RE: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks via > cctalk > Sent: 18 July 2019 04:24 > To: Jason T ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off- > Topic Posts > Subject: Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:54 PM Jason T via cctalk > wrote: > > I have a .tap image of WP 4.2 and 5.0 for VMS that I made from my own > > tape years ago. The image has been successfully mounted but IIRC the > > software looks for a license key that I've never found. I do not > > believe it is a PAK as with other VMS packages. > > I worked for a guy in 1988 that was a WP for VMS reseller. I remember one > particular sale of 10-12 seat licenses for which the commission made his > entire year. Unfortunately I have no information on how the licensing > worked. There was, IIRC, a bit of paper in the box with the key information > on it but I have no idea how it worked. > > -ethan I think even if you have the key it fails today. There was a thread recently on comp.os.vms Saying it expires after days and theirs had just expired... http://www.novabbs.com/index.php?t=msg=292017=0; Dave
Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS
> On Jul 17, 2019, at 7:54 PM, Jason T via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 21:50 Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This crossed my radar earlier today. I figured that someone on the >> CCTalk mailing list might be interested in it. >> >> Link - Vintage 1995 Novell WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS TK50 Tape Digital >> DEC VAX >> - https://www.ebay.com/itm/133114102939 > > > I have a .tap image of WP 4.2 and 5.0 for VMS that I made from my own tape > years ago. The image has been successfully mounted but IIRC the software > looks for a license key that I've never found. I do not believe it is a PAK > as with other VMS packages. I can provide the image on request but I don't > want a post it publicly. > > J Without a proper license key, I think the software is useless. It uses a -- alpha-numeric Checksum. I think it’s tied in some way to the distribution ID. They use their own licensing mechanism. I just checked, I have a copy of the v5.0 “WordPerfect Workbook for VAX/VMS Systems”, I’m pretty sure I had more than just that book, but I’m not sure if I still do. The other book(s) would likely give info on installation and licensing. On a related note, was there ever a copy of dBase III or dBase IV for VAX/VMS? I know there was a version of Lotus 1-2-3. Zane
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
My net service dropped out yesterday, hence delayed reply. I did NOT expect that thread to take off. At 10:14 PM 16/07/2019 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: >> Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse! > >old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass Ah yes, now I see there was exactly one previous mention a month ago on 2019-06-12 https://marc.info/?l=classiccmp=156035869326953=2 or http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2019-June/048024.html Were there other discussions perhaps, that didn't mention the shop name? Anyway maybe some may like to see the jackass's video of the huge collection, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvM82T3C2Ik or perhaps go buy stuff to help out the invalid owners? Btw Al did you have any sources for this? >And YOU didn't live through Crisis Computer's downsizing seeing literally a >large >warehouse of HP hardware getting scrapped. >The fact that anyone 15+ years after that happened is still in business is a >wonder in itself. So that was 15 years ago? Are there any photos online? Just curious. Btw, I have at least three times seen large warehouses full of tech treasure destroyed. It's the standard routine in Australia. Literally. Because for a long time the government charged import duty on everything brought into the country. And there was a regulation that in many cases that duty could be recovered by the importer, if they had the equipment landfilled in the presence of a tax inspector. Ha ha, I spent one Christmas eve stripping the laser optics and electronics out of about 20 laser disk players, that a video arcade company I did contract software for, had imported. Then they discovered the players were unsuitable. So, to the tip with them, to be buried, to recover the tax. Except my employers were informal enough to think that was a waste, and ask me if I wanted to 'modify' the players first. I had one evening to do it. Fortunately also a stack of bricks, to make the units convincingly heavy after gutting them. That tax insanity is now gone. Leaving the depreciation, insurance and tradein insanities in operation. Depreciation: Company book keepers depreciate the value of capital investments, over the operating life of the equipment. They get a yearly tax break for this 'expense.' Once the equipment reaches end of depreciation period, theoretically it is worth zero. At that point the company will have it destroyed. Because to sell it would imply it still has value, and that would cast the bookkeeping proceedures (and the tax benefits) into doubt (according to the accountants.) And they don't want to just give it away, because there are safety and liability issues with that. Insurance: Typically when equipment is damaged and an insurance claim made, the equipment gets destroyed. Because the insurance companies are afraid they might get scammed. So they insist on proof of destruction. Tradein: Because Australia is a small tech-market and virtually everything is imported, companies like HP, Tektronix DEC, etc (their local distributors) hated to see their products get loose into the second hand market. So they offered very significant tradein deals on old stuff. Which they would then generally destroy. Unless their staff made off with it first. For a while I worked around the corner from the HP Sydney office. Dropped in and asked if they had any 2nd hand gear for sale. The engineer who spoke with me in the front office made a show of explaining that all tradeins were destroyed. He was making sure his superiors heard him toeing the company line. Later he offered me a few items via his car boot. All really old, valve stuff, though I did buy a couple. http://everist.org/NobLog/20140324_HP_relics.htm This is why Australia is a desert in regards second hand computing and test equipment. Guy
Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:54 PM Jason T via cctalk wrote: > I have a .tap image of WP 4.2 and 5.0 for VMS that I made from my own tape > years ago. The image has been successfully mounted but IIRC the software > looks for a license key that I've never found. I do not believe it is a PAK > as with other VMS packages. I worked for a guy in 1988 that was a WP for VMS reseller. I remember one particular sale of 10-12 seat licenses for which the commission made his entire year. Unfortunately I have no information on how the licensing worked. There was, IIRC, a bit of paper in the box with the key information on it but I have no idea how it worked. -ethan
VCFMW drop offs and visits
If anyone going to VCFMW needs any (mosyly) DEC items dropped off there please let me know so I can plan ahead. Trades are sometimes workable for other DEC equipment, even more so for US and foreign coins and currency. I plan on arriving Friday afternoon and returning Saturday night. If anyone wants to stop by and look around, please let me know of tentative plans so I can plan accordingly and not have too many people tripping over each other. Please contact me off list. Thanks, Paul
Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 21:50 Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > Hi, > > This crossed my radar earlier today. I figured that someone on the > CCTalk mailing list might be interested in it. > > Link - Vintage 1995 Novell WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS TK50 Tape Digital > DEC VAX > - https://www.ebay.com/itm/133114102939 I have a .tap image of WP 4.2 and 5.0 for VMS that I made from my own tape years ago. The image has been successfully mounted but IIRC the software looks for a license key that I've never found. I do not believe it is a PAK as with other VMS packages. I can provide the image on request but I don't want a post it publicly. J
VCFMW
If anyone from the UK is coming over to VCFMW and would be willing to bring me some nice crisp uncirculated currency I will be happy to trade you for US currency or DEC computer items. I can make up a list over the next few days. I don't know when the new 50 is coming out, and I'm also interested in the Steven Hawkins coin, coins from the isles, pre-decimal and other foreign coins. Please feel free to contact me off list. Thanks, Paul
WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS
Hi, This crossed my radar earlier today. I figured that someone on the CCTalk mailing list might be interested in it. Link - Vintage 1995 Novell WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS TK50 Tape Digital DEC VAX - https://www.ebay.com/itm/133114102939 Buy It Now for $49.95 ($14.95 S) or Make an Offer. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Simulators for NCR Century series computers
On 7/16/19 5:27 PM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote: > Is anyone aware of a simulator for the NCR Century series computers? I'm not even aware of any surviving Century software, much less an emulator for the machine.
AGC software bloat 'what if' musing
It's well documented that in 1967 or so the AGC code was bloated (amongst other problems) and looked like it was not going to be ready in time for the landings, so much so that NASA sent in Bill Tindall to MIT to kick heads. Could they perhaps have given the under-pressure programmers some breathing space - a contingency - by carrying another set of ropes with the excess (return mission) code on them, whilst still working on the all-in-one set? That is, fly to the moon with everything required up to P65 etc then once on the surface, exchange the rope modules for the return software and throw the first rope set out onto the surface to save weight. Power cycling the AGC in flight was possible and even done later on Apollo 13 and surely they would have done this in simulations. And they could presumably have left the IMU running and aligned, as sufficient power was available? Steve
Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01
> On Jul 17, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk > wrote: > > I expect that 70ns doesn't meed the DEC purchase specification for > 23-000A9-01, but unless we turn up a copy of the actual purchase > specification, we won't really know. It seems likely that the purchase > specification would have required 55ns, as that was a very common "slow" > speed grade for bipolar PROMs. Also, while bootstrap PROMs may not necessarily need anything faster than 70ns (I seem to recall seeing a comment in the M9301 docs about 70ns being the minimum speed, but I may have made that up), faster PROMs may have been needed in other places where they were used as logic gates. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01
At 70ns, I can make the design pretty simple by using an EEPROM. I did some trial synthesis targeting a Lattice MachXO2 part, and I think I could get the speed down into the 20ns range that way, at the cost of a more complex board design and needing to use Lattice's synthesis tool to prepare programming data. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:31 PM Bob Smith wrote: > https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/541962/AMD/AM27S13/1 > Listed as a 50NS part > 27S32 is listed at 70NS part. > 70ns is the mil temp range rating for the 27S32; the commercial spec is 55 ns. 70ns parts would probably work fine in an M9312, as would any bipolar PROM with the same memory organization and pinout. I expect that 70ns doesn't meed the DEC purchase specification for 23-000A9-01, but unless we turn up a copy of the actual purchase specification, we won't really know. It seems likely that the purchase specification would have required 55ns, as that was a very common "slow" speed grade for bipolar PROMs. Almost all bipolar PROM vendors offered at least one faster speed grade, but they cost more so DEC would only have specified that for designs that needed it, and it would have had a different purchase specification, rather than the common 23-000A9-01.
Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01
https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/541962/AMD/AM27S13/1 Listed as a 50NS part 27S32 is listed at 70NS part. On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 2:59 PM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:43 AM Mark J. Blair via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Paul Birkel wrote: > > > From some notes (origin misplaced!) you'll need a typical access time of > > > 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS: > > > > Thank you! That rules out using a 70ns EEPROM, then. > > > > While the bipolar PROMs were faster, I think 70ns will work on an M9312, > though I haven't verified it. The timing for reading the nibbles from the > PROM to assemble into a 16-bit word is controlled by a delay line and > associated logic, and it looks like the required access time is on the > order of 100ns, with a cycle time on the order of 150ns.
"Vintage" Printers WAS RE: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
> Please do! We have a thing called "The Free Pile" that is actually a > magical (one-way) portal to other peoples' garages, basements and > mom's basements. It can make pretty much anything except printers > disappear. The last few years, we've barely had to clean anything up Depends on the printer. I am constantly "rescuing" (i.e. picking up for free) printers off the side of the road to fix up for my own personal use. If someone has a clean working or just very clean Compaq Pagemarq 20 I am happy to take it off your hand... -Ali
RE: TI99/4A computers, in original boxes
Let's try that again with a shorter URL! https://bit.ly/2JDLGeM Cindy -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Electronics Plus via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 4:39 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: TI99/4A computers, in original boxes https://www.elecshopper.com/texas-instruments-ti-994a-computer-in-box-black- and-silver.html Only 4 of these on hand. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sa...@elecplus.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
TI99/4A computers, in original boxes
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Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 3:30 PM Ethan Dicks wrote: > Not strictly true - I have taken two CBM printers off the free pile in > the past 6 years. Also guilty. It had an IEEE PET interface, what was I supposed to do??
RE: IBM documentation is San Antonio
From: Patrick Finnegan [mailto:p...@vax11.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 3:21 PM To: Electronics Plus; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: IBM documentation is San Antonio On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 2:54 PM Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h5OANKKIFOU6lEn2P-JJKE-hf3pgur0q?usp=sharing Not the best pics, but here is some of what is available in the warehouse. No, the 3278 keyboard is NOT available! I have brought almost all the mechanical keyboards home. If you see something you want, please let me know. On the documentation, it is not pick and choose. It is pretty much take all. Yes, those are 3174 controllers, a pallet of them. He can configure them to whatever you want. IBM terminals, tested with M122 keyboard, $85 plus shipping. I see a pallet of IBM "controllers" of some sort, but they don't look like any model of 3174 or 3274 that I've seen. Anyone have a clue what they are exactly? Pat Most are 3174-1R. There is a 3174-1L, but it is not complete. Those might also be 4702-003 IBM banking controllers for the 4700 series terminals (and 4704 keyboards). Cindy --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 3:06 PM Jason T via cctalk wrote: > Please do! We have a thing called "The Free Pile" that is actually a > magical (one-way) portal to other peoples' garages, basements and > mom's basements. It can make pretty much anything except printers > disappear. Not strictly true - I have taken two CBM printers off the free pile in the past 6 years. > The last few years, we've barely had to clean anything up > after the show. That is definitely true. Stuff on the Free Pile definitely gets rehomed. > Or don't do any of that stuff, and just come anyway. Table > registration is open soon (I have the sign-up form on my desktop as I > write this). Yay! -ethan
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On Jul 17, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote: > This. People on the internet are insane. I have gotten literal death threats > for refusing to sell keyboards. People threatening to find my home address > and do things about my “hoarding”. I should never have said a goddamn word on > the internet. I regret ever releasing anything open source. For every one > person who wants to contribute there are a dozen who just want to complain - > or worse. I want to do my part in turning the tide and say that I have a serious degree of appreciation for all the stuff that you’ve personally done for Lisp Machine preservation. Meroko and LambdaDelta are OUTSTANDING work and are a major contribution to the field. (Also, the way Meroko simulates every individual bus cycle is really something!) > I’m so very tired of being screamed at. I almost want to just dump it all and > walk away. This is not what I signed up for. I hope the people who scream at you are the ones who walk away instead. They don’t deserve you or your awesome work. -- Chris
Re: IBM documentation is San Antonio
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 2:54 PM Electronics Plus via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h5OANKKIFOU6lEn2P-JJKE-hf3pgur0q?usp=sharing > Not the best pics, but here is some of what is available in the warehouse. > No, the 3278 keyboard is NOT available! > I have brought almost all the mechanical keyboards home. If you see > something you want, please let me know. > > On the documentation, it is not pick and choose. It is pretty much take > all. > > Yes, those are 3174 controllers, a pallet of them. He can configure them > to whatever you want. > IBM terminals, tested with M122 keyboard, $85 plus shipping. > > I see a pallet of IBM "controllers" of some sort, but they don't look like any model of 3174 or 3274 that I've seen. Anyone have a clue what they are exactly? Pat
Re: IBM documentation is San Antonio
> Where is all this stuff located? Duh, just realized San Antonio. I really want those wire documentation cards. I need more of them. -- Will
Re: IBM documentation is San Antonio
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h5OANKKIFOU6lEn2P-JJKE-hf3pgur0q?usp=sharing > Not the best pics, but here is some of what is available in the warehouse. > No, the 3278 keyboard is NOT available! > I have brought almost all the mechanical keyboards home. If you see something > you want, please let me know. > > On the documentation, it is not pick and choose. It is pretty much take all. Is it possible to get a few pictures of the covers of the docs? IBM manuals tend to have very distinctive covers (thanks, Mr. Rand!), so one can get a pretty good idea of what they are. > Yes, those are 3174 controllers, a pallet of them. He can configure them to > whatever you want. > IBM terminals, tested with M122 keyboard, $85 plus shipping. Where is all this stuff located? -- Will
Decision Data Keyboard for sale
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RE: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
Computer Reset is located on Skillman Dr on the east side of Dallas. I do not think they are still willing to let people scrounge. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 2:20 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA) On 7/17/19 12:54 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > hint: look at the SUBJECT of the message you are pointlessly replying to The subject only mentions the U.S.A. If we assume the continental U.S.A., that's ~2.9 *Billion* square miles. (According to Google.) Brief searching narrows it down to somewhere in Texas. So that's down to 268 thousand square miles. (According to Google.) There may have been other location information, like drive time / distance from another known city, buried in this thread. So, I think asking for some clarification where Computer Reset is located at is a reasonable, and not pointless, thing to do. -- Grant. . . . unix || die --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On 7/17/19 12:54 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: hint: look at the SUBJECT of the message you are pointlessly replying to The subject only mentions the U.S.A. If we assume the continental U.S.A., that's ~2.9 *Billion* square miles. (According to Google.) Brief searching narrows it down to somewhere in Texas. So that's down to 268 thousand square miles. (According to Google.) There may have been other location information, like drive time / distance from another known city, buried in this thread. So, I think asking for some clarification where Computer Reset is located at is a reasonable, and not pointless, thing to do. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
Sorry but I haven’t a clue w cr liquidation is. Check out that LGR guys video, he makes fun videos -- : Ethan O'Toole
Re: IBM documentation is San Antonio
On 7/17/19 12:54 PM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h5OANKKIFOU6lEn2P-JJKE-hf3pgur0q?usp=sharing Not the best pics, but here is some of what is available in the warehouse. Thank you. They suffice. :-) I have brought almost all the mechanical keyboards home. If you see something you want, please let me know. Is that Focus 2001? Is it available? Is it an AT or a PS/2 cable? Does it have the Windows keys? Yes, those are 3174 controllers, a pallet of them. He can configure them to whatever you want. IBM terminals, tested with M122 keyboard, $85 plus shipping. Hum -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:13 AM John Foust via cctalk wrote: > I've considered taking a truckful to VCF Midwest, but apparently > I'd need to make a big scary sign that says "If you don't take it now, > it's going to recycling" because I can't imagine that I'd be able > to give away half the load. Please do! We have a thing called "The Free Pile" that is actually a magical (one-way) portal to other peoples' garages, basements and mom's basements. It can make pretty much anything except printers disappear. The last few years, we've barely had to clean anything up after the show. But yeah, you should always be prepared to take back anything that isn't gone by Sunday afternoon. But if you really have a truckload, it's another long-standing VCFMW tradition to invite folks out to the parking lot (which will be conveniently located near the loading doors this year) for sales and freebies right out of the vehicle. Bring in a few teaser items and a big sign that says "more in the truck". Or don't do any of that stuff, and just come anyway. Table registration is open soon (I have the sign-up form on my desktop as I write this). -j
Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:43 AM Mark J. Blair via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Paul Birkel wrote: > > From some notes (origin misplaced!) you'll need a typical access time of > > 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS: > > Thank you! That rules out using a 70ns EEPROM, then. > While the bipolar PROMs were faster, I think 70ns will work on an M9312, though I haven't verified it. The timing for reading the nibbles from the PROM to assemble into a 16-bit word is controlled by a delay line and associated logic, and it looks like the required access time is on the order of 100ns, with a cycle time on the order of 150ns.
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On 7/17/2019 11:34 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: I am doing a documentation purge (most DEC) at VCFmw this year, just as I did a few years ago. And yes, what does not get sold or given away gets pulped at the end of the show. My van will then be empty so I can take your stuff. -- Will Just curious, but anything worth scanning (DEC)? Not that I'll make it to VCFmw this year. I'm in/near Fort Worth, TX so it's a long haul for me. But they all are from here. -- John H. Reinhardt
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On 7/17/19 12:33 PM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: There's nothing "superbly classic" around here, though. IMHO it doesn't need to be "superbly classic". Maybe it's not "ventage" per-say. (I don't know if there is a definition for "ventage" in computers. Last I knew, for automobiles, they had to be 25 years or older to be called "ventage".) Bunch of working sun4u gear and old databooks. I'm betting that there are people that would like to have it. Look at things like IBM PCs / XTs / ATs. They were common "just old" things 5 ~ 15 years ago. Now many of those common things are gone and now people are wanting them. So, even "common" things that are (were) "just old" can have a surprising fan base. I'm on the look out for a reasonably priced (purchase and S independently) multi-processor Pentium Pro machine (for reasons). I hardly doubt that qualifies as "classic", much less "superbly" so. I see ebay listings of people selling of the bare CPUs for scrap in daily saved searches. Or I see old spare motherboards sans VRMs, or otherwise incomplete systems. I think there is a market for "just old" / "classic" / "superbly classic" equipment. I'll go back in my house now that I've yelled at kids on my lawn. ;-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die
RE: IBM documentation is San Antonio
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h5OANKKIFOU6lEn2P-JJKE-hf3pgur0q?usp=sharing Not the best pics, but here is some of what is available in the warehouse. No, the 3278 keyboard is NOT available! I have brought almost all the mechanical keyboards home. If you see something you want, please let me know. On the documentation, it is not pick and choose. It is pretty much take all. Yes, those are 3174 controllers, a pallet of them. He can configure them to whatever you want. IBM terminals, tested with M122 keyboard, $85 plus shipping. -Original Message- From: William Donzelli [mailto:wdonze...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:41 PM To: Electronics Plus; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: IBM documentation is San Antonio He needs to take some pictures of what he has - just the covers and such. Lots of random pictures to give a good taste of what there is. So much IBM info is incredibly common. They ran one of the biggest publishing businesses in the world for a while, and it was just their own stuff! -- Will On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:34 PM Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: > > A friend of mine is an old IBM dealer. His mother started the business, and > they have documentation going back to the beamspring days. He has agreed > that he will pack all the stuff into boxes and pack the boxes on a pallet. > These are not free; he wants an offer, since he has to pay a guy to pack, > cost of boxes, etc. There are several hundred pounds of stuff. Think of a 5 > foot wide 6 foot tall cabinet stuffed to the gills, and then multiply that > by at least 4. If interested, let me know. > > > > Cindy Croxton > > Electronics Plus > > 1613 Water Street > > Kerrville, TX 78028 > > 830-370-3239 cell > > sa...@elecplus.com > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On 7/17/19 11:44 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: > I haven’t a clue w CR liquidation is. ^^ hint: look at the SUBJECT of the message you are pointlessly replying to
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
Sorry but I haven’t a clue w cr liquidation is. Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:00 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: >> Why is LGR a jackass? > > Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too > much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice > controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a > surprise if security issues come up. > > Basically, he should have released the video after CR had been pretty > cleared out and closed. He should have realized the consequences of > his video. > > This is why when I get into a place like this, I am very picky about > who I let it, and in no way allow videos to be made and published on > Youtube, even on my own channel. > > -- > Will
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:12:22AM -0500, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > So, to deal with my own hoarding / collecting, I'll strive to make > a list of stuff I haven't touched in 10, 20, 30 years, and I'll > post here to see if anyone is interested. Same here -- but life keeps getting in the way of me completing the list :-( There's nothing "superbly classic" around here, though. Bunch of working sun4u gear and old databooks. And I *do* have the space -- in my shop outside. But the stuff that's *inside* is just in the way; and if I move it at all, it's to move it off the property. (psst: the Raptor Blackbird is _not_ included in the above list ...) mcl
Re: IBM documentation is San Antonio
He needs to take some pictures of what he has - just the covers and such. Lots of random pictures to give a good taste of what there is. So much IBM info is incredibly common. They ran one of the biggest publishing businesses in the world for a while, and it was just their own stuff! -- Will On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:34 PM Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: > > A friend of mine is an old IBM dealer. His mother started the business, and > they have documentation going back to the beamspring days. He has agreed > that he will pack all the stuff into boxes and pack the boxes on a pallet. > These are not free; he wants an offer, since he has to pay a guy to pack, > cost of boxes, etc. There are several hundred pounds of stuff. Think of a 5 > foot wide 6 foot tall cabinet stuffed to the gills, and then multiply that > by at least 4. If interested, let me know. > > > > Cindy Croxton > > Electronics Plus > > 1613 Water Street > > Kerrville, TX 78028 > > 830-370-3239 cell > > sa...@elecplus.com > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
IBM documentation is San Antonio
A friend of mine is an old IBM dealer. His mother started the business, and they have documentation going back to the beamspring days. He has agreed that he will pack all the stuff into boxes and pack the boxes on a pallet. These are not free; he wants an offer, since he has to pay a guy to pack, cost of boxes, etc. There are several hundred pounds of stuff. Think of a 5 foot wide 6 foot tall cabinet stuffed to the gills, and then multiply that by at least 4. If interested, let me know. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sa...@elecplus.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a surprise if security issues come up. Eh, friends of mine were talking about that place like 2 months prior to LGR's video. Plus it was already on Reddit and other places before LGR found out.
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
I'm overwhelmed and it's time to purge. The problem isn't a desire for old computers, the problem is having too much space. You might like motorcycles or tractors or Beanie Babies, but if you have the space and the inclination, you can eventually fill your available space. Boyles Law.
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
> On Jul 17, 2019, at 11:26 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk > wrote: > > Oh, I did not mention how some of those misfits can throw their own > wrenches in the works. Piss one of them off and he calls the Fire > Marshall. Some dick did that when I was cleaning out Compass so many > years ago (if you remember the Compass Teletype cleanout in NJ, you > have been on this list too long!), and delayed things for a couple of > weeks. This. People on the internet are insane. I have gotten literal death threats for refusing to sell keyboards. People threatening to find my home address and do things about my “hoarding”. I should never have said a goddamn word on the internet. I regret ever releasing anything open source. For every one person who wants to contribute there are a dozen who just want to complain - or worse. I’m so very tired of being screamed at. I almost want to just dump it all and walk away. This is not what I signed up for.
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
> I'm overwhelmed and it's time to purge. The problem isn't a desire > for old computers, the problem is having too much space. You might > like motorcycles or tractors or Beanie Babies, but if you have the > space and the inclination, you can eventually fill your available space. Been there, got yelled at, thinning out. > I've considered taking a truckful to VCF Midwest, but apparently > I'd need to make a big scary sign that says "If you don't take it now, > it's going to recycling" because I can't imagine that I'd be able > to give away half the load. I am doing a documentation purge (most DEC) at VCFmw this year, just as I did a few years ago. And yes, what does not get sold or given away gets pulped at the end of the show. My van will then be empty so I can take your stuff. -- Will
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
> I doubt .1% of LGR's followers are going to show up. Perhaps a few will > inquire. I would not worry about that. I would worry about LGR's trolls. He must have a ton of them - every Youtuber does. Hell, even I do and I am a nobody. There are probably more than a few 13 year old (or 40 going on 13 year old) LGR subscribers that got pissed off because CR is a cash and carry operation - no shipping. And if they can't have that NOS kittycat computer case, nobody can. Will this happen? Probably not, but the chances it will skyrocketted. -- Will
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
>So, to deal with my own hoarding / >collecting, I'll strive to make >a list of >stuff I haven't touched in 10, 20, >30 years, and I'll >post here to see if >anyone is interested. >Too much lingering >obligation and future debt, even >if it only >has to go to recycling.This is always a good first step. If people >don't know what you have people can't reach out.Just saying ;)-Ali
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
> Eh, friends of mine were talking about that place like 2 months prior to > LGR's video. Yes, some of us were called on the first day the whole thing developed. > Just remember, it's not the only one. There are likely to be > similar places around flyover America. Yes, I realize this. Much of my business is estate and failed business cleanouts. > As long as the crap goes into nerd hands versus the landfill, so be it? Oh, and don't forget THE OWNER AND FAMILY. It is about them, right? They are the primary beneficiaries of whatever happens to the pile. We should be grateful to them. > "Me only." So people are upset that the magic well was exposed. No, it is about "control". Back, two months ago or so, the group that knew and were visiting CR was fairly small - maybe a few hundred people, most collectors and/or dealers, many knowing each other. Misfits could likely be pointed out, maybe so an eye could be kept on them. But now that it has world exposure, everyone knows about it, including potentially every scrap thief in the DFW area. They now know the backstory if they see the video and do some research beyond Youtube. And they will know when the place will be opened, and when it will be closed. They will know the internal layout of the place. They might know, with the family in such a state, the alarm may or may not work. Pull up a trailer, hire 10 migrant workers, forge some papers saying they are a hired contractor (just in case someone gets nosey), and in a day every bit of electronics is gone. There is plenty there to make them a good buck on scrap. All this can happen in the blink of an eye. What do you think the owner and family would get out of that scenario? Remember the owner and family? Yes, this happens all the time. Fake contractors break into and empty storage lockers all them time - even modern ones with video and such. Even full one family houses get hit. A few houses down from my old place, some fake movers did just that - cleared a whole house while the owner was on vacation. And this was in a nice neighborhood, during a nice day during a normal week. No one said a word to the cops until it was all over. > Just be happy that anyone cares about old useless computers? I am very happy that the guys stepped up to liquidate the place, and I think they are doing a great job. The LGR video is not really helping them, and greatly increased the chances for a disaster. Oh, I did not mention how some of those misfits can throw their own wrenches in the works. Piss one of them off and he calls the Fire Marshall. Some dick did that when I was cleaning out Compass so many years ago (if you remember the Compass Teletype cleanout in NJ, you have been on this list too long!), and delayed things for a couple of weeks. -- Will
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
>It's unfortuante that this wasn't a well >known business/resource before >it>was an overflowing burden for the family >to deal with. Actually it was. >They used to sell on eBay all the time. Guy was an old timer, nice enough once >you got to know him but he wasn't very friendly or easy to deal with initially >specially through eBay (listing with ridiculous S, no response to messages, >etc).The place was on my list of if "I ever have the time and money" but life >caught up to them before I hit the lottery :D.-Ali
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
At 10:29 AM 7/17/2019, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote: >On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ethan O'Toole via cctalk < > There are likely to be similar places around flyover America. You been poking around my warehouse? >I'd agree in prinicpal, but if even 0.1% of LGR's 1M youtube followers try >to show up one day, it'd be a Problem. More people going will create a >bigger headache for the volunteers helping to deal with the situation and >might end up in no one getting anything. YouTube subscriber numbers versus reality; you'd have a hard time getting 0.1% of those subscribers to do anything in the real world. >I've been overwhelmed trying to >deal with my own collection sometimes; I can't imagine having 10-20x the >space filled up would be like. I'm overwhelmed and it's time to purge. The problem isn't a desire for old computers, the problem is having too much space. You might like motorcycles or tractors or Beanie Babies, but if you have the space and the inclination, you can eventually fill your available space. > There's some threshold where >instead of "more people getting retrocomputers", it's "This is too much >stress, so it's all going to a landfill". Yes, assuming you expended the effort to organize and document, then organization makes dispersal slightly more easy... but most of the problem is still there. You want to advertise what you have? Effort. Put a value on it? More effort. Want to give it away? Sell it? All that takes time and effort. Lots of time. Packing, shipping, even just dealing with schedules and communication and meet-ups and those who don't show up. And yes, if you're in "flyover America" you have far fewer enthusiasts to attract for local pickup. Even sending it all to recycling takes a tremendous amount of effort. I put some stuff on eBay the other day, some server stuff less than ten years old plus some other items, like 18 VoIP phones with a starting bid of 99 cents... the only thing seeing a bid so far is a NIB toner cartridge for an HP laser printer. So, to deal with my own hoarding / collecting, I'll strive to make a list of stuff I haven't touched in 10, 20, 30 years, and I'll post here to see if anyone is interested. Too much lingering obligation and future debt, even if it only has to go to recycling. I've considered taking a truckful to VCF Midwest, but apparently I'd need to make a big scary sign that says "If you don't take it now, it's going to recycling" because I can't imagine that I'd be able to give away half the load. - John
Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01
> On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Paul Birkel wrote: > From some notes (origin misplaced!) you'll need a typical access time of > 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS: Thank you! That rules out using a 70ns EEPROM, then. I think I have a line on most of the bootstrap PROMs that I will need, but I'm still interested in the general problem of replacing defective bipolar PROMs and making new ones, when I can't just order blanks from Digi-Key. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ethan O'Toole via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too > > much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice > > controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a > > surprise if security issues come up. > > Eh, friends of mine were talking about that place like 2 months prior to > LGR's video. Just remember, it's not the only one. There are likely to be > similar places around flyover America. > I'd agree in prinicpal, but if even 0.1% of LGR's 1M youtube followers try to show up one day, it'd be a Problem. More people going will create a bigger headache for the volunteers helping to deal with the situation and might end up in no one getting anything. There's some threshold where instead of "more people getting retrocomputers", it's "This is too much stress, so it's all going to a landfill". I've been overwhelmed trying to deal with my own collection sometimes; I can't imagine having 10-20x the space filled up would be like. It's way too easy to keep growing the collection (more space is expensive and stuff takes a lot more time to curate and organize than acquire) until it's physically and mentally exhausting to deal with. One thing I've been reminded of a few times by stuff like this is that I should organize stuff (and keep it organized), have a plan for dispersing my collection when i'm gone, and make sure I have some sort of inventory. It's unfortuante that this wasn't a well known business/resource before it was an overflowing burden for the family to deal with. It may be our "treasures" now, but it's also someone's misfortune that made it that way. :-/ Pat
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
On 7/17/19 7:16 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote: > So people are upset that the magic well was exposed. No, people are upset because of the ill will created by the family members having to deal with cleaning up their father's mess. On VCF, a message pointing to an earlier video was pulled and keyboard poachers have been banned. http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?69913-FYI-Computer-Reset-liquidation-(Dallas-TX)/page17=computer+reset
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a surprise if security issues come up. Eh, friends of mine were talking about that place like 2 months prior to LGR's video. Just remember, it's not the only one. There are likely to be similar places around flyover America. It takes a really dedicated person to travel across the country. As long as the crap goes into nerd hands versus the landfill, so be it? This is why when I get into a place like this, I am very picky about who I let it, and in no way allow videos to be made and published on Youtube, even on my own channel. "Me only." So people are upset that the magic well was exposed. I see the same stuff with the arcade community. They're quick to show off all the machines they get for $50/ea from some place then they're all for sale at $1500/ea two months later. Eh, it will be all $50 again or less soon enough. Just be happy that anyone cares about old useless computers? -- : Ethan O'Toole
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
> Why is LGR a jackass? Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a surprise if security issues come up. Basically, he should have released the video after CR had been pretty cleared out and closed. He should have realized the consequences of his video. This is why when I get into a place like this, I am very picky about who I let it, and in no way allow videos to be made and published on Youtube, even on my own channel. -- Will
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
How’s lgr a jackass Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2019, at 12:14 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > > >> Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse! > > old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass > > >
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse! old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass Why is LGR a jackass? - Ethan -- : Ethan O'Toole
RE: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Blair via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:10 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01 . If 70ns access time parts are sufficient for the M9312's PROMs, then I may design an emulation with a 5V compatible 28 series EEPROM. If they need to be faster, then I may need to do something fancier. Or maybe I'll find the original PROMs that I need and then get distracted and wander off. It may well be easier to design a replacement for the entire M9312 card than trying to emulate the individual 512x4 bipolar PROMs, but since when do I do anything the easy way? I sure wouldn't be playing with 40 year old computers if I was concerned with practicality and ease of use! - >From some notes (origin misplaced!) you'll need a typical access time of 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS: DEC boot PROMs on Unibus cards are small bipolar fusible-link PROMs The A9 types are 82S131 (or MMI6306, 75S171, 27S13, 93448, etc) 16-pin DIL 512-words by 4-bit wide. Pin spacing is 0.1", pin column pitch is 0.3". Access times are typically 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS. |U| A6 | 116 | Vcc A5 | 215 | A7 A4 | 314 | A8 A3 | 413 | /CS A0 | 512 | D0 A1 | 611 | D1 A2 | 710 | D2 Vss | 8 9 | D3 |_| The F1 types are 82S137 (or TI24S41, MMI6353, 74S573, 27S33, 93453, etc) 18-pin DIL 1024 words x 4-bit wide. Pin spacing is 0.1", pin column pitch is 0.3". Access times are typically 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS. |U| A6 | 118 | Vcc A5 | 217 | A7 A4 | 316 | A8 A3 | 415 | A9 A0 | 514 | D0 A1 | 613 | D1 A2 | 712 | D2 /CS1 | 811 | D3 Vss | 910 | /CS2 |_| Note for all types: although the types listed are read-compatible, each brand/type may use a very different programming algorithm. Also note that these have tri-state outputs; other types (eg 27S13A) have open-collector outputs. And a potentially useful utility from Eric Smith: https://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/software/m9312/ I have a vague recollection that someone kludged an 11/84 UBA (M8191) in the manner that you describe but I can't find the reference at the moment. Perhaps the memory of someone else will be jogged ... -
