Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > I should also note, that the other way to get back to real mode from > > protected mode is via a triple-fault. What gets me (and I railed on > > Intel when I worked there for a time) that it still existing in the > > architecture even though

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 3/14/21 11:36 AM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: > > I can say with a fair amount of certainty, that we at IBM knew of the > existence of the LOADALL instructions including all of it's warts (and > its inability to switch back from protected mode) from the earliest days. > ca. 1980, we

Re: VAXstation 2000 network & hardware guides (English & German)

2021-03-14 Thread Malte Dehling via cctalk
I'd be interested in the guides if you're located in Germany, and I do have access to a book scanner. Best, MalteOn Mar 14, 2021 19:08, David Brownlee via cctalk wrote: > > I have acquired a tiny slice of Orange Wall, and wondered if anyone would > be interested - preference for anyone who is

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
In contrast, Apple chose to abandon compatability with all previously existing software On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: When they stopped selling Apple II's when Lisa was released. Yes, exactly. I was referring to the switch to 68000 (Lisa and then Mac), rather than trying

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 3/14/21 1:42 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: In contrast, Apple chose to abandon compatability with all previously existing software When they stopped selling Apple II's when Lisa was released.

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: There were many heated discussions in various task forces (this was of course IBM) about the next generation OS (to become OS/2) about the '286.?? First and foremost was how to be able to run DOS programs on the '286. Over very vocal

RE: VAXstation 2000 network & hardware guides (English & German)

2021-03-14 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
I would be interested in EK-NETAA-UG-001 VAXstation 2000, MicroVAX 2000 and VAXmate Network Guide and the EK-VAXAB-IN-002 VAXstation 2000 Hardware Installation Guide would be nice if you get no takers. You don't say where you are located. I suspect shipping from the USA to the UK would be too

Re: Classic browsing and duckduckgo

2021-03-14 Thread ben via cctalk
On 3/13/2021 3:30 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I strongly suspect that this is the same fellow who published a paper on the ECP-18. You might drop him an email: https://www.linkedin.com/in/allen-fulmer-a4bb5b29 Forget DDG--I use google with an anti-tracking plugin. --Chuck I can see

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 19:37, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: > There were many heated discussions in various task forces (this was of > course IBM) about the next generation OS (to become OS/2) about the > '286. First and foremost was how to be able to run DOS programs on the > '286. Over very

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
On 3/14/21 11:09 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 04:32:20PM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk wrote: On Sun, 7 Mar 2021, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: The 286 can exit protected mode with the LOADALL instruction. [...] The existence of LOADALL (used for

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 04:32:20PM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk wrote: > On Sun, 7 Mar 2021, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: >>> The 286 can exit protected mode with the LOADALL instruction. [...] > The existence of LOADALL (used for in-circuit emulation, a predecessor > technique to modern

VAXstation 2000 network & hardware guides (English & German)

2021-03-14 Thread David Brownlee via cctalk
I have acquired a tiny slice of Orange Wall, and wondered if anyone would be interested - preference for anyone who is setup to scan and upload the missing bits to bitsavers or similar :) These seem to already be generally available online EK-NETAB-UG-002 Workstations and MicroVAX 2000 Network

RE: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
I should update people on this as I have made progress today. I found two broken tracks from the 8742 peripheral controller to the ASICs. One of the ASICs sends a RESET to the 286. When I repaired that track suddenly the protected mode test started to pass. Now I have other errors which are almost

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > The 286 can exit protected mode with the LOADALL instruction. > > Really? So why all the hullabaloo about Triple Faults: > > http://www.rcollins.org/Productivity/TripleFault.html > > back in the day; and why did IBM set up the

Re: Wagner WAC40

2021-03-14 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk > wrote: > > >> Very interesting looking. I can't quite make out what is going on in that >> rectangular area where all the wires terminate, labeled 0-15 and A-R. Are >> there diodes there? Anything on the other side of that board?

Re: Classic browsing and duckduckgo

2021-03-14 Thread Scott Quinn via cctalk
> > > The question arises: "Is this something that seriously interests > > you > > and you're willing dedicate some real effort to? Or is this just > > a > > slow Saturday question?" > > > > I'm sure that Fred could tell you about doing serious research. > > I suspect that means spending