Re: LCM and AI

2021-05-24 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Chris Zach wrote: > The switches are still set, so we should be able to figure out which > system it came from if anyone still had the documentation on that > thing. These are the Chaosnet addresses of the four KS10 ITS machines: AI 3130 MC 3131 MD 3132 ML 3133

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 24, 2021, at 7:03 PM, Mark Huffstutter via cctalk > wrote: > > If They eventually have a local garage sale I'm going to head down there > With my Explorer and a U-Hump trailer to pick up the CDC 6500... ;>) That would be great! You could get help with that. paul

RE: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Mark Huffstutter via cctalk
The Unlikely hope here in Seattle was that Jeff Bezos, Mr. Blue Horizon, would just buy The whole LCM as a turnkey operation. Uh-Huh….. Mark From: Jim Manley [mailto:jim.man...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 4:14 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts; Mark Huffstutter

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk
Penske and others rent tractor-trailers to those with a CDL, so ... 8^O Maybe the real estate arm of Allen’s empire has a deal on a warehouse that Amazon hasn’t already turned into office space? On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:03 PM Mark Huffstutter via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > If

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On May 24, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > However, it looks like they may be trying to re-form it as a charitable > organization, Vulcan Arts & Entertainment, similar to what happened with > EMP/MoPOP. They have a fancy new website (https://vulcanae.com) and are >

RE: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Mark Huffstutter via cctalk
If They eventually have a local garage sale I'm going to head down there With my Explorer and a U-Hump trailer to pick up the CDC 6500... ;>) Mark -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris Zach via cctalk Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk
I’m not a lawyer (thank goodness!), but you have to know what they plan to do and when. If they don’t “happen to see” your associated paperwork and intend to scrap it, the only notice may be via some “public” announcement in an obscure local periodical, as is customary for foreclosure sales. If

Re: Link Rot

2021-05-24 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Mon, 24 May 2021, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2021-05-24 9:58 a.m., Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: On 5/22/21 10:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 5/24/21 3:36 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: They have a lot of unobtainable software and documentation. Even if they do open back up, don't expect to get any intellectual property out of them ever again. The people who were proponents of that were all laid off.

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On May 24, 2021, at 1:07 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, 24 May 2021, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > >>> Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now >>> all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically >>> need to spin up from 0 again --

Re: LCM and AI

2021-05-24 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
For a long time AI used a UNIBUS CHAOSNet card, plugged into an -11 connected up to AI via the Rubin 10-11 interface. (I'm not sure which -11; maybe the TV-11, but I think I remember there was another one used for the CHAOSNet? I think the same -11 that the AI Lab's 3-mbit Ethernet interface was

Re: Link Rot

2021-05-24 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2021-05-24 9:58 a.m., Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: On 5/22/21 10:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text. Kids. It seems to be the modern

Re: LCM

2021-05-24 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Lars Brinkhoff > Chris Zach wrote: >> I'll drop by and see which CHAOSNet card it has. > It may have been removed when we worked on getting ITS booted. For a long time AI used a UNIBUS CHAOSNet card, plugged into an -11 connected up to AI via the Rubin 10-11 interface.

Re: LCM

2021-05-24 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/24/21 1:20 PM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk wrote: Chris Zach wrote: That is good news. Ok, hopefully it will be open by August in which case I'll drop by and see which CHAOSNet card it has. It may have been removed when we worked on getting ITS booted. I wonder if the MineCraft server

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Daniel Seagraves via cctalk
> On May 24, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Well if it winds up in the dumpster then that's yet another lesson to not > trust "Museums". It's actually funny than MC was taken from the storage shed > and turned up at another "Museum”. I would expect them to sell it to

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
On 5/24/21 1:36 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On May 24, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Well if it winds up in the dumpster then that's yet another lesson to not trust "Museums". It's actually funny than MC was taken from the storage shed and turned up at another

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
I am sure that Vulcan has gotten enough grief that they want to spin them off into foundations-like entities like what happened with EMP. There will lose a lot of good will otherwise, which will translate into what they care about, lost business. alan On 5/24/21 1:31 PM, Chris Zach via

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 24, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Well if it winds up in the dumpster then that's yet another lesson to not > trust "Museums". It's actually funny than MC was taken from the storage shed > and turned up at another "Museum". > > Oi. > C I've worked with a

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Well if it winds up in the dumpster then that's yet another lesson to not trust "Museums". It's actually funny than MC was taken from the storage shed and turned up at another "Museum". Oi. C On 5/24/2021 4:29 PM, geneb wrote: On Mon, 24 May 2021, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Ah however in

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 09:34:03PM -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > I was looking through some old journal entries and found this: > > AI is lonely... > > She has been sitting quietly in my house for the past 8 years. She > runs, but is old now and tired. Most of the time she sits in her >

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Mon, 24 May 2021, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Ah however in the door pocket there is a letter stating that if Paul ever got tired of the system or the museum closed that I would come and pick it up again. Done this a number of times. It kind of gets old, but I really thought Paul Allen

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Ah however in the door pocket there is a letter stating that if Paul ever got tired of the system or the museum closed that I would come and pick it up again. Done this a number of times. It kind of gets old, but I really thought Paul Allen wouldn't run out of money or interest. Go figure.

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Mon, 24 May 2021, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically need to spin up from 0 again -- considering Vulcan shut down LCM, Cinerama and the Flying Heritage Museum as

Old Mac IICX to give away in Los Angeles/Orange County.

2021-05-24 Thread Steven Stengel via cctalk
Free Macintosh IICX in Orange County CA area. Sometimes it boots, often it doesn’t (power supply issue?). Also HD has stiction issues. Also the tall profile monitor has a very smeary image. Other than that, it’s great! Everything is included - computer with cover, keyboard, mouse, monitor.

Seeking: X.25 networking equipment

2021-05-24 Thread æstrid smith via cctalk
Hi folks, I'm looking to build an X.25 packet data network for semi-active use at the Connections Museum in Seattle. Please contact me off-list () if you have any X.25-capable networking gear (routers, PADs, cable, etc) that wants a new home. Why? Some of our newer equipment has serial

Re: IBM PC Network

2021-05-24 Thread Richard Pope via cctalk
Hello all, IBM also stated that personal computers will never be accepted. Then when they finally bowed to pressure and started building personal computers they stated that color and sound would never be necessary, GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 5/23/2021 2:06 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
There were two Osborne floppy formats. Both CP/M. IIRC, the original format was "Single Density" (FM), 10 sectors per track, with 256 bytes per sector (similar to the TRS80-Model-1. That will require FM/SD capability. Most NEC FDCs did not support that. Dave Dunfield has a test program

RE: Link Rot

2021-05-24 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current generations don't want to > spend a couple of minutes reading text when they can sit though 30 > minutes > of visual content instead. It's like brains have lost the ability to > focus > on something unless it's noisy and moving. No. Money. It is

Re: LCM

2021-05-24 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Chris Zach wrote: > That is good news. Ok, hopefully it will be open by August in which > case I'll drop by and see which CHAOSNet card it has. It may have been removed when we worked on getting ITS booted.

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
On 5/24/21 9:24 AM, Jason Howe via cctalk wrote: On Sun, 2021-05-23 at 21:34 -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Anyone know if the LCM will be open Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically need

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically need to spin up from 0 again -- considering Vulcan shut down LCM, Cinerama and the Flying Heritage Museum as soon as they could after Paul's death -- I put my

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-24 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/24/21 9:04 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > A photographer I know contacted me last night asking about reading Osborne 1 > floppies. What does it take to read these? > > The only Catweasel board I have is the old Zorro 2 board for the Amiga. I do > have 5.25” floppy drives. Neither of

Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

2021-05-24 Thread Jason Howe via cctalk
On Sun, 2021-05-23 at 21:34 -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Anyone know if the LCM will be open Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no. They'd basically need to spin up from 0 again -- considering Vulcan shut

Re: LCM (was: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....)

2021-05-24 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Another Allen non-profit institution, the Museum of Pop Culture (formerly the Experience Music Project, then EMP, then Experience Music Project and Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame (“EMPSFM” for short-ish), then EMP Museum) is now open Fridays through Mondays. That is good news. Ok,

Re: LCM (was: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....)

2021-05-24 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk
Wasn’t there a question as to whether LCM + L was ever going to open again because Paul Allen’s estate’s executors are closing down things that don’t interest them (permanently?), and COVID-19 provided an excuse to completely lay off staff? The website still says “closed ... for now”. Another

How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-24 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
A photographer I know contacted me last night asking about reading Osborne 1 floppies. What does it take to read these? The only Catweasel board I have is the old Zorro 2 board for the Amiga. I do have 5.25” floppy drives. Neither of us have an Osborne anymore (I think mine went to Jim

Re: Link Rot

2021-05-24 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 5/22/21 10:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text. Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current generations don't want to spend a couple of

LCM (was: Writings on AI from 17 years ago....)

2021-05-24 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On May 23, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > The funny part is someone replied "Donate it to a museum" and I wrote: > > "*nod* Unfortunately, after the Boston Computer Museum debacle, I'm a bit > wary of museums. Other problem is it would just get stuck in a back room and >

Re: IBM PC Network

2021-05-24 Thread Lyle Bickley via cctalk
On Sat, 22 May 2021 23:00:31 -0600 Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 5/22/21 6:50 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote: > > Wow, never heard of "Tokenray" ;) > > Nor have I. > > > BTW: 16 Mbit Token Ring was much more reliable (especially in "noisy" > > environments) and considerably faster

Re: DEC weights

2021-05-24 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
If you're concerned about a specific rack to have shipped, I'd weigh the actual item, borrow a floor scale or something. Bill On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:21 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > > From: Barry M > > > H960 120 lbs (not sure if this includes the side panels) > > The H960

Re: DEC weights

2021-05-24 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Barry M > H960 120 lbs (not sure if this includes the side panels) The H960 has a whole constellation of appurtenances which can add to the weight: sides, back door, back mounting frame, top fan(s), floor screen, stabilizer feet, etc, etc. I happen to have an empty H960 (well,

Re: DEC weights

2021-05-24 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
I think the site prep guide had weights listed. On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 1:00 AM Fritz Mueller via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On May 23, 2021, at 9:14 PM, Marc Howard via cctech < > cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > In my case I'm looking for the weight of an RK05 and full

Re: DEC weights

2021-05-24 Thread B M via cctalk
Marc, I am not aware of a single document that lists the weights of various sub-systems. I did find the weights or the RK05 and H960 rack: RK05 110 lbs See: DEC-00-RK05-DA RK05 DISK DRIVE MAINTENANCE MANUAL Page 1-2 H960 120 lbs (not sure if this includes the side panels) See:

Re: DEC weights

2021-05-24 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On May 23, 2021, at 9:14 PM, Marc Howard via cctech > wrote: > In my case I'm looking for the weight of an RK05 and full height 19" DEC > rack. I have not see these published, but can attest that it is somewhere between 1 25-yr-old-can-load-in-station-wagon and 1