any concept of "abandonware")

The default answer would be "no".  Any other answer requires work and 
would not be pursued.


Since there is nothing on them that would identify you, there are a number of 
people who would gladly help you to properly dispose of them.


Only if you mean "Upload to the Internet Archive" when you write 
"dispose". ;)


g.

--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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Re: MSDN CD disposition

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

What's Microsoft's policy on old MSDN CDs?  I've got a ton of them
starting somewhere around 93-94 and extended through the XP years.

Do I respect MS's IP and send them to the crusher?


On a CASUAL basis, they wouldn't really care about any of the discontinued
products.

But, if you were to ask for a FORMAL policy statement, then they would 
have to consult their legal department, and assert their IP rights.

(There is no legal recognition of any concept of "abandonware")


Because of his museum activities, Paul Allen would have been a good one 
to get a written INFORMAL opinion from, because he might have understood 
the concepts.



Since there is nothing on them that would identify you, there are a number 
of people who would gladly help you to properly dispose of them.

Re: MSDN CD disposition

[steve shumaker via cctalk]

On 10/31/2018 4:58 AM, geneb via cctech wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, John Foust via cctalk wrote:


At 04:29 PM 10/29/2018, geneb via cctalk wrote:
There's a ton of them on the IA already.  I would /love/ to get the 
early ones.  My collection begins at 1997 so I would *eagerly* take 
anything previous to that.


Oh, I'd guess I have them all from '94 to 97 at least,
including the non-Intel MIPS and Alpha sets.

Does the Internet Archive had an easy tool that lets me put a CD
in my drive and it'll tell me if they already have it?


You can try searching for the discs you have to see if they're already 
there, but as far as I know, there's nothing automatic like that.


g.

in fact, when asked about duplicates, they will tell you that they 
specifically encourage duplicates as a form of redundancy and will 
encourage duplicate submissions for any material they have.



Steve

Re: PDP, Data General & more (TV show Maniac)

[Ethan Dicks via cctalk]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 9:39 AM Stéphane Tsacas via cctalk
 wrote:
> TV show Maniac (available on netflix), S1E2 @28.48, at least a PDP 11/40,
> 11/05 or 04, RX01, PDP-8, and 2 Data General Eclipse, DEC doc binders, and
> maybe an IBM front panel and more.

Looks like a PDP-8/L to me, with a PC04 high-speed paper tape
punch/reader below it.

-ethan

Re: BBS card, ISA8bit multi serial, 4 channels

[Tom Manos via cctalk]

I have a couple of these as well. The one to have way back when was made by
AST. It had 4 16550 UARTS and could run them all at whatever speed you
wanted.

There was even a public domain program/device driver for it, for UNIX on
x86 called FAS (Final Async Solution) that worked very well. I still have a
copy of it if anyone is running real serial on period hardware and SVR2/3
and maybe others.

I ran these boards for a couple years on my public access UNIX system.

Tom
--
Tom Manos, CTO
Concursive Corporation
222 W 21st, Suite 213
Norfolk, VA. 23517
(757) 627-2760 (office)


On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 6:11 PM Carlo Pisani via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> hi guys
> I have an ISA8bit card with four UART chip on it, and the special cable.
> it comes with the original manual and a floppy (5.25") with drivers
> for XENIX and DOS, etc
>
> it was used for BBS, and I am willing to sell since it's not in use
>
> it's located in Italy (where my parents live), I can ship worldwide
>
> regards
> Carlo
>

Re: PDP, Data General & more (TV show Maniac)

[Steve Malikoff via cctalk]

jim said
> On 10/31/2018 5:29 AM, Stéphane Tsacas via cctalk wrote:
>> TV show Maniac (available on netflix), S1E2 @28.48, at least a PDP 11/40,
>> 11/05 or 04, RX01, PDP-8, and 2 Data General Eclipse, DEC doc binders, and
>> maybe an IBM front panel and more.
>> See
>> https://imgur.com/a/L3iA9CD
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniac_(miniseries)
> I grabbed some more frames in this blog entry.
>
> I'd be interested in the IBM 360 model.  To my eye I think it's a /40
> front panel.  That should
> be the start in my estimation, but it's not lit up, nor are much of the
> other classic stuff.
>
> https://jim-st.blogspot.com/2018/10/maniac-netflix-original-show.html


Its a /30 console. The Model 40 has the four knobs on the left side, and
is the squarest of all the 360 consoles.

Re: Looking for HP Laserjet IIp+ power supply

[Charles via cctalk]

Actually I just fixed it ;)  Never Mind.

I took the supply all the way apart and found one secondary filter cap that
had leaked electrolyte. Cleaned and fixed that, but still no luck. 155 volts
on the main filter cap. Then I noticed that occasionally it would try to
start for a blink but then the voltages would just drop to zero. So I
started looking around the section that had to be for bootstrap power to the
switching regulator, a common TL494 chip with datasheets online. Sure
enough, a small electrolytic on the primary side had blown its bottom out.
The diodes around it were still good. Changed that cap and a couple more
suspicious looking small ones and the voltages came right up (including the
24V once I pushed the cover-open microswitch).
Put it back in the printer, screwed it all together (a very modular design
for easier field servicing) and fired it up. Test page printed perfectly.
Saved some $ on a new laser printer. For now :)

I like these old cinder-block-sized (and weight) printers too. They last
ALMOST forever...

Charles 

Re: PDP, Data General & more (TV show Maniac)

[Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk]

Looks more like a model 30 to me; the model 40 panel has regular lamps rather 
than the lights behind an overlay.

On 10/31/18, 9:16 PM, "cctalk on behalf of jim stephens via cctalk" 
 wrote: 
I'd be interested in the IBM 360 model.  To my eye I think it's a /40 
front panel.  That should
be the start in my estimation, but it's not lit up, nor are much of the 
other classic stuff.

https://jim-st.blogspot.com/2018/10/maniac-netflix-original-show.html

BBS card, ISA8bit multi serial, 4 channels

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi guys
I have an ISA8bit card with four UART chip on it, and the special cable.
it comes with the original manual and a floppy (5.25") with drivers
for XENIX and DOS, etc

it was used for BBS, and I am willing to sell since it's not in use

it's located in Italy (where my parents live), I can ship worldwide

regards
Carlo

Re: i860: Re: modern stuff

[Eric Korpela via cctalk]

A Google search on Skybolt i860 produces interesting results.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:27 PM Eric Korpela 
wrote:

> The i860 did find some use in the radio astronomy world.
>
> Here's an excerpt from the 1998 annual report for the Arecibo
> Observatory...
> --
> Telescope pointing and realtime data acquisition are controlled using a
> network of VMEbus single-board computers running the VxWorks operating
> system kernel. Custom-built data acquisition devices (‘‘backends’’) include
> (1) a general purpose A/D system capable of sampling four analog channels
> at up to 10-MHz rates with programmable resolutions of 1 to 12 bits per
> sample per channel, (2) an ~interim! 50-MHz, 4096-lag Spectral Line
> Correlator with programmable bandwidth from 195 kHz to 50 MHz, (3) a 50-MHz
> Radar Decoder, ~4! a 100-MHz Spectral Line Correlator being developed, (5)
> a 10-MHz bandwidth Pulsar Search/Timing Machine with up to 256 channels,
> and (6) a wideband continuum/polarimetry instrument being developed. An S2
> VLBI system is also available. Additional realtime signal processing
> capability is provided by four Skybolt i860-based VMEbus single-board
> computers with 240 MFLOPS peak combined capacity.
> --
> Remember when 240 MFLOPS was a lot?
>
> I also seem to recall that the SERENDIP III SETI spectrometer used i860
> and Austek A41102 FFT processors.  I'm pretty sure SERENDIP IV used i960
> and Xylinx FPGAs to do the FFTs.  I'll look at the boards tomorrow.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:56 AM Ken Seefried via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> >the i860 found at least a little niche on graphics boards, so somehow
>> >not a complete failure ;-)
>>
>> I'd be mildly surprised if Intel ever made enough from selling i860s
>> as GPUs to cover the cost of developing and marketing them.  At the
>> time, Intel was pushing them as their RISC processor, and put a lot
>> into the program.  Going to take over the world and all that.  Maybe
>> not a 'complete' failure...just mostly.
>>
>> From: Chuck Guzis 
>> >On 10/26/18 6:10 AM, Gordon Henderson via cctalk wrote:
>> >
>> >> However it was a royal PITA to code for although a 32-bit CPU, it would
>> >> read memory 64 bits at a time (actually 128 IIRC to satisfy the cache),
>> >> with half that 64-bit word being an instruction for the integer unit
>> and
>> >> half for the floating point unit, so you effectively had to build a
>> >> floating point pipeline by hand coded instructions, so 8 (I think)
>> >> instructions to load the pipeline, then each subsequent instruction
>> >> would feed another value into the pipe, then another 8 at the end to
>> >> empty it. Great for big matrix operations, rubbish for a single add of
>> 2
>> >> FP numbers.
>> >
>> >My impression of the i860 was that it might have been fun for about 2
>> >weeks for which to code assembly, but after that, you'd really start
>> >looking hard for an HLL to do the dirty work for you.  While there's a
>> >sense of accomplishment over looking at a page of painfully
>> >hand-optimized code that manages to keep everything busy with no
>> >"bubbles", you begin to wonder if there isn't a better way to spend your
>> >life.
>>
>> It wasn't fun for the whole 2 weeks.  And the i860 is Yet Another
>> example of Intel claiming their compilers were going to be so smart
>> that all the architectural complexity/warts will never be noticed.
>> Wrong, and they didn't learn and said the same thing about Itanium.
>> The interrupt stall issue that Gordon pointed out was so bad they were
>> basically relegated to single-task software in the end.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>
>
> --
> Eric Korpela
> korp...@ssl.berkeley.edu
> AST:7731^29u18e3
>


-- 
Eric Korpela
korp...@ssl.berkeley.edu
AST:7731^29u18e3

Re: i860: Re: modern stuff

[Eric Korpela via cctalk]

The i860 did find some use in the radio astronomy world.

Here's an excerpt from the 1998 annual report for the Arecibo Observatory...
--
Telescope pointing and realtime data acquisition are controlled using a
network of VMEbus single-board computers running the VxWorks operating
system kernel. Custom-built data acquisition devices (‘‘backends’’) include
(1) a general purpose A/D system capable of sampling four analog channels
at up to 10-MHz rates with programmable resolutions of 1 to 12 bits per
sample per channel, (2) an ~interim! 50-MHz, 4096-lag Spectral Line
Correlator with programmable bandwidth from 195 kHz to 50 MHz, (3) a 50-MHz
Radar Decoder, ~4! a 100-MHz Spectral Line Correlator being developed, (5)
a 10-MHz bandwidth Pulsar Search/Timing Machine with up to 256 channels,
and (6) a wideband continuum/polarimetry instrument being developed. An S2
VLBI system is also available. Additional realtime signal processing
capability is provided by four Skybolt i860-based VMEbus single-board
computers with 240 MFLOPS peak combined capacity.
--
Remember when 240 MFLOPS was a lot?

I also seem to recall that the SERENDIP III SETI spectrometer used i860 and
Austek A41102 FFT processors.  I'm pretty sure SERENDIP IV used i960 and
Xylinx FPGAs to do the FFTs.  I'll look at the boards tomorrow.



On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:56 AM Ken Seefried via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> >the i860 found at least a little niche on graphics boards, so somehow
> >not a complete failure ;-)
>
> I'd be mildly surprised if Intel ever made enough from selling i860s
> as GPUs to cover the cost of developing and marketing them.  At the
> time, Intel was pushing them as their RISC processor, and put a lot
> into the program.  Going to take over the world and all that.  Maybe
> not a 'complete' failure...just mostly.
>
> From: Chuck Guzis 
> >On 10/26/18 6:10 AM, Gordon Henderson via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> However it was a royal PITA to code for although a 32-bit CPU, it would
> >> read memory 64 bits at a time (actually 128 IIRC to satisfy the cache),
> >> with half that 64-bit word being an instruction for the integer unit and
> >> half for the floating point unit, so you effectively had to build a
> >> floating point pipeline by hand coded instructions, so 8 (I think)
> >> instructions to load the pipeline, then each subsequent instruction
> >> would feed another value into the pipe, then another 8 at the end to
> >> empty it. Great for big matrix operations, rubbish for a single add of 2
> >> FP numbers.
> >
> >My impression of the i860 was that it might have been fun for about 2
> >weeks for which to code assembly, but after that, you'd really start
> >looking hard for an HLL to do the dirty work for you.  While there's a
> >sense of accomplishment over looking at a page of painfully
> >hand-optimized code that manages to keep everything busy with no
> >"bubbles", you begin to wonder if there isn't a better way to spend your
> >life.
>
> It wasn't fun for the whole 2 weeks.  And the i860 is Yet Another
> example of Intel claiming their compilers were going to be so smart
> that all the architectural complexity/warts will never be noticed.
> Wrong, and they didn't learn and said the same thing about Itanium.
> The interrupt stall issue that Gordon pointed out was so bad they were
> basically relegated to single-task software in the end.
>
> KJ
>


-- 
Eric Korpela
korp...@ssl.berkeley.edu
AST:7731^29u18e3

Re: PDP, Data General & more (TV show Maniac)

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 10/31/2018 5:29 AM, Stéphane Tsacas via cctalk wrote:

TV show Maniac (available on netflix), S1E2 @28.48, at least a PDP 11/40,
11/05 or 04, RX01, PDP-8, and 2 Data General Eclipse, DEC doc binders, and
maybe an IBM front panel and more.
See
https://imgur.com/a/L3iA9CD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniac_(miniseries)

I grabbed some more frames in this blog entry.

I'd be interested in the IBM 360 model.  To my eye I think it's a /40 
front panel.  That should
be the start in my estimation, but it's not lit up, nor are much of the 
other classic stuff.


https://jim-st.blogspot.com/2018/10/maniac-netflix-original-show.html

Re: i860: Re: modern stuff

[Chris Hanson via cctalk]

On Oct 30, 2018, at 6:48 AM, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk 
 wrote:
> 
> So, what is this i960-based card for?  Could it be related to what you say in 
> your post?
> 
> https://imgur.com/NIvQPBv 
> https://imgur.com/hsF0jO2 
> https://imgur.com/7f6sxDj 
> https://imgur.com/w96cLhT 
Just from the wording on the label it seems like some sort of telecom card, but 
it could also be a development board for the software that would run on telecom 
systems.

  -- Chris

Re: i860: Re: modern stuff

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 10/30/18 4:27 PM, Michael Thompson via cctech wrote:

> I have a Quad-i860 VME board in one of my Sun systems.

Do you have any of the software for it?

Re: behaviour of classic PDP-8 frontpanel

[Klemens Krause via cctalk]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote:



If you haven't tried it already, a good exercising with contactr
cleaner (stay away from the stuff with oil in it) or isoprop will often
clear up excessive contact bounce on old switches. Getting contact 


May be, but this would only solve one of the problems. In many cases
contact cleaner works some time an then problems come back, because in
the past 50 years the original silver platening of the contacts has gone
away.



For a proper design fix, if the switch has both NO and NC contacts, a
solution might be to build an SR flip-flop from two transistors and a 
few R and interposing that between the switch and logic as a de-bounce 
circuit.


Yes this would solve one problem. But I don't want revise the logic of
such a historic machine.
And the other problem wouldn't be solved: the machine stops if any of
the keys is pressed while the machine is
runnig.
A look behind the panel shows:
are single wired with the
N.O. contacts of the switches. So they have open inputs with a
potential of -1.9V  or -3.9V . Activting one of
these keys makes contact N.O. to ground.
The other keysare connected to the middle of the
N.O - N.C switches. Inactivated N.C. is connected to -15V, bringing
this level to the inputs. Activated, the N.O. makes connection to
ground.
 is simply a switch, which interrupts the common ground-
line of these switches.
The better solution would be a feed back line, which holds the former
ground line to 0V if the "RUN-FF" is reset and puts it to -3,9V or
-15V if "RUN-FF" is set. The first connect of the start key would
start the machine and set "RUN-FF", thus locking the switches by the
processor itself. Subsequent contact bounces would be ignored.
Inadvertent pressing one of the other controlswitches would be ignored
too.
Naturally   and  remain hard wired
to ground, to allow stopping a running machine.
But this improvement would need a siginficant rewiring of the front-
panel which I don't want to do for historical reasons.

Other writers in this thread wrote, that:
On our Straight-8 at the museum, hitting START appears to cause the 
running program to hiccup (I assume it's re-STARTing but who knows from 
where).  I was

Nice word "hiccup", :-) probably the same effect than at our machine.
So this seems to be normal.
May be that was corrected in later machines with higher serial number?
Our machine has serial number #768

More behaviour, that I tested:
 stops the running machine and puts contents of SR in the actual 
address that is in this moment in the MA-register. 
 stops the machine and loads SR in MAR.

 stops the machine and shows content of current address in MAR.
 has no effect.
No one of theses switches ever cleared a memory word. Eventually they
are synchronised with the memory timing chain, whereas  works
asynchronously and clears most or all FFs.

Klemens

PDP, Data General & more (TV show Maniac)

[Stéphane Tsacas via cctalk]

Hi all,

TV show Maniac (available on netflix), S1E2 @28.48, at least a PDP 11/40,
11/05 or 04, RX01, PDP-8, and 2 Data General Eclipse, DEC doc binders, and
maybe an IBM front panel and more.
See
https://imgur.com/a/L3iA9CD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniac_(miniseries)

-- 
stéphane tsacas

Re: Updates at retroarchive.org...

[Adam Sampson via cctalk]

Al Kossow via cctalk  writes:

> On 10/29/18 12:54 PM, geneb wrote:
>> https://archive.org/details/walnutcreekcdrom
> It sure would be nice if you could get a comma separated list of
> metadata instead of a bunch of pretty pictures

It's fairly well hidden, but you can indeed do that:

https://archive.org/advancedsearch.php?q=collection%3Awalnutcreekcdrom[]=identifier=csv

There's some documentation here: .
The "advanced search" form is handy for setting up queries like the above.

The Python internetarchive module comes with a command-line tool "ia"
which can drive much of archive.org's interface programmatically; I use
it for searching and batch uploads/downloads rather than the web
interface.

Cheers,

-- 
Adam Sampson  

Re: Updates at retroarchive.org...

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

>
>
> >>
> >
> > It's very time consuming to browse through that though.
> >
> > It would be nice if you could make the service more
> > accessible. A csv export of a table including metadata for
> > each entry shouldn't be so hard. It would probably save you
> > some bandwith as well.
>
> Take it up with the Internet Archive.  Not my circus, not my monkey.
>
> g.
>
>
For the record you're saying that you have a circus and a monkey but
they're not to be used for such things, or that the Inernet Archive uses
circus monkeys. Because I think that's great, once the circus no longer
needs them that they have a home doing meaningful work.

Re: Updates at retroarchive.org...

[geneb via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 01:53:18PM -0700, geneb via cctalk wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Al Kossow wrote:




On 10/29/18 12:54 PM, geneb wrote:


Here's the Walnut Creek collection: https://archive.org/details/walnutcreekcdrom


It sure would be nice if you could get a comma separated list of metadata 
instead of
a bunch of pretty pictures

THAT is where IA is a colossal FAIL

You realize that you can click a button and get a text list of those
"pretty pictures", right?  Click the "Show Details" checkbox and
you'll get a block of text that describes each one.



It's very time consuming to browse through that though.

It would be nice if you could make the service more
accessible. A csv export of a table including metadata for
each entry shouldn't be so hard. It would probably save you
some bandwith as well.


Take it up with the Internet Archive.  Not my circus, not my monkey.

g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

Re: MSDN CD disposition

[geneb via cctalk]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, John Foust via cctalk wrote:


At 04:29 PM 10/29/2018, geneb via cctalk wrote:

There's a ton of them on the IA already.  I would /love/ to get the early ones. 
 My collection begins at 1997 so I would *eagerly* take anything previous to 
that.


Oh, I'd guess I have them all from '94 to 97 at least,
including the non-Intel MIPS and Alpha sets.

Does the Internet Archive had an easy tool that lets me put a CD
in my drive and it'll tell me if they already have it?


You can try searching for the discs you have to see if they're already 
there, but as far as I know, there's nothing automatic like that.


g.

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Re: Updates at retroarchive.org...

[Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk]

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 01:53:18PM -0700, geneb via cctalk wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Al Kossow wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >On 10/29/18 12:54 PM, geneb wrote:
> >
> >>Here's the Walnut Creek collection: 
> >>https://archive.org/details/walnutcreekcdrom
> >
> >It sure would be nice if you could get a comma separated list of metadata 
> >instead of
> >a bunch of pretty pictures
> >
> >THAT is where IA is a colossal FAIL
> You realize that you can click a button and get a text list of those
> "pretty pictures", right?  Click the "Show Details" checkbox and
> you'll get a block of text that describes each one.
> 

It's very time consuming to browse through that though.

It would be nice if you could make the service more 
accessible. A csv export of a table including metadata for 
each entry shouldn't be so hard. It would probably save you 
some bandwith as well.

/P