Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 10/1/2019 7:23 PM, Mark Kahrs via cctalk wrote: The first implementation was done for the 7090 by McCarthy (hence CAR and CDR --- Contents of Address Register and Contents of Decrement Register). If you want to see a tiny implementation then look for the PDP-1 implementation done by L Pete

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread Stan Sieler via cctalk
David...where did you use Lisp on a B6700? Bill Gord and I wrote the first INTERLISP interpreter for the B6700 back around 1974-1975, on a DARPA contract, at UCSD. (At the start, it was to implement BBNLISP, but the name changed during the project :) DARPA found that researchers using INTERLISP

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread Phil Budne via cctalk
Noel wrote: > The PDP-6 and KA10 (basically a re-implementation of the PDP-6 architecture) > both had cheapo versions where addresses 0-15 were in main memory, but also > had an option for real registers, e.g. in the PDP-6: "The Type 162 Fast > Memory Module contains 16 words with a 0.4 usecond cyc

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
> On Oct 3, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > > >> On Oct 3, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On 10/3/19 9:01 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: >> >>> The PDP-6 and KA10 (basically a re-implementation of the PDP-6 architecture) >>> both had

Re: Tandem Minicomputers

2019-10-03 Thread Kevin Monceaux via cctalk
Jason, On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 11:46:03PM -0500, Jason T via cctalk wrote: > There's such as thing as "so obscure that no one knows/cares about > it". I've had those before. Do I have another? It sure is heavy. I've been curious about Tandem systems for years. I had the opportunity to use a

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 3, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/3/19 9:01 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > >> The PDP-6 and KA10 (basically a re-implementation of the PDP-6 architecture) >> both had cheapo versions where addresses 0-15 were in main memory, but also >> had an opt

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread ben via cctalk
On 10/3/2019 10:01 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > From: Paul Koning > Some early machines, the PDP-6 I believe is an example, have > "registers" in the ISA but they actually correspond to specific parts > of main memory. The PDP-6 and KA10 (basically a re-implementatio

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/3/19 9:01 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > The PDP-6 and KA10 (basically a re-implementation of the PDP-6 architecture) > both had cheapo versions where addresses 0-15 were in main memory, but also > had an option for real registers, e.g. in the PDP-6: "The Type 162 Fast > Memory Module

Re: SGI Challenge M memory boards

2019-10-03 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
OK, it was some time ago, it well could be a Challenge L. it was a big box, and was powered by a big 28 V power supply. (Or, was it a 48 V supply?) Jon It should be 48v. A 9uish VME style card cage. The Challenge XL / Full rack Onyx and the Onyx / Challenge L should all share the same memory

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Paul Koning > Some early machines, the PDP-6 I believe is an example, have > "registers" in the ISA but they actually correspond to specific parts > of main memory. The PDP-6 and KA10 (basically a re-implementation of the PDP-6 architecture) both had cheapo versions where

RE: VAX + Spectre

2019-10-03 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Paul Koning via > cctalk > Sent: 03 October 2019 16:28 > To: Stefan Skoglund > Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: VAX + Spectre > > > > > On Oct 3, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Stefan Skoglund > wrote: > > > >

Re: VAX + Spectre

2019-10-03 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 3, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Stefan Skoglund wrote: > > tor 2019-10-03 klockan 09:45 -0400 skrev Paul Koning via cctalk: >>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Maciej W. Rozycki >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: >>> > You need an extremely high resolution timer t

Re: VAX + Spectre

2019-10-03 Thread Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
tor 2019-10-03 klockan 09:45 -0400 skrev Paul Koning via cctalk: > > On Oct 3, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Maciej W. Rozycki > > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > > > > > > You need an extremely high resolution timer to detect slight > > > > differences in > > > > execution tim

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
ons 2019-10-02 klockan 19:02 + skrev Rich Alderson via cctalk: > From: Mark Kahrs > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 7:24 PM > > > The first implementation was done for the 7090 by McCarthy (hence > > CAR and > > CDR --- Contents of Address Register and Contents of Decrement > > Register). > >

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 2, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk > wrote: > > From: Mark Kahrs > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 7:24 PM > >> The first implementation was done for the 7090 by McCarthy (hence CAR and >> CDR --- Contents of Address Register and Contents of Decrement Register). > > In t

Re: VAX + Spectre

2019-10-03 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 3, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > >>> You need an extremely high resolution timer to detect slight differences in >>> execution time of speculatively-executed threads. The VAX 11/780 certainly >>> did >>> not do speculat

Re: LISP implementations on small machines

2019-10-03 Thread David via cctalk
Thanks for that bit of historical information. Things always make more sense in context. When I learned lisp on a B6700 it was hard to understand and harder to program. With this bit of context lisp now makes a lot more sense, and looking back if I knew this then I’m sure I would have grasped th

Re: Fwd: VAX + Spectre

2019-10-03 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > > You need an extremely high resolution timer to detect slight differences in > > execution time of speculatively-executed threads. The VAX 11/780 certainly > > did > > not do speculative execution, and my guess is that all VAXen did not, > > either

Re: Computer Automation Naked Mini circuit boards

2019-10-03 Thread Peter Cetinski via cctalk
I’d like to create a Tandy 150 replica one day since there are no known examples in existence. It was based on the Naked Mini-4 system. These boards seem to be an earlier CA product but I’m not sure. Anyone here know for certain? http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?66885-The-Rarest-Tan

Re: Computer Automation Naked Mini circuit boards

2019-10-03 Thread Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
I have a Naked Mini, where are you located? I couldn't see your images.. not sure if my vcfed account is still good. So I don't know what you have. /P On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:31:09AM +, Roland via cctech wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone has a Computer Automation Naked Mini. >