Re: George Keremedjiev
not much adjustments... may be easier if you just bypass my messages?
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On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
> wrong not everybody sees it this is the only list serve problems... I
> suppose modern email programs either do not see or know what to do with
> the characters... please consider using the delete key and not reading
> things frI'm me if it bothers,you
> thanks ed#
That is a very good hypothesis.
"Modern" (bordering on profanity in this list) email programs might insert
characters that we are not intended to notice in support of "features"
(also bordering on profanity). When they encounter those special
characters, they know to activate that "feature", and suppress their
display.
But email progams from "LAST MONTH" (prior to the "10 year rule"?) do NOT
recognize, respect, nor understand those "modern" "control" characters.
("Modern" companies, such as Microsoft, Apple, AOL, etc. deprecate the
use of any software or hardware that is not "current")
Email seems to be being handled like word processor file formats - what
happens when you try to load a document from a current version prograam
into a copy of a previous version of the program?
You would never know there was an issue if everybody that you associate is
using the same current programs.
Q: is line wrap ON or OFF in the program?
Q: is "format: flowed" ON or OFF?
Either/both might insert "non-breaking spaces".
These do not seem to be adequately documented in this context -
(differentiation between "bug" and "feature").
Re: Battery warning in Falco terminals
Al, If you're looking for a service manual for that HP2624 you might have a look at the manual for the MAI 4309; it's the same board with a few minor differences (memory) and different firmware. And of course it's on bitsavers ;-) mike
Re: George Keremedjiev
if I type an extra space I am sure every one sees it. but the chars not everyone sees them. what I do figure us the older email programs are not accepting of all charter sets? ( dunno if I am using the right term) Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 Fred Cisin wrote: Ed, It is YOUR mail program that is doing the extraneous insertions, and then not showing them to you when you view your own messages. ALL of us see either extraneous characters, or extraneous spaces in everything that you send! I use PINE in a shell account, and they show up as a whole bunch of inappropriate spaces. Seriously, YOUR mail program is inserting extraneous stuff. Everybody? but you sees it. > who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? It is YOUR mail program that is "doing that"!! On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? > > > In a message dated 11/21/2018 1:25:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > > At 02:03 PM 11/21/2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > >> I sold him my extra classic 8 with the plexi covers on it... sn 200 >> series we kept sn #18 > > Side question: What process is turning non-blanking spaces into ISO-8859-1 > circumflex-A for you? > > I see 'Â' all throughout your emails. > > - John
Re: George Keremedjiev
some blank spaces whereas us 2 instead of one is some times bad mr. hand Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 Fred Cisin wrote: Ed, It is YOUR mail program that is doing the extraneous insertions, and then not showing them to you when you view your own messages. ALL of us see either extraneous characters, or extraneous spaces in everything that you send! I use PINE in a shell account, and they show up as a whole bunch of inappropriate spaces. Seriously, YOUR mail program is inserting extraneous stuff. Everybody? but you sees it. > who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? It is YOUR mail program that is "doing that"!! On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? > > > In a message dated 11/21/2018 1:25:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > > At 02:03 PM 11/21/2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > >> I sold him my extra classic 8 with the plexi covers on it... sn 200 >> series we kept sn #18 > > Side question: What process is turning non-blanking spaces into ISO-8859-1 > circumflex-A for you? > > I see 'Â' all throughout your emails. > > - John
Re: George Keremedjiev
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
wrong not everybody sees it this is the only list serve problems... I
suppose modern email programs either do not see or know what to do with
the characters... please consider using the delete key and not reading
things frI'm me if it bothers,you
thanks ed#
That is a very good hypothesis.
"Modern" (bordering on profanity in this list) email programs might insert
characters that we are not intended to notice in support of "features"
(also bordering on profanity). When they encounter those special
characters, they know to activate that "feature", and suppress their
display.
But email progams from "LAST MONTH" (prior to the "10 year rule"?) do NOT
recognize, respect, nor understand those "modern" "control" characters.
("Modern" companies, such as Microsoft, Apple, AOL, etc. deprecate the
use of any software or hardware that is not "current")
Email seems to be being handled like word processor file formats - what
happens when you try to load a document from a current version prograam
into a copy of a previous version of the program?
You would never know there was an issue if everybody that you associate is
using the same current programs.
Q: is line wrap ON or OFF in the program?
Q: is "format: flowed" ON or OFF?
Either/both might insert "non-breaking spaces".
These do not seem to be adequately documented in this context -
(differentiation between "bug" and "feature").
Re: Teletype cheap
Steve... many are,missing the Chad box... I bet there,are,enough people here mkissing some to Warrent making some. It might be a good group project. ed# www.smecc.org Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: It lives!! Retrieved the EPay ASR33 over the weekend. Unit described as "As is - for parts" turned out to be almost completely intact school surplus unit stored inside somewhere in Orange county since removed from service in mid 80s (professionally maintained w service tag dated 1984). Realized as soon as I saw it up close that it was in far better shape than expected. Plastic parts have three minor breaks not immediately visible and probably reparable Case parts missing: chad box, tape punch cover; copy tray Internally, seems completely intact except for 2 of the 4 gold pins in the tape reader along with their springs Keyboard cover has 2 plastic pins broken but unit stays in place and keys move correctly except for the space bar which doesn't return when pressed. Keys are worn but in fairly good shape although two are cracked. Weird comms setup. Although from my reading it sounds as there was no standard, this one doesn't match anything I've found in the hobbyist lit so far: Neither plug 2 nor the terminal strip are in use at all (terminal strip only has pos 1 and 2 in use for power). Unit has two external cables that appear original since they both have the same thread style cable ties in use in the internal wire harness. One cable ends in a molex plug and the other in a small "centronics" style plug. Wires for the centronics style connector terminate in plug 1 and 3. Another (related?) anomaly: the large resistor associated with the current loop setup isn't present. So, inspected everything, as recommended here, replaced the print hammer pad, checked caps and all fuses. Motor turned freely by hand when gently pushed. Plugged it in, turned it on to local and it fired right up. All keyboard functions appear to work. Questions: Anyone recognize the cabling setup? Are the missing gold colored double pins in the tape reader replaceable? What sort of adhesive works for cracks in the cover under the hood photos here for the curious: https://photos.app.goo.gl/endqTANG3mZgWG3q8 Steve On 10/26/2018 7:39 PM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: > OK, got it. Will be my first one. Now, how does one transport the > thing? Does it easily come off the pedestal? Can it be laid on > it's back? Anything need to be secured before it gets moved? > > Steve > > n 10/24/2018 6:56 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Teletype-Machine-Model-3320-3WA-Teletypewriter-AS-IS-FOR-PARTS-local-pick-up/142981290439?hash=item214a5959c7:g:UXoAAOSwmXJbylEN:rk:6:pf:1=true >> >> >> >> b >> > >
Re: George Keremedjiev
re blank spaces,yep they get in there... ed# On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote: On 21/11/2018 22:46, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > On 11/21/18 5:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> Ed, >> It is YOUR mail program that is doing the extraneous insertions, and >> then not showing them to you when you view your own messages. >> >> Seriously, YOUR mail program is inserting extraneous stuff. >> Everybody? but you sees it. > I don't. I didn't see it until someone replied with a > copy of the offending text included. I see the extra spaces, which are non-break spaces. I think the reason John was seeing uppercase A-circumflex characters is because Ed's email is using UTF-8; however John's email client isn't respecting the header that says so, and is using Western (ISO-8859-1). NBSP in UTF-8 is A-circumflex in Western. Amusingly, Bill's reply also contains a NBSP (after the full stop in "don't".), which displays as A-circumflex when I change the coding in my client. -- Pete Pete Turnbull Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Re: George Keremedjiev
wrong not everybody sees it this is the only list serve problems... I suppose modern email programs either do not see or know what to do with the characters... please consider using the delete key and not reading things frI'm me if it bothers,you thanks ed# Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote: On 21/11/2018 22:46, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > On 11/21/18 5:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> Ed, >> It is YOUR mail program that is doing the extraneous insertions, and >> then not showing them to you when you view your own messages. >> >> Seriously, YOUR mail program is inserting extraneous stuff. >> Everybody? but you sees it. > I don't. I didn't see it until someone replied with a > copy of the offending text included. I see the extra spaces, which are non-break spaces. I think the reason John was seeing uppercase A-circumflex characters is because Ed's email is using UTF-8; however John's email client isn't respecting the header that says so, and is using Western (ISO-8859-1). NBSP in UTF-8 is A-circumflex in Western. Amusingly, Bill's reply also contains a NBSP (after the full stop in "don't".), which displays as A-circumflex when I change the coding in my client. -- Pete Pete Turnbull
Re: George Keremedjiev
I spent six weeks at MSU Bozeman this past Summer integrating a performance-boosting, wide-area network-distributed database enhancement to an augmented reality project sponsored through the Western Transportation Institute there. I thoroughly enjoyed visiting the museum, which is a couple of blocks from WTI, and I was working some weekend and Summer time into my schedule to volunteer there. However, with George’s passing, that means I’ll need to step up even more, despite the 6.5-hour round trip from where I’m teaching STEM, including computing and robotics. I started as one of the early senior docents at the Computer History Museum when it was in the uninsulated metal Butler buildings across from Hangar One at Moffett Field. Then I participated in the move to its current location in Silicon Graphics’ former international marketing building on North Shoreline Blvd, followed by the opening of the R|Evolution exhibit. I then worked on the exhibition of Babbage Difference Engine Design Number Two, Serial Number Two, which I presented, operated, and maintained. That’s real vintage computing, where the operator isn’t just the power supply, but also provides critical timing as the clock, cranking steadily despite a change in required force from a few pounds up to about 25 pounds during each cycle! All the Best, Jim On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 20:31 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > This has not been a good few months for historical/vintage computer people > > > https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/bozeman-founder-of-american-computer-museum-dies/article_cad693eb-f70e-5f1c-94d4-78590e64b430.html > >
Re: George Keremedjiev
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 02:24:55PM -0600, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > At 02:03 PM 11/21/2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > >I sold him my extra classic 8 with the plexi covers on it... sn 200 > > series we kept sn #18 > > Side question: What process is turning non-blanking spaces into ISO-8859-1 > circumflex-A for you? > > I see 'Â' all throughout your emails. Myself, under mutt, I see doublespaces. But! I selected some of the original text from Ed, c-pasted onto another console and... $ echo "I sold him my extra classic 8 with the" | hexdump -C 49 c2 a0 20 73 6f 6c 64 c2 a0 20 68 69 6d 20 6d |I.. sold.. him m| 0010 79 c2 a0 20 65 78 74 72 61 20 63 6c 61 73 73 69 |y.. extra classi| 0020 63 20 38 c2 a0 20 77 69 74 68 20 74 68 65 0a |c 8.. with the.| 002f See? There are extra "c2 a0" bytes in front of some 0x20 spaces. I wonder how did they get there? -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: Odd Hp leds in dip package
But the HDSP 2010 have only 12 pins. I think his are 28 pins, hence the HDSP 2450 suggestion, the closest I could find working off my 1986 catalog. Marc From: cctalk on behalf of "cctalk@classiccmp.org" Reply-To: Al Kossow , "cctalk@classiccmp.org" Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM To: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" Subject: Re: Odd Hp leds in dip package probably hdsp-2010 1988 opto catalog pg 609 in the scan On 11/21/18 8:30 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 11/21/18 7:52 AM, devin davison via cctalk wrote: Hello. Encountered a couple odd parts in the pile today, not sure if they are anything special. they're pretty cool quad 5x7 alphanumeric LEDs check http://bitsavers.org/components/hp
Re: Teletype cheap
It lives!! Retrieved the EPay ASR33 over the weekend. Unit described as "As is - for parts" turned out to be almost completely intact school surplus unit stored inside somewhere in Orange county since removed from service in mid 80s (professionally maintained w service tag dated 1984). Realized as soon as I saw it up close that it was in far better shape than expected. Plastic parts have three minor breaks not immediately visible and probably reparable Case parts missing: chad box, tape punch cover; copy tray Internally, seems completely intact except for 2 of the 4 gold pins in the tape reader along with their springs Keyboard cover has 2 plastic pins broken but unit stays in place and keys move correctly except for the space bar which doesn't return when pressed. Keys are worn but in fairly good shape although two are cracked. Weird comms setup. Although from my reading it sounds as there was no standard, this one doesn't match anything I've found in the hobbyist lit so far: Neither plug 2 nor the terminal strip are in use at all (terminal strip only has pos 1 and 2 in use for power). Unit has two external cables that appear original since they both have the same thread style cable ties in use in the internal wire harness. One cable ends in a molex plug and the other in a small "centronics" style plug. Wires for the centronics style connector terminate in plug 1 and 3. Another (related?) anomaly: the large resistor associated with the current loop setup isn't present. So, inspected everything, as recommended here, replaced the print hammer pad, checked caps and all fuses. Motor turned freely by hand when gently pushed. Plugged it in, turned it on to local and it fired right up. All keyboard functions appear to work. Questions: Anyone recognize the cabling setup? Are the missing gold colored double pins in the tape reader replaceable? What sort of adhesive works for cracks in the cover under the hood photos here for the curious: https://photos.app.goo.gl/endqTANG3mZgWG3q8 Steve On 10/26/2018 7:39 PM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: OK, got it. Will be my first one. Now, how does one transport the thing? Does it easily come off the pedestal? Can it be laid on it's back? Anything need to be secured before it gets moved? Steve n 10/24/2018 6:56 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Teletype-Machine-Model-3320-3WA-Teletypewriter-AS-IS-FOR-PARTS-local-pick-up/142981290439?hash=item214a5959c7:g:UXoAAOSwmXJbylEN:rk:6:pf:1=true b
Re: George Keremedjiev
On 21/11/2018 22:46, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 11/21/18 5:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Ed, It is YOUR mail program that is doing the extraneous insertions, and then not showing them to you when you view your own messages. Seriously, YOUR mail program is inserting extraneous stuff. Everybody? but you sees it. I don't. I didn't see it until someone replied with a copy of the offending text included. I see the extra spaces, which are non-break spaces. I think the reason John was seeing uppercase A-circumflex characters is because Ed's email is using UTF-8; however John's email client isn't respecting the header that says so, and is using Western (ISO-8859-1). NBSP in UTF-8 is A-circumflex in Western. Amusingly, Bill's reply also contains a NBSP (after the full stop in "don't".), which displays as A-circumflex when I change the coding in my client. -- Pete Pete Turnbull
Re: Manuals looking for a home
On 21/11/2018 20:08, Mike Norris via cctalk wrote: Hi Guys, I have the following manuals looking for a home, free except for postage/delivery. (Based in UK). 1. 11/44 Field Maintenance Print Set (includes memory inverter, MS11-M, TU58) 2. RWP04 moving head disk subsystem maintenance manual 3. RM05 Disk Subsystem User guide + RM05 Fault Isolation Guide + RM05 IPB + RM05 Disk Subsystem Service Manual 4. DEC Station 220 Installation and Operations Guide 5. RA80 Maintenance Guide + RA81 Disk Drive Maintenance Guide + RA60 Maintenance Guide 6. MDM Microvax Diagnostic Monitor User's guide + Wartips (Warrington Support) - SID Registers, Boot lists, DCL Bits 7 Bobs. Will happily give further details if required, otherwise these go into recycling Hi, It looks like you have a taker for some of those manuals already. To be honest I have too much stuff already so I'm hoping that someone else does come along to take (1), (2) and (4), but no-one does, please let me know and I'll pony up the necessary postage. Thanks Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: George Keremedjiev
On 11/21/2018 5:46 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 11/21/18 5:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Ed, It is YOUR mail program that is doing the extraneous insertions, and then not showing them to you when you view your own messages. ALL of us see either extraneous characters, or extraneous spaces in everything that you send! I use PINE in a shell account, and they show up as a whole bunch of inappropriate spaces. Seriously, YOUR mail program is inserting extraneous stuff. Everybody? but you sees it. I don't. I didn't see it until someone replied with a copy of the offending text included. bill I see them, and have for a long time. - j.
Re: George Keremedjiev
On 11/21/18 5:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Ed, > It is YOUR mail program that is doing the extraneous insertions, and > then not showing them to you when you view your own messages. > > ALL of us see either extraneous characters, or extraneous spaces in > everything that you send! > I use PINE in a shell account, and they show up as a whole bunch of > inappropriate spaces. > > Seriously, YOUR mail program is inserting extraneous stuff. > Everybody? but you sees it. > I don't. I didn't see it until someone replied with a copy of the offending text included. bill
Re: George Keremedjiev
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: who knows? Maybe George Keremedjiev would have known. He was from the era of [several] standardized character sets, BEFORE the denial responses of "Well, MY mail program can display the stuff thet MY mail program creates, so everybody else's must be wrong!"
Re: George Keremedjiev
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Those chars (excess crap in Ed's posts) c o me from microsoft i.e. I bet you are using Outlook I don't get such extraaneous crap from anybody else using Outhouse.
Re: George Keremedjiev
Ed, It is YOUR mail program that is doing the extraneous insertions, and then not showing them to you when you view your own messages. ALL of us see either extraneous characters, or extraneous spaces in everything that you send! I use PINE in a shell account, and they show up as a whole bunch of inappropriate spaces. Seriously, YOUR mail program is inserting extraneous stuff. Everybody? but you sees it. who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? It is YOUR mail program that is "doing that"!! On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? In a message dated 11/21/2018 1:25:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: At 02:03 PM 11/21/2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: I sold him my extra classic 8 with the plexi covers on it... sn 200 series we kept sn #18 Side question: What process is turning non-blanking spaces into ISO-8859-1 circumflex-A for you? I see 'Â' all throughout your emails. - John
Re: George Keremedjiev
Those chars c o me from microsoft i.e. I bet you are using Outlook On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 4:17 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? > > > In a message dated 11/21/2018 1:25:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > > At 02:03 PM 11/21/2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > >I sold him my extra classic 8 with the plexi covers on it... sn 200 > series we kept sn #18 > > Side question: What process is turning non-blanking spaces into ISO-8859-1 > circumflex-A for you? > > I see 'Â' all throughout your emails. > > - John > >
Re: George Keremedjiev
sounds like your nail program fault or setting. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 03:17 PM 11/21/2018, ED SHARPE wrote: >who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? A classic computer one, of course. Eudora 7.1 circa 2006. - John
Re: George Keremedjiev
At 03:17 PM 11/21/2018, ED SHARPE wrote: >who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? A classic computer one, of course. Eudora 7.1 circa 2006. - John
Re: George Keremedjiev
who knows? what mail program are you using that does that? In a message dated 11/21/2018 1:25:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: At 02:03 PM 11/21/2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: >I sold him my extra classic 8 with the plexi covers on it... sn 200 >series we kept sn #18 Side question: What process is turning non-blanking spaces into ISO-8859-1 circumflex-A for you? I see 'Â' all throughout your emails. - John
Re: Manuals looking for a home
Hi Mike, Could I take 3, 5 & 6. I am also in the uk. If that is ok, I will send you my details and payment for postage. Thanks, Mark Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Nov 2018, at 20:08, Mike Norris via cctalk > wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > I have the following manuals looking for a home, free except for > postage/delivery. (Based in UK). > > > 1. > 11/44 Field Maintenance Print Set (includes memory inverter, MS11-M, TU58) > 2. > RWP04 moving head disk subsystem maintenance manual > 3. > RM05 Disk Subsystem User guide + RM05 Fault Isolation Guide + RM05 IPB + RM05 > Disk Subsystem Service Manual > 4. > DEC Station 220 Installation and Operations Guide > 5. > RA80 Maintenance Guide + RA81 Disk Drive Maintenance Guide + RA60 Maintenance > Guide > 6. > MDM Microvax Diagnostic Monitor User's guide + Wartips (Warrington Support) - > SID Registers, Boot lists, DCL Bits 7 Bobs. > > > Will happily give further details if required, otherwise these go into > recycling > > > Regards Mike Norris
Re: George Keremedjiev
At 02:03 PM 11/21/2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: >I sold him my extra classic 8 with the plexi covers on it... sn 200 >series we kept sn #18 Side question: What process is turning non-blanking spaces into ISO-8859-1 circumflex-A for you? I see 'Â' all throughout your emails. - John
Manuals looking for a home
Hi Guys, I have the following manuals looking for a home, free except for postage/delivery. (Based in UK). 1. 11/44 Field Maintenance Print Set (includes memory inverter, MS11-M, TU58) 2. RWP04 moving head disk subsystem maintenance manual 3. RM05 Disk Subsystem User guide + RM05 Fault Isolation Guide + RM05 IPB + RM05 Disk Subsystem Service Manual 4. DEC Station 220 Installation and Operations Guide 5. RA80 Maintenance Guide + RA81 Disk Drive Maintenance Guide + RA60 Maintenance Guide 6. MDM Microvax Diagnostic Monitor User's guide + Wartips (Warrington Support) - SID Registers, Boot lists, DCL Bits 7 Bobs. Will happily give further details if required, otherwise these go into recycling Regards Mike Norris
Re: George Keremedjiev
I sold him my extra classic 8 with the plexi covers on it... sn 200 series we kept sn #18 I was at the computer biz in those days so this was over 26 years ago. Enjoyed our visit. Sad to see him go... scarry to hear of this being close to that age also. Good bye George... Ed# In a message dated 11/21/2018 6:40:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: If I might say so, Keremedjiev was one of the people in the 90's who helped define "vintage computer" and who selected which computers were part of its original pantheon (Altair, IMSAI,etc.). I recall his museum web site was one of the first web sites about vintage computing along with Ira Goldklang's TRS 80 site and a few others. I never made it there myself in person. I hope someone keeps the museum going. On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 11:16 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > This has not been a good few months for historical/vintage computer people > > > https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/bozeman-founder-of-american-computer-museum-dies/article_cad693eb-f70e-5f1c-94d4-78590e64b430.html > >
Re: Odd Hp leds in dip package
You and me are thinking alike. Just making sure im not taking away a hard to find part from someone else that desperately needs it. --Devin D. On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 1:36 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Those would make the coolest wristwatch ever. I can help wth PCB design and > microcontroller firmware if that's your intended use; I made a watch with > an old LED bubble display a while ago ( > https://www.andersknelson.com/blog/?p=11) though I'm aware these are > matrix > displays and not seven-segment. > > =] > -- > Anders Nelson > > +1 (517) 775-6129 > > www.erogear.com > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 1:31 PM Al Kossow via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > probably hdsp-2010 > > 1988 opto catalog pg 609 in the scan > > > > On 11/21/18 8:30 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 11/21/18 7:52 AM, devin davison via cctalk wrote: > > >> Hello. Encountered a couple odd parts in the pile today, not sure if > > they > > >> are anything special. > > > > > > they're pretty cool quad 5x7 alphanumeric LEDs > > > > > > check http://bitsavers.org/components/hp > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Battery warning in Falco terminals
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:23 AM Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > > BTW, for some reason I get some of your (Al's) posts _after_ I've received > replies to them, sometimes almost a day later; very confusing. It seems to be > related to the fact that some of your posts are addressed to > 'cctalk@classiccmp' while others are addressed to 'General Discussion'. > > Am I the only one to whom that happens? Any idea why? No, you are not the only one that has been seeing this. I have only noticed this happening in the last couple of weeks. In some cases I have been seeing replies to original posts hours or a day before I finally receive the original post. Off hand I don't recall if I have seen this with posters other than Al. Is this a gmail thing, or a classiccmp server thing?
Re: Battery warning in Falco terminals
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:22:16 -0500 Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Al Kossow via cctalk" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: Battery warning in Falco terminals > > > > > > > > On 11/20/18 12:33 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > > > >> BTW, what's the story on Richard in SLC; is there a new address > >> for the Terminal Wiki? > > > > https://terminals-wiki.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > > > > > That address consistently returns "This site can't be reached." I have no problems getting to the site... --snip-- Lyle -- 73 NM6Y Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
Re: Odd Hp leds in dip package
Those would make the coolest wristwatch ever. I can help wth PCB design and microcontroller firmware if that's your intended use; I made a watch with an old LED bubble display a while ago ( https://www.andersknelson.com/blog/?p=11) though I'm aware these are matrix displays and not seven-segment. =] -- Anders Nelson +1 (517) 775-6129 www.erogear.com On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 1:31 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > probably hdsp-2010 > 1988 opto catalog pg 609 in the scan > > On 11/21/18 8:30 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > On 11/21/18 7:52 AM, devin davison via cctalk wrote: > >> Hello. Encountered a couple odd parts in the pile today, not sure if > they > >> are anything special. > > > > they're pretty cool quad 5x7 alphanumeric LEDs > > > > check http://bitsavers.org/components/hp > > > > > >
Re: Odd Hp leds in dip package
Looks like the HDSP-2490: http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/articleview.php?item=9 Datasheet: https://mkmakerspace.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/HDSP-2490.pdf These are shift register displays, you clock in column data on a common clock. Similar to the HDSP-2010 and relatives. Quite expensive when new, still very desirable today. Don't let the smoke out :P Thanks, Jonathan On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:36 PM Curious Marc via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Try to look up HDSP-2450. These are 5x7 alphanumeric displays with shift > register drivers included. Yours might be an earlier version of that, or > just a commercial temp version of that (the HDSPs are extended temp > -55/85C). Maybe the internal part used in the HP9825 or HP 9830 displays, > then later commercially sold as the HDSP 2xxx series. I can scan the HDSP > data sheet if you can’t find it online. Maybe this will help: > https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=5=2ahUKEwirg4e0_-XeAhWHd98KHVa5AD8QFjAEegQIJhAC=http%3A%2F%2Felectron-pv.com%2FPDFs%2FLED%2FHDSP-2xxx%2520AppNote.pdf=AOvVaw1JF1llgVbDdAbcK8UMBie9 > > If you don’t need them I’ll take them :-D > > Marc > > > > From: cctalk on behalf of " > cctalk@classiccmp.org" > Reply-To: devin davison , "cctalk@classiccmp.org" < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:53 AM > To: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" > Subject: Odd Hp leds in dip package > > > > Hello. Encountered a couple odd parts in the pile today, not sure if they > > are anything special. Hp branded dip packages with gold leads. They appear > > to be leds in 4 grid patterns on the face. Im curious what they are out of, > > most likely an old hp computer or calculator. > > > > Part number on the back is hp5033592-101 > > > > i could not find any information online about them. If they are of use to > > someone with a hp conputer let me know. If not im trying to find a > > datasheet and use them in a project. > > > > Pictures : > > > > https://i.postimg.cc/dtJTGZfm/2018-11-21-10-48-34.jpg > > > > https://i.postimg.cc/pL6hNGLq/2018-11-21-10-49-19.jpg > > > > https://i.postimg.cc/C1Nw054S/2018-11-21-10-50-37.jpg > > > >
Vintage Datacomm Porn (SFW)
I have completed a scan of the December 1972 issue of "Communications News" and posted it to archive.org: https://archive.org/details/CommunicationsNewsV9N12/page/n0 Lots of great info and (mostly tiny) pics in here for fans of terminals, modems, early online networks and the growing data communications and computer telephony industries. And a big color ad for a Silent700 ASR! Google Books holds a lot of the other industry journals (the "__ World" types) but as far as I can tell, there are no other issues of this publication online. -j
Re: Odd Hp leds in dip package
Try to look up HDSP-2450. These are 5x7 alphanumeric displays with shift register drivers included. Yours might be an earlier version of that, or just a commercial temp version of that (the HDSPs are extended temp -55/85C). Maybe the internal part used in the HP9825 or HP 9830 displays, then later commercially sold as the HDSP 2xxx series. I can scan the HDSP data sheet if you can’t find it online. Maybe this will help: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=5=2ahUKEwirg4e0_-XeAhWHd98KHVa5AD8QFjAEegQIJhAC=http%3A%2F%2Felectron-pv.com%2FPDFs%2FLED%2FHDSP-2xxx%2520AppNote.pdf=AOvVaw1JF1llgVbDdAbcK8UMBie9 If you don’t need them I’ll take them :-D Marc From: cctalk on behalf of "cctalk@classiccmp.org" Reply-To: devin davison , "cctalk@classiccmp.org" Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:53 AM To: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" Subject: Odd Hp leds in dip package Hello. Encountered a couple odd parts in the pile today, not sure if they are anything special. Hp branded dip packages with gold leads. They appear to be leds in 4 grid patterns on the face. Im curious what they are out of, most likely an old hp computer or calculator. Part number on the back is hp5033592-101 i could not find any information online about them. If they are of use to someone with a hp conputer let me know. If not im trying to find a datasheet and use them in a project. Pictures : https://i.postimg.cc/dtJTGZfm/2018-11-21-10-48-34.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/pL6hNGLq/2018-11-21-10-49-19.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/C1Nw054S/2018-11-21-10-50-37.jpg
Re: Odd Hp leds in dip package
On 11/21/2018 09:52 AM, devin davison via cctalk wrote: Hello. Encountered a couple odd parts in the pile today, not sure if they are anything special. Hp branded dip packages with gold leads. They appear to be leds in 4 grid patterns on the face. Im curious what they are out of, most likely an old hp computer or calculator. Part number on the back is hp5033592-101 i could not find any information online about them. If they are of use to someone with a hp conputer let me know. If not im trying to find a datasheet and use them in a project. Pictures : https://i.postimg.cc/dtJTGZfm/2018-11-21-10-48-34.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/pL6hNGLq/2018-11-21-10-49-19.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/C1Nw054S/2018-11-21-10-50-37.jpg These are complete dot-matrix alphanumeric displays, with the driver chips in the package. The HP5033 is the base part number. They are likely to be 30+ years old, and documentation might be hard to come by. Jon
Re: Odd Hp leds in dip package
probably hdsp-2010 1988 opto catalog pg 609 in the scan On 11/21/18 8:30 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 11/21/18 7:52 AM, devin davison via cctalk wrote: >> Hello. Encountered a couple odd parts in the pile today, not sure if they >> are anything special. > > they're pretty cool quad 5x7 alphanumeric LEDs > > check http://bitsavers.org/components/hp > >
Re: Odd Hp leds in dip package
On 11/21/18 7:52 AM, devin davison via cctalk wrote: > Hello. Encountered a couple odd parts in the pile today, not sure if they > are anything special. they're pretty cool quad 5x7 alphanumeric LEDs check http://bitsavers.org/components/hp
Odd Hp leds in dip package
Hello. Encountered a couple odd parts in the pile today, not sure if they are anything special. Hp branded dip packages with gold leads. They appear to be leds in 4 grid patterns on the face. Im curious what they are out of, most likely an old hp computer or calculator. Part number on the back is hp5033592-101 i could not find any information online about them. If they are of use to someone with a hp conputer let me know. If not im trying to find a datasheet and use them in a project. Pictures : https://i.postimg.cc/dtJTGZfm/2018-11-21-10-48-34.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/pL6hNGLq/2018-11-21-10-49-19.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/C1Nw054S/2018-11-21-10-50-37.jpg
Re: Battery warning in Falco terminals
- Original Message - From: "Al Kossow via cctalk" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Battery warning in Falco terminals > > > On 11/20/18 12:33 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > >> BTW, what's the story on Richard in SLC; is there a new address for the >> Terminal Wiki? >> > > https://terminals-wiki.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > That address consistently returns "This site can't be reached." BTW, for some reason I get some of your (Al's) posts _after_ I've received replies to them, sometimes almost a day later; very confusing. It seems to be related to the fact that some of your posts are addressed to 'cctalk@classiccmp' while others are addressed to 'General Discussion'. Am I the only one to whom that happens? Any idea why?
Re: cctalk/cctech
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:34 AM Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 06:18:25AM -0800, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > On 11/21/18 6:06 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > >I thought cctalk was supposed to be a complete superset of cctech, but > > >looking at the cctech archives, I see a lot of posts that didn't make it > > >to cctalk. Does one need to do both to see everything? > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > Yes, unfortunately. > > Most of the "removing PVA" thread never made it to cctlk > > > > I think it's time for cctech to die. > > > > > > I agree! > > Not die so much as one become an alias of the other. I actually use them both, depending on the nature of my question. Someone should run a set of tests. b
Re: cctalk/cctech
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 06:18:25AM -0800, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > On 11/21/18 6:06 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > >I thought cctalk was supposed to be a complete superset of cctech, but > >looking at the cctech archives, I see a lot of posts that didn't make it > >to cctalk. Does one need to do both to see everything? > > > > Noel > > > > Yes, unfortunately. > Most of the "removing PVA" thread never made it to cctlk > > I think it's time for cctech to die. > > I agree! /P
Re: cctalk/cctech
On 11/21/18 6:06 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: I thought cctalk was supposed to be a complete superset of cctech, but looking at the cctech archives, I see a lot of posts that didn't make it to cctalk. Does one need to do both to see everything? Noel Yes, unfortunately. Most of the "removing PVA" thread never made it to cctlk I think it's time for cctech to die.
cctalk/cctech
I thought cctalk was supposed to be a complete superset of cctech, but looking at the cctech archives, I see a lot of posts that didn't make it to cctalk. Does one need to do both to see everything? Noel
Re: George Keremedjiev
If I might say so, Keremedjiev was one of the people in the 90's who helped define "vintage computer" and who selected which computers were part of its original pantheon (Altair, IMSAI,etc.). I recall his museum web site was one of the first web sites about vintage computing along with Ira Goldklang's TRS 80 site and a few others. I never made it there myself in person. I hope someone keeps the museum going. On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 11:16 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > This has not been a good few months for historical/vintage computer people > > > https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/bozeman-founder-of-american-computer-museum-dies/article_cad693eb-f70e-5f1c-94d4-78590e64b430.html > >
Re: [EXTERNAL] VCF PNW 2019: Exhibitors needed!
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 02:57, Michael Brutman via cctalk wrote: > > Emulators do great things, but they can't replace the visceral > experience of touching real old working hardware. Take the example > the sound of a modem making a 1200 bps connection, or the grinding > noise of a floppy drive zero-track seeking at bootup. Or how > inconvenient it is to shuffle floppy disks around. Or the slightly > out of focus look of a CRT monitor. (If you focused one area, you put > another area out of focus ...) I agree... but with an exception that came as a slight surprise to me when I first encountered it. I learned VMS and Fortran on a VAX 11-780 cluster in the mid-1980s. I used the computers daily for 3 years, but I never once saw them. They were hidden away in a back room, tended, I used to imagine, by operators in white lab coats, probably with very neat hair and heavy black-rimmed spectacles. So the first time that I used an emulated VAX over a serial line from a real DEC terminal, I was struck by how the experience was 100% faithful to the original. P.S. Please bottom-post, will you? -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: Removing PVA from a CRT
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Michael Thompson wrote: the glass. We trimmed the Lexan to size, reassembled the Lexan and glass to the front of the CRT, and glued the steel mounting band in place. It looks great, and is probably a lot safer than just leaving the PVA out. You removed the steel band??? *That* is the implosion protection of a CRT. Christian
