Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards

[Cameron Kaiser via cctalk]

> > For my kids and their friends I used to set up several (up to  like 5)
> > bare motherboards first with lantastic 2MB cards and then NE2000 10mB
> > compatible cards and play Doom over IPX back in the 90's.
> 
> Yes.  Thank you.  IPX.  That was the network layer.

Mac Doom even plays over AppleTalk. LocalTalk suffered a bit though.

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Re: Comparing IBM PC and IBM Displaywriter

[Ray Jewhurst via cctalk]

Very enjoyable. I have heard the Displaywriter but one, I have not seen one in 
action and two I no idea that it could run MS-DOS or CP/M. Does anyone have any 
idea what the bios is like? I wonder if it could be emulated for preservation 
sake.

Ray

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Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 5:02:15 PM
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Subject: Comparing IBM PC and IBM Displaywriter

https://youtu.be/zqsd2HU0ZuY

Just uploaded this video, thought some of you guys might enjoy :)

-Eric

Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards

[Ethan Dicks via cctalk]

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 5:06 PM Mike Katz via cctalk
 wrote:
> For my kids and their friends I used to set up several (up to  like 5)
> bare motherboards first with lantastic 2MB cards and then NE2000 10mB
> compatible cards and play Doom over IPX back in the 90's.

Yes.  Thank you.  IPX.  That was the network layer.

-ethan

Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards

[Mike Katz via cctalk]

For my kids and their friends I used to set up several (up to  like 5) 
bare motherboards first with lantastic 2MB cards and then NE2000 10mB 
compatible cards and play Doom over IPX back in the 90's.


On 12/13/2021 2:09 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:

On 12/12/21 10:28 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
I haven't used ARCnet since we used to use it for 4-player Doom 
(especially since not everyone in the gaming group had Ethernet at 
home yet and it was easy to make a passive 4-port ARCnet hub.


I find this statement interesting for a couple of different reasons:

1)  Paying Doom over ARCnet.  --  I don't think I realized that ARCnet 
was standardized enough that normal networking applications would work 
over it.  --  Naivety on my part.


2)  "it was easy to make a passive 4-port ARCnet hub" ... I don't know 
how to respond to that with anything but curiosity and /many/ open 
ended questions.

Comparing IBM PC and IBM Displaywriter

[Eric Moore via cctalk]

https://youtu.be/zqsd2HU0ZuY

Just uploaded this video, thought some of you guys might enjoy :)

-Eric

Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards

[Ethan Dicks via cctalk]

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 3:09 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk
 wrote:
> On 12/12/21 10:28 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
> > I haven't used ARCnet since we used to use it for 4-player Doom
> > (especially since not everyone in the gaming group had Ethernet at
> > home yet and it was easy to make a passive 4-port ARCnet hub.
>
> I find this statement interesting for a couple of different reasons:
>
> 1)  Paying Doom over ARCnet.  --  I don't think I realized that ARCnet
> was standardized enough that normal networking applications would work
> over it.  --  Naivety on my part.

The Doom application contained a network stack that would handle the
higher layers.  IIRC, you still had to load a packet driver shim, but
perhaps not.  It's been a lng time since I've done it.

But you definitely could play up to 4 players when each machine had an
ARCnet card.  Ethernet cards worked too but they cost a lot more at
the time.

> 2)  "it was easy to make a passive 4-port ARCnet hub" ... I don't know
> how to respond to that with anything but curiosity and /many/ open ended
> questions.

https://apenwarr.ca/arcnet/howto/cabling.html

You just take 4 BNCs and 4 resistors.  Tie all the grounds together
(can use a metal bar or wire or whatever) and connect one resistor to
each core and tie all 4 resistors together.

In other words, ARCnet supports a Star topology that Ethernet does
not.  It's a token-passing scheme, not CSMA (collision detection).

Cheers,

-ethan

>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die

Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 12/12/21 10:28 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
I haven't used ARCnet since we used to use it for 4-player Doom 
(especially since not everyone in the gaming group had Ethernet at 
home yet and it was easy to make a passive 4-port ARCnet hub.


I find this statement interesting for a couple of different reasons:

1)  Paying Doom over ARCnet.  --  I don't think I realized that ARCnet 
was standardized enough that normal networking applications would work 
over it.  --  Naivety on my part.


2)  "it was easy to make a passive 4-port ARCnet hub" ... I don't know 
how to respond to that with anything but curiosity and /many/ open ended 
questions.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

RE: Content of www.blacksheepnetworks.com

[mazzinia--- via cctalk]

Actually seems that google cached part of the 5010 pages, so maybe 50% or
more can be still saved. Means the site is down since not too long

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Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 5:16 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Content of www.blacksheepnetworks.com

Hello,

This site used to have a lot of very useful and rare information on
Tru64 troubleshooting and Google still has the links to the articles but the
content itself is inaccessible:

http://www.blacksheepnetworks.com/security/resources/tru64/

Has anyone by any chance archived the content of this site while it was
still alive? archive.org did not, unfortunately.

Thank you!

Kind regards,

Sab

Content of www.blacksheepnetworks.com

[Rumi Szabolcs via cctalk]

Hello,

This site used to have a lot of very useful and rare information on
Tru64 troubleshooting and Google still has the links to the articles
but the content itself is inaccessible:

http://www.blacksheepnetworks.com/security/resources/tru64/

Has anyone by any chance archived the content of this site while
it was still alive? archive.org did not, unfortunately.

Thank you!

Kind regards,

Sab

Re: Cheap PDP-8 boards on eBait

[Joshua Rice via cctalk]

Looks like the seller has also listed a Lisa CPU board. I imagine that 
will be of interest to many here

Re: What is this massive binder of computer minutes1955 to 1964. I did cel phone or of text below we have

[ED SHARPE via cctalk]

There is eeting one thru 80 something plus other study reports. Page one of 
minutes 1 has  bad spots so I ocr the header  off meeting 2

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  On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 2:14 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk 
wrote:   May be some errors In ocr..The Second Meeting of the Committee to 
Study Developments in Electronic Computing Machines and Their Application, 
September 22, 1955 The second meeting of the Committee was held on Sept ember 
22, 1955, at 2 P.M. in the Board room at the Dominion Bureau of 
Statistics.Messrs. J.T. Marshall (Chairman);B.G. Ballard; H. Freedman; C.J. 
Gardner; R.W. James ; N. Keyfitz; J.A. Kidd; E.0. Landry; C. Scott; and R. 
Ziola (Secretary ) Present were: The Chairman pointed out that minutesof the 
first meeting of this Committee had been distribut ed to all membersand called 
for comments and correctionsS. were adopted 8s presented The minut es The 
Chairman referred to the Treasury Board letter T.B.486770 which gave approval 
to the setting up of this Committee and expressed appreciation to Messrs. E.0. 
Landry and D.. atters for their assistance in connection with the Committee's 
submission e rea.suryboard. During the sumer months officials representing 
three manufacturers of electronic eqipment met with members of the Commit tee 
to discuss some aspects of the equipment afactured. These included: 2. 
orfieials from Burroughs who explained the operating princ iples of the B.101 
at a meeting held at the Dominion Bureau of Statistics on June 22, 1955. 2. 
Officials of .C.A. who explained the operating principles of BIZMAC at a eeting 
beld at the Jackson Building on July 7, 1955. S.0fficials from IEM ho presented 
a short movie on "Direct line to decisions ", dealing with the type 650 and 700 
series of machinesat a meeting held at the C.h.?. Hess on August 12, 1955. n 
referring to letters received since the first meeting,the Chairman pointed u 
that since they dealt with same of the topics includedon the agenda it might be 
CaairabLeto considerthen when the se topics were under discus sion. 

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What is this massive binder of computer minutes1955 to 1964. I did cel phone or of text below we have

[ED SHARPE via cctalk]

May be some errors In ocr..The Second Meeting of the Committee to Study 
Developments in Electronic Computing Machines and Their Application, September 
22, 1955 The second meeting of the Committee was held on Sept ember 22, 1955, 
at 2 P.M. in the Board room at the Dominion Bureau of Statistics.Messrs. J.T. 
Marshall (Chairman);B.G. Ballard; H. Freedman; C.J. Gardner; R.W. James ; N. 
Keyfitz; J.A. Kidd; E.0. Landry; C. Scott; and R. Ziola (Secretary ) Present 
were: The Chairman pointed out that minutesof the first meeting of this 
Committee had been distribut ed to all membersand called for comments and 
correctionsS. were adopted 8s presented The minut es The Chairman referred to 
the Treasury Board letter T.B.486770 which gave approval to the setting up of 
this Committee and expressed appreciation to Messrs. E.0. Landry and D.. atters 
for their assistance in connection with the Committee's submission e 
rea.suryboard. During the sumer months officials representing three 
manufacturers of electronic eqipment met with members of the Commit tee to 
discuss some aspects of the equipment afactured. These included: 2. orfieials 
from Burroughs who explained the operating princ iples of the B.101 at a 
meeting held at the Dominion Bureau of Statistics on June 22, 1955. 2. 
Officials of .C.A. who explained the operating principles of BIZMAC at a eeting 
beld at the Jackson Building on July 7, 1955. S.0fficials from IEM ho presented 
a short movie on "Direct line to decisions ", dealing with the type 650 and 700 
series of machinesat a meeting held at the C.h.?. Hess on August 12, 1955. n 
referring to letters received since the first meeting,the Chairman pointed u 
that since they dealt with same of the topics includedon the agenda it might be 
CaairabLeto considerthen when the se topics were under discus sion. 

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