Re: [RANT] EX-PARROT (Was:False Beeprog. AGAIN.

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin once stated: Surely any competent designer will provide a way to prevent/recover from that situation! That could consist of a physical switch or jumper that must be manually set before the system can writeover the NVRAM. OR there could be a

Re: List Gripes

It was thus said that the Great william degnan once stated: I have found that bounces can be reduced if you play around with the receiving mail server.For example, turn off greylisting (returns 400 level codes some servers don't like). I do greylisting on my email server [1] and I have

Re: email gripe

It was thus said that the Great jwsmobile once stated: sending live URL's in the text that don't require a multi step copy paste, or even save email edit, feed to lynx would be nice. Html email does that. There are some on this list (such as I) that do not use a graphical email client,

Re: List Gripes

It was thus said that the Great couryho...@aol.com once stated: Dwight, yes I think so as I am on many lists and some hate the aol address more than others do I've had my fights with AOL (since I run my own email server). I think in the end, I had to tell AOL that I was

Sign magnitude, one's complement, two's complement

For my own morbid curiosity, and because it came up on another mailing list I'm on [1], what machines commercially avaialble were sign magnitude and one's complement? Every machine I've encountered was two's complement (okay, IEEE 754 [2] is a sign magnitude format but I'm talking about

Re: email gripe

It was thus said that the Great Dave Woyciesjes once stated: On 07/07/2015 09:06 PM, Sean Conner wrote: ...But I've tried using a GUI to check email and frankly, I found it too painful to use. It wasn't that the GUI was confusing or inconsistent, but that it was *way too slow*. Sluggish

Re: email gripe

It was thus said that the Great jwsmobile once stated: On 7/7/2015 12:43 PM, Sean Conner wrote: It was thus said that the Great jwsmobile once stated: sending live URL's in the text that don't require a multi step copy paste, or even save email edit, feed to lynx would be nice. Html email

Re: Worst Video Game Ever was Re: Sales of unearthed Atari games total more than $100, 000

It was thus said that the Great j...@cimmeri.com once stated: > > That said, however, I'm still quite > happy playing with my Bally Arcade... ;-) I remember that system! My uncle had one. What I remember most about it is the controller, a combination joystick and paddle in one. It was

Re: It's BASIC Week again!

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis once stated: > On 09/13/2015 01:18 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > Well, participating in such an event for the fun of it might be > interesting, but to be perfectly frank, I don't know what one > calls "BASIC" anymore. > > > >Does it have to be

Re: internet blocking problem ?

It was thus said that the Great Christian Kennedy once stated: > On 9/10/15 18:32, Jon Elson wrote: > > > So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in the US, to > > check if they can view this page: > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html > > DNS doesn't

Re: TOP POSTING (was: RE: Best 200 buck I have ever spent!!! Deal of a lifetime!!!

It was thus said that the Great Mike Boyle once stated: > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ***This e-mail transmission, including any > attachments, contains information that may be confidential or privileged. > The information is intended for the use of the individual or entity named > above. If

Re: [SPOILERS] Re: Targeting Computers in X wing fighters.

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin once stated: > On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, jwsmobile wrote: > >Some people are waiting for the nuts to quit filing theaters. Please don't > >discuss w/o a warning as Al placed on the line (or if someone else did, > >I've not gotten that message). > >It is ill

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, TeoZ wrote: > > The ultimate gaming 486 would have an EISA+VLB motherboard. > > Yes, I would agree on that. However, since I'm mostly interested in > running older Unix variants and DOS, games aren't at the top of my

Re: Keyboards and the Model M (was Re: NEC ProSpeed 386)

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Tue, 31 May 2016, Peter Coghlan wrote: > > > It might be interesting to poll the list to see who's still using an IBM > > > Model M keyboard on their x86 box. I am. > > > Windows key? What Windows key? ;) > > > > x86 box? What x86

Re: Keyboards and Mice (was Model M, NEC ProSpeed)

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 1 June 2016 at 17:48, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > I'm keyboard-oriented--Ctrl-V, where I've copied using Ctrl-X or > > Control-C . > > The neat thing about middle-click-to-paste-selection is that it's *as > well as* the

Re: Quadra 660AV what's with the "PowerPC" label?

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > > System 9.x and before are > > "something different" for me, a break from my mostly hardcore CLI > > existence. > > Yes, true. An OS I still miss, for all its instability and quirkiness. > I'd love to see a modern FOSS recreation, at

Re: Quadra 660AV what's with the "PowerPC" label?

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > It's a modern init. Most of panic is just headless running around. No, > it's not an old-fashioned simplistic Unix utility. Hey, newsflash, > neither is GNOME, neither is KDE. Neither is much of modern Unix. I'm not a fan of systemd,

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

It was thus said that the Great Maciej W. Rozycki once stated: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Sean Caron wrote: > > > Oh, man, that brings back memories. Trying to bang Linux onto a 386SX-16 > > with > > 4 Meg RAM and some puny little hard drive ... My first NAT box! It was > > pretty > > excruciating

Re: Quadra 660AV what's with the "PowerPC" label?

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 14 June 2016 at 01:56, Sean Conner <s...@conman.org> wrote: > > What do you feel is still missing from OS-X today? About the only thing I > > can think of is the unique file system, where each file had a data an

Some questions about the MC6839

(My original message to cctech has yet to appear. I thought I might try the cctalk list). While Motorola never shipped the MC6839 [1] the binary is available [2] and I've been playing around with it [3]. While it's not producing the exact same results as I get on a more modern machine, it

Some questions about the MC6839

So Motorola apparently never produced the MC6839, a ROM containing position independent 6809 code for implementing (as far as I can see) IEEE 754 Draft 8. Motorola *did* however, release the resulting binary into (from what I understand) the Public Domain [1] but I've yet to find the actual

Re: PDP-10 programming [was RE: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)]

It was thus said that the Great Rich Alderson once stated: > > For most hobbyists, even $100 is too much. I was simply astounded at the > chutzpah of the seller--right there on the Amazon list--who was asking > nearly $1500 for a copy. I think that comes from an unchecked computer algorithm,

Re: Accelerator boards - no future? Bad business?

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > > Remember all the accelerator boards for the Mac, Amiga, and even PCs in the > 90's ? I've often wished that I could get something similar on my older SGI > systems. For example, fitting an R16k into an O2 or doing dynamic >

Re: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Jerry Kemp wrote: > > > Unix is a very religious subject. My last intent is to get on someone's > > bad side here. > > Tell me about it. I'm just lucky/glad to have avoided the VMS vs Unix wars > in the 90's. Too

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > > What I've often wondered is why there are so many IT people with the > > same sort of laments and we haven't all collectively built our own > > networks over wireless ? > > The crazy patchwork quilt of regulations applying to amateur use

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > And I spend over $80/month for DSL to a provider that gives me a /29 > and a /60 from globally routed space. (That everything is now CIDR > blocks is another loss; I am not fond of the desupporting of > noncontiguous subnet masks, even

Re: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > > Oh, and while I?m at it, both vi and emacs suck. Give me TPU! :-) > > Heh, I'm one of the few Unix guys that might be inclined to agree. I can > use both. However, I got used to Wordstar, then the IDE in Borland > products (which is

Re: The Ivory Tower saga was Re: strangest systems I've sent email

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > Take also, for example, Lisp. I've used Lisp. I even wrote a Lisp > engine. I love the language, even though I almost never use it. But > some of the mental patterns it has given me inform much of the code I > write regardless of

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 26 April 2016 at 16:41, Liam Proven wrote: > > When I was playing with home micros (mainly Sinclair and Amstrad; the > American stuff was just too expensive for Brits in the early-to-mid > 1980s), the culture was

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa once stated: > > From: Liam Proven > > > There's the not-remotely-safe kinda-sorta C in a web browser, > > Javascript. > > Love the rant, which I mostly agree with (_especially_ that one). A couple of > comments: > > > So they still

Re: smalltalk and lisp (was: strangest systems I've sent email from)

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > > I don't want to bolt > on anything else, just let me define the same function twice with two > different parameter lists and I'll be one happy dude. The problem with that is the function name mangling (in object files) needs to be

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 27 April 2016 at 22:13, Sean Conner <s...@conman.org> wrote: > > Do you really think it's growing? I'd like very much to believe that. > I see little sign of it. I do hope you're right. I read Hacker News an

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis once stated: > On 04/30/2016 02:07 PM, Mouse wrote: > > > Reading this really gives me the impression that it's time to fork > > C. There seems to me to be a need for two different languages, which > > I might slightly inaccurately call the one C used

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Tapley, Mark once stated: > On Apr 25, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > > > ...To tell you the truth, I'm not very likely to hire anyone who isn't > > conversant with at least half a dozen different languages. ... > > Although I

Re: The Ivory Tower saga was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Raymond Wiker once stated: > > > On 26 Apr 2016, at 05:39 , Swift Griggs wrote: > > > > It's probably a bad idea to dismiss anyone's experience when you haven't > > "walked a mile in his moccasins.", including mine. Though my attempt may

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Fri, 20 May 2016, Sean Conner wrote: > > By the late 80s, C was available on many different systems and was not > > yet standardized. > > There were lots of standards, but folks typically gravitated toward K o

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > > 3) It's slower. Two reasons for this: > > Even to the extent this is true, in most cases, "so what"? > > Most executables are not performance-critical enough for dynamic-linker > overhead to matter. (For the few that are, or for the

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > > complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > > NULL pointer" ... ) > > As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish > the C

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin once stated: > On Wed, 18 May 2016, John Willis wrote: > >Let's not forget that the bulk of the Apple Lisa operating system and > >at least large parts of the original Macintosh system software were also > >implemented in Pascal (though IIRC

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great William Donzelli once stated: > > First off, can you supply a list of architectures that are NOT 2's > > complement integer math that are still made and in active use today? As far > > as I can tell, there was only one signed-magnitude architecture ever > >

Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Tue, 24 May 2016, william degnan wrote: > > Here's a power point pres I did at VCF-E4, this will get you started. > > Using Altair 680b front panel in basic terms is covered a few slides in. > >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 29 April 2016 at 19:49, Mouse wrote: > > > > It's true that C is easy to use unsafely. However, (a) it arose as an > > OS implementation language, for which some level of unsafeness is > > necessary, and

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > >>> -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > >>> complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > >>> NULL pointer" ... ) > >> As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > >>> -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > >>> complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > >>> NULL pointer" ... ) > >> As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish >

Re: 1's comp

It was thus said that the Great ben once stated: > On 5/20/2016 7:19 PM, Sean Conner wrote: > > >> > >>Hehe, what is a long long? Yes, you are totally right. Still, I assert > >>that C is still the defacto most portable language on Earth. What other > >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great ben once stated: > On 5/20/2016 2:58 > > > > >[4] Say, a C compiler an 8088. How big is a pointer? How big of an > > object can you point to? How much code is involved with "p++"? > > How come INTEL thought that 64 KB segments ample? I guess they only used

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > This has been waiting for a reply for too long... As has this ... > On 4 May 2016 at 20:59, Sean Conner <s...@conman.org> wrote: > > > > Part of that was the MMU-less 68000. It certainly made message pass

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 29 April 2016 at 21:06, Sean Conner <s...@conman.org> wrote: > > It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > > > I read that and it doesn't really seem that CAOS would have been much > >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin once stated: > On 22 May 2016 at 04:52, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >Because the 808x was a 16-bit processor with 1MB physical addressing. I > >would argue that for the time 808x was brilliant in that most other 16-bit > >micros only

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 22 May 2016 at 04:52, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > > Because the 808x was a 16-bit processor with 1MB physical addressing. I > > would argue that for the time 808x was brilliant in that most other 16-bit > > micros

Re: NuTek Mac comes

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > >> All the now-nostalgicized-over '80s OSes were pretty horribly > >> unstable: [...] > > Personally - I went through my larval phase under it - I'd cite VMS as > a counterexample. Even today I think a lot of OSes would do well to > learn from

Re: VMS stability back in the day (was Re: NuTek Mac comes)

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Sean Conner wrote: > > What I've read about VMS makes me think the networking was incredible. > > Big Fat Disclaimer: I know very little about VMS. I'm a UNIX zealot. > > I work with a lot of

Re: Reproduction micros

It was thus said that the Great Peter Corlett once stated: > > Unsurprisingly, the x86 ISA is brain-damaged here, in that some instructions > (e.g. inc") only affect some bits in EFLAGS, which causes a partial register > stall. The recommended "fix" is to avoid such instructions. I'm not

Re: NuTek Mac comes

It was thus said that the Great Eric Christopherson once stated: > On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Chris Hanson > wrote: > > > QuickDraw was almost literally the first code running on the Mac once it > > switched to 68K. > > > > Was there a pre-68K period in Mac

Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)

It was thus said that the Great Paul Berger once stated: > > > The DOS editor I really like was originally call PE and an enhanced > version "E" was shipped with later version of PC-DOS, there are also > some clones of the editor floating around as well. I still use this > editor regularly

Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > I've come to the conclusion [1] that terminfo and curses aren't > > needed any more. If you target VT100 (or Xterm or any other > > derivative) and directly write ANSI sequences, it'll just work. > > (a) That is not my experience. I did

Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis once stated: > > On occasion, I still use an editor that I wrote for CP/M and later > ported to DOS. 11KB and it has lots of features that are peculiar to my > preferences. I'd thought about porting it to Linux, but currently, it's > still in assembly

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

It was thus said that the Great Kyle Owen once stated: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > > > I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average. > > The puzzle is that cctalk is the ONLY list that does this. I subscribe to > >

Re: Telnet was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

It was thus said that the Great Christian Liendo once stated: > Agree. It's quite easy to telnet to a port to see if you get a response. > Do it a lot. The kids are using nc (netcat) these days. It supports both TCP and UDP. -spc

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

It was thus said that the Great allison once stated: > On 10/23/2016 09:15 PM, Mouse wrote: > >> My favorite formatter was my S100 crate with CP/M, [it's] impossible > >> to give a single user OS without background processing a virus. > > I disagree. I see nothing about "a single-user OS without

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

It was thus said that the Great et...@757.org once stated: > > Early Macs definitely had viruses, a few that I got from thrift stores > still have the viruses on them. I don't think there is any memory > protection at all. Software selection for MacOS was pretty crappy, and it > was hard to get

Re: 6502 code

It was thus said that the Great drlegendre . once stated: > @Sean > > I was wondering the same, but perhaps he needs physical hardware for some > specific purposes, like timing and so forth? The 6502 (as well as many of the other 8-bit CPUs of that era) are deterministic to the point where

Re: 6502 code

It was thus said that the Great dwight once stated: > Hi > > There has been so much PDP and other stuff lately I kind of feel out of place > asking about 6502 stuff. > > Anyway, I've mentioned on the 6502.org that QuickSort is not always the > fastest > sort. So I wrote a 6502 assembly sort

Re: Unknown 8085 opcodes

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin once stated: > >>jsr puts > >>fcc 'Hello, world!',13,0 > >>clra > or the classic: >JMP START1 >DATA2: DB . . . > DB . . . >START1: MOV DX, OFFSET DATA2 > Which was heavily used

Re: Unknown 8085 opcodes

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis once stated: > On 01/12/2017 07:35 AM, Mouse wrote: > > >> Does your disassembler do flow analysis? > > > > I doubt it, because none of the meanings I know for the term are > > anything my disassembler does. > > A disassembler that can do flow

Re: Cassette Interface Assistance

It was thus said that the Great Tony Duell via cctalk once stated: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:21 PM, allison via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > > The tape recorders used had no agc. They were simple portables and used the > > mic or line input and headphone output. > > I

Re: I hate the new mail system

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis via cctalk once stated: > On 02/28/2017 03:40 PM, Paul Berger wrote: > > Well I am using Thunderbird 45.7.1 and I see this "Chuck Guzis via > > cctalk " as "From" in your message. > > > > Hmmm, this is very puzzling. Your

Floating point routines for the 6809

Some time ago I came across the MC6839 ROM which contains floating point routines for the 6809. The documentation that came with it stated: Written for Motorola by Joel Boney, 1980 Released into the public domain by Motorola in 1988 Docs and apps for Tandy Color

The iAPX 432 and block languages (was Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?))

It was thus said that the Great Eric Smith via cctalk once stated: > > The Intel iAPX 432 was also designed to explicitly support block-structured > languages. The main language Intel pushed was Ada, but there was no > technical reason it couldn't have supported Algol, Pascal, Modula, Euclid, >

Re: The iAPX 432 and block languages (was Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?))

It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated: > Sean Conner via cctalk wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:39:57 -0400 > > What about C made it difficult for the 432 to run? > > > > -spc (Curious here, as some aspects of the 432 made

Re: C (was: The iAPX 432 and block languages)

It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated: > Sean Conner wrote two great posts on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:43:29 -0400 > > These are all very good points. I agree I was exagerating by saying the > iAPX432 and 8086 couldn't run C. After all, the langu

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated: > > From: Alfred M. Szmidt > > > No even the following program: > > int main (void) { return 0; } > > is guaranteed to work > > I'm missing something: why not? Yeah, I'm having a hard time with that too. I

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt once stated: >It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated: >> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt >> >> > No even the following program: >> > int main (void) { return 0; } >> > is guaranteed to

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk once stated: > >> From: Alfred M. Szmidt > >> No even the following program: >> int main (void) { return 0; } >> is guaranteed to work > >I'm missing something: why not? > > It boils down to

Re: I hate the new mail system

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote: > >What makes it so that other mailing lists don't unsubscribe people when > >bounces occur? > > This list displays (not "full headers"): > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42

Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > >>I'm considering doing something that actually > >>downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it > >>in sync periodically, but I haven't really > >>looked at what's necessary for that. > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Angel M Alganza

Re: Computing from 1976

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > On Sat, 30 Dec 2017, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > >I was perusing my old computer magazine collection the other day and > >came across an article entitled: “Fast-Growing new hobby, Real > >Computers you assemble

Re: Intel 8085 - interview?

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > > The industry was loaded with that the 6502 series also had that going on > as well as the 6809 and others. Do you have any information about undocumented opcodes for the 6809? -spc

Re: Writing emulators [Was: Re: VCF PNW 2018: Pictures!]

It was thus said that the Great Eric Christopherson via cctalk once stated: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:30 PM, dwight via cctalk > wrote: > > > In order to connect to the outside world, you need a way to queue event > > based on cycle counts, execution of particular

Re: modern stuff

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 10/24/2018 12:31 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > >It's true that the original 8086 instruction set lives on with all its > >warts, and many more added over the years. And yes, I guess that you > >*can* run them in 32 bit segmented

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

It was thus said that the Great Tomasz Rola via cctalk once stated: > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming > > What I was thinking back

Re: PET peve thing... Editors

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > The whole thing comes from a project for myself...  > I wanted a very basic screen based editor written in 8080/8085/z80 asm > and compact > (as in under 4K).  I figured first lets inquire of the Internet to see > if I need to and

Re: PET peve thing... Editors

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > The whole thing comes from a project for myself...  > I wanted a very basic screen based editor written in 8080/8085/z80 asm > and compact > (as in under 4K).  I figured first lets inquire of the Internet to see > if I need to and

Re: PET peve thing... Editors

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > On 12/12/2018 03:04 PM, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: > > It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > >> The whole thing comes from a project for myself...  > >> I wanted a ver

Re: Want/Available list

It was thus said that the Great Chris Hanson via cctalk once stated: > On Dec 20, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk > wrote: > > > > a forum with a bazaar should be more appropriate > > frankly this mail list looks like spam, and it's going irritating > > since it's difficult to follow

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk once stated: > > I see no reason that we can't have new control codes to convey new > > concepts if they are needed. > > I disagree with this; from a usability standpoint, control codes are > problematic. Either the user needs to

Re: Text encoding Babel.

It was thus said that the Great Guy Dunphy via cctalk once stated: > > Anyway, back on topic (classic computing.) Here's an ascii chart with some > control codes highlighted. > > http://everist.org/ASCII/ascii_reuse_legend.png > > I'm collecting all I can find on past (and present) uses of

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Bill Gunshannon via cctalk once stated: > > On 11/25/18 5:42 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 11/23/18 5:52 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: > >> Worse than that, it's *American* ignorance and cultural snobbery > >> which also affects various

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated: > On 11/27/2018 04:43 PM, Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk wrote: > > > >Unpopular opinion time: Markup languages are a kludge, relying on plain > >text to describe higher level concepts. > > I agree that markup languages are a

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk once stated: > I'm a bit dense for weighing in on this as my first post, but what the heck. > > Our problem isn't ASCII or Unicode, our problem is how we use computers. > > Going back in time a bit, the first keyboards only recorded

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > > >>I like the C comment example; Why do I need to call out a comment with > >>a special sequence of letters? Why can't a comment exist as a comment? > > Why not a language even more self-documenting than COBOL, wherein the main

IEFBR14 (was Re: IND$FILE)

It was thus said that the Great jim stephens via cctalk once stated: > > IFBR14 if you all are not familiar with MVS / MVT batch programming is a > program which immediately terminates w/o any return codes by doing an > assembly language return to the caller of the job step via the contents >

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 1/13/2019 2:06 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > >Being an old hard-of-seeing guy myself, I much prefer mixed-case to > >all-caps. All caps destroys the "shape" of words. > > Where is the $%!@ codepage for the ASR-33. Get all

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

It was thus said that the Great John Ball via cctalk once stated: > >ELTRAN THE COMPILER > >ANY DOCS? ANY ONE? USED IT? > >(NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)) > > > >ED# > > Hey ed, you might want to check your Caps Lock key there, bud. ;) My dad used to do that. At the time, I thought it was

Re: OT Parts houses & scrappers

It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated: > On 1/26/19 6:26 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > >Learning how to judge scrap value is the first thing to do. Do research > >and gain experience. > > That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

It was thus said that the Great Kevin Monceaux via cctalk once stated: > Grant, > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 07:36:11PM -0700, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > > If the 2513 you have is the one that was used for this, I'd love to see > > the config, if it's still on there. That would very

Re: DG One owners? I think I have something.

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis via cctalk once stated: > A kindly donor sent me an external numeric keypad from Data General. It > has the right keycaps and color for a DG One laptop. Model number > 2568. Connection is via a 3-terminal plug; basically a miniature > stereo

Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....

It was thus said that the Great Jay West via cctalk once stated: > No modern datacenter that I have seen still uses a raised floor *OTHER > THAN* about 3 inches for a ground plane. There is a reason for that... the > old idea of forced cooling under the floor and mixing power & data cables > there

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 4/28/2019 11:34 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > >>Maybe it would be possible to get a text only browser running? > > > >I think Gopher would be a better fit, personally. That's easy to write, > >parse and display. > > > That

Re: Converting C for KCC on TOPS20

It was thus said that the Great David Griffith via cctalk once stated: > > I'm trying to convert some C code[1] so it'll compile on TOPS20 with KCC. > KCC is mostly ANSI compliant, but it needs to use the TOPS20 linker, which > has a limit of six case-insentive characters. Adam Thornton wrote

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