RE: wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please.

2019-01-02 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via > cctalk > Sent: 02 January 2019 19:47 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF > COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please. > > > > On 1/1/19 8:53

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-02 Thread Mueller, Fritz via cctalk
> On Jan 2, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > I'm pretty sure it was there for a long time. It's under memory layout > suboptions. When it says "any memory layout changes" say yes, then when it > asks what, say ODT. Oh, I see, it's not listed as a valid sub option, but it is

Re: Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-02 Thread dwight via cctalk
I believe that is the one. Intel tried to say it wasn't an issue until it was shown that the error was significant when using floating point numbers near integer values. I suspect that the fellow that forgot to include the mask file for that ROM got a bad review. Dwight

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-02 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 2, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Fritz Mueller via cctalk > wrote: > > >> On Jan 1, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> You could load monitor ODT (ODT option in the memory layout settings in >> DEFAULT) and set a breakpoint at LOG$DK, that's the error logging entry

Re: Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-02 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 4:12 PM dwight via cctalk wrote: > I thought I'd note that the divide problem couldn't have been patched > with a micro code patch. If you're talking about the Pentium FDIV bug, present on the early 80501 chips (60 and 66 MHz) and 80502 chips (75, 90, and 100 MHz), they

Re: SPACE WAR for PDP-11 - link issues

2019-01-02 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 1/2/19 2:26 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > Does anyone have a clue on how to get a proper link with FPMP-11 for these > two symbols? the source paper tapes for fpmp are at http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/papertapeimages/20040101/tray07 TRAY07 dec-11-nfpma-a-pr1 8/72; fpmp-11

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-02 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Jan 1, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > You could load monitor ODT (ODT option in the memory layout settings in > DEFAULT) and set a breakpoint at LOG$DK, that's the error logging entry point > of the driver. Then you could display the RK11 CSRs and we can see if

Re: Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-02 Thread dwight via cctalk
I thought I'd note that the divide problem couldn't have been patched with a micro code patch. It was because one of the ROM arrays used as part of the divide lookup was missing its data. It would have been much more than a simple patch to fix. It would have had to go back to a full subroutine

SPACE WAR for PDP-11 - link issues

2019-01-02 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
So after some intensive transcribing work I finally got all files into source files ready for assembling using PAL11-S. Assembling under PAL11-S rooted out a bunch of errors and then when side by side comparing the output listing with the PDF I found a bunch of more errors. The next step

Re: wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please.

2019-01-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I will certainly follow that one, my twitter is @billdeg btw. On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 3:43 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 1/1/19 8:53 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > On the bitsavers website it might be nice to add a > > section where people can see what docs are available for

Re: wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please.

2019-01-02 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 1/1/19 8:53 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > On the bitsavers website it might be nice to add a > section where people can see what docs are available for pick up/rescue > opportunities. > I've added a section on the purpose and methodology of bitsavers on the bottom of the main

Re: Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-02 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 2, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 1/2/19 10:44 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> Also, recall that there are different forms of micro-code: horizontal >> and vertical. I think that IBM (in the S/360, S/370, S/390, z/Series) >> uses the term micro-code for

Re: Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/2/19 10:44 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > Also, recall that there are different forms of micro-code: horizontal > and vertical. I think that IBM (in the S/360, S/370, S/390, z/Series) > uses the term micro-code for horizontal micro-code and millicode > for vertical microcode. On the CDC

Re: Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-02 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
> On Jan 2, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 1/2/19 8:02 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > >> Random logic instruction decode was a REAL issue in about 1960 - 1965, >> when computers were built with discrete transistors. The IBM 7092, for >> instance, had 55,000

Re: Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/2/19 8:02 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > Random logic instruction decode was a REAL issue in about 1960 - 1965, > when computers were built with discrete transistors.  The IBM 7092, for > instance, had 55,000 transistors on 11,000 circuit boards.  I don't know > how much of that was

Microware OS-9 68K books

2019-01-02 Thread Ethan via cctalk
A friend and I went in on an Amiga 4000T haul last weekend, and with it were some nice hard binder and box Microware OS-9 68x00 books. I want to say there are two sets of two, and then some binders with photocopied style paperwork for BASIC. Is there any Microware fans that might want

Re: OCR old software listing

2019-01-02 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2019-01-02 7:22 AM, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: > I timed myself how long it would take to clean up Mattis' supplied image so > it might > be able to be OCR'd more accurately. Using Paint.NET it took me 23 minutes to > get to > the following: >

Pascal Microengine disks images available.

2019-01-02 Thread jos via cctalk
Finally got around to imaging the +/- 80 floppies that came with my ACI-90 Pascal Microengine system. Disks of general interest can be downloaded on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/WD9000/MicroEngine.zip These are mostly variants of the OS and a set of system selftests. Image

Re: Motorola M88K books & user manuals (looking for)

2019-01-02 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 1, 2019, at 10:17 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk > wrote: > > RISC was never just about compiler and hardware simplification for improved > performance of the most frequently-executed instructions. It's also been > front-and-center in low-power (e.g., mobile) and embedded (now including

Re: OCR old software listing

2019-01-02 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
I timed myself how long it would take to clean up Mattis' supplied image so it might be able to be OCR'd more accurately. Using Paint.NET it took me 23 minutes to get to the following: http://web.aanet.com.au/~malikoff/pdp11/dvY973s_cleaned.png There are still a few little bits I missed, but

Re: OCR old software listing

2019-01-02 Thread Larry Kraemer via cctalk
The only way I've been able to get any type of readable ASCII TEXT from the .tif's is to do the following for each tif: convert -density 1200 -resize 40% xaaa.tif -density 1 xaaa120040.tif Then, OCR it with Irfanview with the KADMOS Plugin Installed. For the first Page I get the following ASCII:

Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-02 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
>-Original Message- >From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Carlo Pisani >via cctalk >Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2019 5:35 PM >To: ben; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >Subject: Re: Motorola M88K books & user manuals (looking for) > >> I was