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geneb wrote: > Patrick Finnegan wrote: >> It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription >> services now. > You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/ There's also news.dotsrc.org. (formerly sunsite.dk)
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On Thu, 4 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds. My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there. Best of both worlds: https://tempestfpga.com/retromodem/ :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds. My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there. I consider analog modems similar to out houses. An interesting historical factoid but not something to be missed藍. Or even reminisce about. On 5/4/2023 3:08 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 5/4/2023 1:41 PM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :( Doesn't have to be local. I use a server in Berlin. Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP) gateway for Finland. I used to run a server at the University where I worked. Used to score very high in ratings. Had a satellite feed as well as the terrestrial ones and moved a lot of news in my time. Those were good times. bill
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On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:46 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On 5/4/23 13:23, geneb via cctalk wrote: > >> You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however > >> they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really) > > On Thu, 4 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > That's useful to know--I haven't been on usenet in perhaps 40 years. > > That's OK. > Any flamewars that you were reading are probably still active. > That's not only really funny, but probably true. Sellam
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On 5/4/23 13:23, geneb via cctalk wrote: You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really) On Thu, 4 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: That's useful to know--I haven't been on usenet in perhaps 40 years. That's OK. Any flamewars that you were reading are probably still active.
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On 5/4/23 13:23, geneb via cctalk wrote: > You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however > they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really) > That's useful to know--I haven't been on usenet in perhaps 40 years. --Chuck
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On Thu, 4 May 2023, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote: It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still runs one. You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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On 5/4/2023 1:41 PM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :( Doesn't have to be local. I use a server in Berlin. Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP) gateway for Finland. I used to run a server at the University where I worked. Used to score very high in ratings. Had a satellite feed as well as the terrestrial ones and moved a lot of news in my time. Those were good times. bill
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Thanks! Wow, they even provide UUCP batches! Julf On 04/05/2023 20:00, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 18:49, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :( I use Eternal September, via Thunderbird. Works very well. Password requirements are annoying, and the initial setup is very non-intuitive, but follow the documentation and it works. https://www.eternal-september.org/
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On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 18:49, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: > > Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :( I use Eternal September, via Thunderbird. Works very well. Password requirements are annoying, and the initial setup is very non-intuitive, but follow the documentation and it works. https://www.eternal-september.org/ -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
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A shame. :( Julf On 04/05/2023 19:51, Patrick Finnegan wrote: It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still runs one. Pat On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:49 PM Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :( Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP) gateway for Finland. Julf On 04/05/2023 18:47, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote: FidoNet is still a thing too. So is USENET. Julf I was going to jump in and say this but you beat me to it. I am involved in stuff on USENET all the time. Many groups have been destroyed and are pretty much useless but many of them are still going strong. bill
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It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still runs one. Pat On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:49 PM Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: > > Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :( > > Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP) > gateway for Finland. > > Julf > > On 04/05/2023 18:47, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: > >> On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote: > >> > >>> FidoNet is still a thing too. > >> > >> So is USENET. > >> > >> Julf > > > > I was going to jump in and say this but you beat me to it. > > > > > > I am involved in stuff on USENET all the time. Many groups have been > > > > destroyed and are pretty much useless but many of them are still going > > > > strong. > > > > > > bill > > > >
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Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :( Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP) gateway for Finland. Julf On 04/05/2023 18:47, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote: FidoNet is still a thing too. So is USENET. Julf I was going to jump in and say this but you beat me to it. I am involved in stuff on USENET all the time. Many groups have been destroyed and are pretty much useless but many of them are still going strong. bill
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Fidonet is def. a thing. There is a New Zealand group- FSXnet - that I found when researching how to actually _join_ a Fidonet network. Docs for this from the pov of someone that has never done it are few. I.E. it seem very hard to find direction to join into Fidonet unless you are already there. https://fsxnet.nz/fsxnet/join This was done because I am setting up a BBS on a Macintosh SE running System 6. There is a modern BBS being written today (in C) called SubText BBS that can connect up to Fidonet (I connected to FSX net after signing up and getting a node assignment.). It's cool to get the network messages from all over the globe on your local BBS. https://jcs.org/subtext My BBS is up: telnet to-> bbs.diller.org login as guest. It's running on a SE w/ 4MB ram. Setting this up and getting things going was a fun diversion and using a Mac SE for it was a blast as well. On Fidonet? Send me some mail: massive@21:3/178 thanks, -andy > On May 4, 2023, at 8:59 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > >> Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems). >> > FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now > just myself and a couple of other nodes.) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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On Thu, 4 May 2023, Warner Losh wrote: On Thu, May 4, 2023, 6:59 AM geneb via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems). FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now just myself and a couple of other nodes.) Sadly, the node lists are super out of date... Are you getting a current one? The ones I get are up to date. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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Running over POTS has it's appeal from a historical standpoint but from a speed standpoint IP is orders of magnitude faster. I think the term I was looking for is Fidonet Echomail Co-ordinator. And net 115 was the Chicago area. On 5/4/2023 10:30 AM, geneb wrote: On Thu, 4 May 2023, Mike Katz wrote: I closed down my BBS nearly 30 years ago. I ran Bit Wiz Opus (115/689) for a long time. I've forgotten what it was called in FidoNet but my system was the gateway for net 115 to the back bone for several years. At a telephone cost of over $100/month. I shut it down sometime in the early 90's. It ran on a 10MHz 286. It's nice to hear that Fidonet still exists though with direct email, blogs, forums, etc. I'm quite surprised. But then, I play with 50 year old PDP-8 computers so who am I wonder why people keep old technology running?. While there are still some nodes running on POTS, it's mostly over IP these days. g.
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On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote: FidoNet is still a thing too. So is USENET. Julf I was going to jump in and say this but you beat me to it. I am involved in stuff on USENET all the time. Many groups have been destroyed and are pretty much useless but many of them are still going strong. bill
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On Thu, May 4, 2023, 6:59 AM geneb via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > > > Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems). > > > FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now > just myself and a couple of other nodes.) > Sadly, the node lists are super out of date... Warner g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! >
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On Thu, 4 May 2023, Mike Katz wrote: I closed down my BBS nearly 30 years ago. I ran Bit Wiz Opus (115/689) for a long time. I've forgotten what it was called in FidoNet but my system was the gateway for net 115 to the back bone for several years. At a telephone cost of over $100/month. I shut it down sometime in the early 90's. It ran on a 10MHz 286. It's nice to hear that Fidonet still exists though with direct email, blogs, forums, etc. I'm quite surprised. But then, I play with 50 year old PDP-8 computers so who am I wonder why people keep old technology running?. While there are still some nodes running on POTS, it's mostly over IP these days. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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FidoNet is still a thing too. So is USENET. Julf And bigger than ever (storage size wise.) - Ethan -- : Ethan O'Toole
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On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote: FidoNet is still a thing too. So is USENET. Julf
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I closed down my BBS nearly 30 years ago. I ran Bit Wiz Opus (115/689) for a long time. I've forgotten what it was called in FidoNet but my system was the gateway for net 115 to the back bone for several years. At a telephone cost of over $100/month. I shut it down sometime in the early 90's. It ran on a 10MHz 286. It's nice to hear that Fidonet still exists though with direct email, blogs, forums, etc. I'm quite surprised. But then, I play with 50 year old PDP-8 computers so who am I wonder why people keep old technology running. Mike On 5/4/2023 7:59 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems). FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now just myself and a couple of other nodes.) g.
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On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems). FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now just myself and a couple of other nodes.) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
