Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
someones bid on them eh hopefully not a scraper On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 8:03 PM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > On 04/06/2019 01:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals > > It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era > > disk and tape channel controllers are there too > > > > On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: > > > >> > https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw > > > Oh, yeah, I did NOT recognize those dual tape drives with > horizontal vacuum columns. > Obviously real IBM, but I've never seen them before. > > Jon >
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
On 04/06/2019 01:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era disk and tape channel controllers are there too On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw Oh, yeah, I did NOT recognize those dual tape drives with horizontal vacuum columns. Obviously real IBM, but I've never seen them before. Jon
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
On 04/06/2019 01:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era disk and tape channel controllers are there too Nope, not on a model 20. The 360/20 did not have channels, it had specific I/O controllers built into the CPU backplane for disk, tape, cards and printers, and an optional one-line serial interface. So, all peripherals plugged into their specific controller in the /20, there were no external control units like a 2821, 2803, 2314, etc. The 360/20 was a VERY limited machine, max of 32KB of memory, but most had a LOT less. There was RPG for it, but most were used for off-line spooling of cards and printing, or RJE systems. If there is a 370 there, possibly there could be control units for that machine in the collection. Jon
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
On 4/6/19 2:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > Does Germany harbor no gold bugs? I have no idea what the recycling rules or industry is in Germany. I'm guessing it's insanely strict. The precious metal content of that little system isn't going to be much. Maybe enough copper to make it worthwhile. Also checked and the disc control is integral. The tapes are channel attached.
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
On 4/6/19 2:05 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > >> Do you have any idea of the cost to package and ship a 360 >> from there? > > Less than the current value of a dead billionaire. Does Germany harbor no gold bugs?
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
> Do you have any idea of the cost to package and ship a 360 > from there? Less than the current value of a dead billionaire.
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
On 4/6/19 11:09 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals > It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era > disk and tape channel controllers are there too > > On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: > >> https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw Interesting--it really does belong in a museum--it's not something a hobbyist would be able to usey; even if it was practical (or possible) to get it running again. The 2020 was "sort of" a System/360, with halfword registers and a simplified instruction set. (To do any real arithmetic, you pretty much had to use the packed BCD instructions). I recognize the 2560 Mother F* Card Mulcher, which brings up some interesting memories. --Chuck
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
It all looks quite complete. Note sure about the 3xxx/5xxx stuff, maybe it's lurking there somewhere. The listing does say there are 6 units 1m x 1m, it's a bit confusing. The Model 20 didn't need a DASD controller and could connect two 2311s directly. Not sure if the resulting disks were compatible with 2841-based 2311s though. It doesn't say whether it's possible to view the stuff, but I could make a trip. Maybe our office would like something to go with the z/Series beer fridge. On 06/04/2019 19:09, Al Kossow via cctech wrote: Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era disk and tape channel controllers are there too On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw -- Lawrence Wilkinson lawre...@ljw.me.uk The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
On 4/6/19 2:58 PM, Curious Marc via cctalk wrote: > Any appetite at the CHM? > Marc > >> On Apr 6, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals >> It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era >> disk and tape channel controllers are there too >> >>> On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw >> Maybe I'm seeing a different one, but isn't t his system in Nuremburg, Germany? Do you have any idea of the cost to package and ship a 360 from there? bill
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
The description states the machines are in a house, and in possibly bad condition. Also, no shipping to the US. -- Will On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 3:02 PM Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 6 Apr 2019, at 18:58, Adrian Stoness via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > is it me or is it sitting on a riased floor > > I thought that while at the same time marvelling what great condition it all > seems to be in, like they just turned everything off, locked the door and > left for 40 years. > > -- > adrian/witchy > Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection? > t: @binarydinosaursf: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs > w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk > > > >
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
> On 6 Apr 2019, at 18:58, Adrian Stoness via cctalk > wrote: > > is it me or is it sitting on a riased floor I thought that while at the same time marvelling what great condition it all seems to be in, like they just turned everything off, locked the door and left for 40 years. -- adrian/witchy Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaursf: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
Any appetite at the CHM? Marc > On Apr 6, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals > It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era > disk and tape channel controllers are there too > >> On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: >> >> https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw >
Re: More stuff looking for a good home
On 4/6/2019 8:53 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Been a really long time since I had a UNIBUS system!! Amazing what turns up when your spring cleaning. Spring collecting. bill You lucky I don't drive, I'd rent a Garbage Truck and do DUMPSTER collecting. This week, 3 8's two 11's half a 360 and dead skunk. :)
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
Hopefully LCM can go after this to flesh out their peripherals It looks like a nice set of disks and tapes, hopefully the 360-era disk and tape channel controllers are there too On 4/6/19 7:04 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: > https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
is it me or is it sitting on a riased floor On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 12:45 PM Mark Linimon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 06, 2019 at 10:13:51AM -0400, William Donzelli via cctalk > wrote: > > And looking again, some of a System/370 pile (model 125)? > > I hope all of this equipment can be saved, even if only for display value. > > mcl >
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
On Sat, Apr 06, 2019 at 10:13:51AM -0400, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > And looking again, some of a System/370 pile (model 125)? I hope all of this equipment can be saved, even if only for display value. mcl
Re: Storage for 1/2" open reel tape
This is what the end of a short 6" Univac leader looks like: https://i.imgur.com/wPH93Cz.jpg Apologies for the poor quality, but even with the naked eye, it's hard to see that the leader end is "looped" I might be able to enhance this a bit with some image finagling, if anyone's interested. The other end is cut in 45 degree traditional splice. --Chuck
Re: VCF PNW 2019: Photos and Survey. Please?
a pity there are not name captions for those of us that do not travel well to be these in person. Great photo collection though! Ed# In a message dated 3/31/2019 8:46:29 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: One last spam from VCF PNW 2019 ... Send us your Photos! We want to put together a shared photo album so thatpeople can see the event from different perspectives. It's a Google Photosalbum, so if you are a Google Photos user sharing is easy. If you are nota Google Photos user or you have concerns/questions please let me know andI'll work out an alternative. The shared album can be found at:https://photos.app.goo.gl/e2rzk4iT4aHrQUoy6 Help us make VCF events better! If you were at the event last weekend Ihave a quick survey that I'd like you to fill out. The survey will help usshape future events. The survey is anonymous; we are not collecting emailaddresses unless you want to get a chance at a free t-shirt. (And eventhen, we are only using the email address for that single purpose.) The survey link is: https://goo.gl/forms/V3DiyxwkpbIOCKn73 Direct feedback by email also works well. Thanks,mikemich...@vcfed.org or mbbrut...@brutman.com
Re: More stuff looking for a good home
Didn't really "find" these but being as I haven't yet used them and they have been sitting in my cabinet for over 10 years, maybe it's time to just let them go. :-) I have ten RZ28C-VW and one RZ28M-VZ. These are in the carriers for BA-360 Storage Shelves. They are still sealed in the original static proof wrappers. I don't know if that means they are new or DEC Refurbished but I always thought they were new. Seven will fit in a Priority Mail Large box so postage wouldn't be too bad. Anybody interested? bill
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
wow hope it finds a home be real shame to see that get scraped On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 9:14 AM William Donzelli via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > And looking again, some of a System/370 pile (model 125)? > > Bigger bucks. > > -- > Will > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM William Donzelli > wrote: > > > > Its a System/360 model 20 - and looking to be nice shape. Big bucks, > > even if just a 20. > > > > -- > > Will > > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:04 AM jos via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The seller clearly has no idea, but the starting price is right ! > > > > > > > https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw > > > > > > > > > > > > Jos > > > >
Re: More stuff looking for a good home
On 4/5/19 1:04 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > Here's a list of some more stuff if anyone is interested in making > reasonable offers. Probably the last I will have before my demise > when my wife will likely send everything that's left to the skip. > > > MODULE DescriptionQTY > NUMBER > > M9202 UNIBUS connector3 > M9302 UNIBUS TERM 2 > ADAC 1632TTL 3 > ADAC 1616/32HCO1 > Plessey Peripherals 703185-100C & 701877-100 with Cable 1 > Data Translation DT2769/EP057 REV F1 > Data Translation DT2769/EP057 REV J1 > Data Translation DT15150/EP075 Dual D/A Converter Module > M3106 4 Line Async Mux 1 > M3106 4 Line Async Mux (w/broken handle) 1 > M9060 LOAD MODULE 1 > M8017-AA Async Line Interface 1 > M8017 Async Line Interface(w/broken handle and berg socket)1 > G7273 NPG AND BUS GRANT CONTINUITY5 > > RL Disk Drive Terminators 4 > > MV-II Function Select / SLU Module 1 > > A few modules that I ecpect are rare but of limited interest. > > Terak 8510 Memory and Video module w/bulkhead connector1 > Terak 8510 Floppy Modulew/bulkhead connector 2 > Terak 8510 Floppy Modulewo/bulkhead connector 2 > Terak 8510 RS-232 Serial Module w/bulkhead connector 4 > Terak 8510 RS-232 bulkhead connectors 3 > Terak 8510 Video bulkhead connectors 2 > > Condition of the Terak Modules can not be verified. > They were functional at the time they were removed > but I no longer have any functional Teraks to test > them. > > Shipping would be the smallest size USPS "If it fits it ships" box > so you can plan accordingly. > Just came across another stack. :-) G727A Grant Continuity -- FLIP CHIP 26 Been a really long time since I had a UNIBUS system!! Amazing what turns up when your spring cleaning. bill
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
And looking again, some of a System/370 pile (model 125)? Bigger bucks. -- Will On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM William Donzelli wrote: > > Its a System/360 model 20 - and looking to be nice shape. Big bucks, > even if just a 20. > > -- > Will > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:04 AM jos via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > The seller clearly has no idea, but the starting price is right ! > > > > https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw > > > > > > > > Jos > >
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
Its a System/360 model 20 - and looking to be nice shape. Big bucks, even if just a 20. -- Will On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:04 AM jos via cctalk wrote: > > > The seller clearly has no idea, but the starting price is right ! > > https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw > > > > Jos >
Pleas ID this IBM system....
The seller clearly has no idea, but the starting price is right ! https://www.ebay.de/itm/seltene-Anlage-Puma-Computer-IBM-2020/202646831828?hash=item2f2eb142d4:g:izoAAOSwhV1cpw Jos
RE: Storage for 1/2" open reel tape
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis via > cctalk > Sent: 06 April 2019 01:46 > To: Paul Koning via cctalk > Subject: Re: Storage for 1/2" open reel tape > > On 4/5/19 5:31 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > If this works, which is most of the time, it's a great time saver. As an > operator you just hang the reel on the spindle, hit "load" and walk away to > the next task. > > > > I think IBM may have originated this magic; several of the later DEC tape > drives supported it as well (TU77 and TU/TA78, if memory serves). > Honeywell had it on their systems as well. It was great when it worked but sometimes a tape wouldn't load > Univac had an interesting setup for Uniservo tape drives--I see a lot of reels > with a short (maybe 6") "leader" with a hole spliced onto tapes. > I'm not sure how that worked--but on many, if not most of the reels I've > seen, the splicing tape has dried out and the little leader just falls right > off. IBM and Honeywell tapes usually had a little dimple in the end so it didn't stick down. There was a special tape cutter you could get that rounded off the end and put the dimple in, > > --Chuck Dave
