[cctalk] Re: What's the going rate for 80286?

2024-09-18 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-09-18 12:29 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2024, John via cctalk wrote: Dunno, what does a box of Cracker Jack cost these days...? I checked; Amazon has Cracker Jack THREE boxes for $4.53 That's sold by a third party, but fulfilled by Amazon. I've been told that th

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

2024-09-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-09-11 2:18 p.m., Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 11:49 AM ben via cctalk wrote: Now even a TTL version. https://hackaday.io/project/190345-isetta-ttl-computer/log/232670progress-of-new-pcb That link is bad. It is not good. The link worked fine before the

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

2024-09-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-09-11 8:43 a.m., Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: 53 On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 11:03 PM Mark Linimon wrote: Next week there will be 50 of them o. Ebay for this price. (looks around the room) Make that 52. mcl But as the ratio of buyers is a complex number. It is often in the imagi

[cctalk] Re: MS-DOS

2024-09-07 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-17 1:46 a.m., Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 11:42:01PM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2024-08-16 12:11 p.m., Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: [...] From what I can tell of a casual peruse of the documentation of CP/M-68K and CP/M-86, they support the full

[cctalk] Re: Antonio's call for donations (was LCM auction)

2024-08-30 Thread ben via cctalk
>> By the way, the earth is round... > > I'm glad we can agree on this. Of course the Earth is round. > > It's also hollow.Oh it is a donut!> > To try and turn this thread around: I'm looking to make an extended > memory controller for my pdp8/L. I've got a wire wrap backplane and > enough cards t

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-30 12:00 p.m., Don Stalkowski via cctalk wrote: Fred Cisin wrote: We have our own non-theological religious wars, such as vi vs emacs. TECO Don Does anybody use that any more?

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-29 1:53 p.m., Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 29/08/2024 17:27, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: The solution is right in front of us.   One of us here has to become a multi-billionaire and create a museum to save all this stuff!  Let the fighting and bickering begin! Any idea

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-29 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-29 11:59 a.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Any ideas on how to become a billionaire? For a few decades, we have been saying that "We must do whatever it takes to make Bill Gates into a millionaire." it is called TAX!

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-29 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-29 10:27 a.m., Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: The solution is right in front of us.   One of us here has to become a multi-billionaire and create a museum to save all this stuff!  Let the fighting and bickering begin! Any ideas on how to become a billionaire? Doug Find a billio

[cctalk] Re: MS-DOS

2024-08-16 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-16 12:11 p.m., Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: CP/M was effectively limited to 64KiB because it had no traction outside of the 8080/Z80 which had a 64KiB address space. To go beyond that limit on those CPUs involves paging, and some platforms did indeed use paging for RAM disks and to

[cctalk] Re: A little off-topic but at least somewhat related: endianness

2024-08-16 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-16 8:56 a.m., Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 01:41:20PM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: [...] I don't know about the VAX,but my gripe is the x86 and the 68000 don't automaticaly promote smaller data types to larger ones. What little programming I hav

[cctalk] Re: A little off-topic but at least somewhat related: endianness

2024-08-15 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-15 7:46 p.m., Mike Katz wrote: That is the reason for the stdint.h file.  Where you specify the width of the variable in bits Looks like a useless file to me. I never liked any the standards made to C after K&R. Seems more driven by the latest crappy hardware intel makes, than a lang

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-15 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-15 7:52 p.m., cz via cctalk wrote: True, but back then things were designed to fixed and tested. Sure, and they can still be fixed, transistors are quite common. But after repairing a pair of pdp8/L's, and a pdp8/I I really have to say it's a bit of a serious job. And the 10 is lik

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-15 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-15 7:39 p.m., cz via cctalk wrote: Eh, it will go for what it goes. Try and keep in mind how tough it was to keep a 1010 running in 1995. Then add 30 years to that. The thought of tracking down a bad flip flop on a thousand flip chip boards really makes me think "yow". True, but b

[cctalk] Re: A little off-topic but at least somewhat related: endianness

2024-08-15 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-15 6:46 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: When I was teaching C, it was sometimes quite difficult to help students who had firm assumptions about things that you can'r assume.  Such as the sequence of operations in the multiple iterations examples that we both used.  I tried despera

[cctalk] Re: A little off-topic but at least somewhat related: endianness

2024-08-15 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-08-15 11:00 a.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: The short answer is "it's historic and manufacturers have done it in different ways". You might read the original paper on the topic, "On holy wars and a plea for peace" by Danny Cohen (IEN-137, 1 april 1980): https://www.rfc-editor.org

[cctalk] Re: MS-DOS

2024-07-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-30 2:55 p.m., CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: I don't think anaybody has reposted this one on this thread. Microsoft release Windows CE, which bombed Then Windows ME, another bomb Finally Window NT, a moderate success So they combined them but still can't get windows CEMENT to comple

[cctalk] Re: MS-DOS

2024-07-29 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-29 10:09 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2024, Rod Bartlett wrote: I found Tim Peterson's old blog a while back which contained some interesting tidbits about the history of DOS from the original author. http://dosmandrivel.blogspot.com/ I did find one unimportant

[cctalk] Re: Relay computers

2024-07-23 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-23 1:31 p.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jul 23, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Gavin Scott wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:11 AM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: It's interesting that the designers of ARRA spoke about what they did, and were quite honest about their mistakes. Quite re

[cctalk] Re: Relay computers

2024-07-23 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-23 12:09 p.m., Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:11 AM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: It's interesting that the designers of ARRA spoke about what they did, and were quite honest about their mistakes. Quite refreshing. Unfortunately that narrative is in Dutch

[cctalk] Re: WTB: Signetics 2519 .. (Apple I components)

2024-07-23 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-22 8:41 p.m., Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 9:05 PM Igor via cctalk wrote: Me and my buddy are building an Apple I replica, for now successfully. Recently we have tested the video signal :) However, we are having big problems (as you can imagine) with finding

[cctalk] Re: the 1968 how to build a working digital computer

2024-07-22 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-22 7:06 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Besides slide rules, etc. If you have an analog computer consisting of a 5 gallon bucket, and a 3 gallon bucket, and plenty of water available, What are the steps for a PROGRAM to get a result of 4 gallons of water in the 5 gallon bucket?

[cctalk] Re: the 1968 how to build a working digital computer

2024-07-21 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-21 6:43 p.m., Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: I would say digital a common relay has two states open or closed, when you energize the coil it draws in the armature which will open or close the relay's contacts. Konrad Zuse built his first digital computer using largely relay logic i

[cctalk] Re: the 1968 how to build a working digital computer

2024-07-21 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-21 8:29 a.m., Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I'm pretty sure the book included "Working" in the title because who wants to build a non-working computer? Also, mechanical analog computer = slide rule :) Sellam A working computer, is one that makes money? Ben.

[cctalk] Re: the 1968 how to build a working digital computer

2024-07-20 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-20 10:41 p.m., Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 3:08 AM Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: What I meant was that in the title of the book they use "digital computer" and I wonder if there was ever a book describing a mechanical "analog computer" - and what they might

[cctalk] Re: what to do with our "treasures"

2024-07-02 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-02 6:42 p.m., Ali via cctalk wrote: Totally opposite. GSP rates from the US to UK were crazy cheap. I sold a bunch of items. Compared to USPS rates they were 1/3 often. Again I am talking about getting stuff from the UK to the US. Generally speaking it seems like shipping from th

[cctalk] Re: what to do with our "treasures"

2024-07-02 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-02 1:05 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: Chinese to UK shipments are still relatively cheap but have also risen somewhat with more sellers charging for postage. eBay Chinese shipping seems impossibly low. Keep it that way, I ne

[cctalk] Re: what to do with our "treasures"

2024-07-01 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-01 6:31 p.m., Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: I've had the same experience with folks in Australia & NZ, accumulating stuff in the US until there's enough to ship it down under. I suspect today still shipping is better than it was in the 70's. It is just nobody wants to box and crate the

[cctalk] Re: what to do with our "treasures"

2024-07-01 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-01 6:04 p.m., Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: Hey, I sent you a motherboard from Toronto all the way to the South Pole, remember? Well, OK, via San Francisco, but It wasn't too bad then. Hey there must be lots of vintage stuff at the south pole nobody ships stuff back. :)

[cctalk] Re: what to do with our "treasures"

2024-07-01 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-07-01 3:06 p.m., Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 7:58 AM Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: ... vendors mostly refuse to ship internationally and buyers won't look at stuff that's abroad. If you aren't used to customs declaration forms, it can be a pain. Back in the 80

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-27 9:22 a.m., Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: The idea of leaving these items behind and thinking our loved ones will see any value from selling is ludicrous, though, and I question the sanity of those who seriously believe this. While I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, I do no

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-13 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-13 4:30 p.m., Dave Dunfield via cctalk wrote: I think the 86 came at a good time/place because the 8080 series had become quite popular in microcomputers and designers were feeling the limits of a 8-bit architecture - the 86 provided a fairly powerful (for the time) and easy upgrade

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-13 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-13 12:06 p.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jun 13, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/13/24 10:32, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Huh? There is no direct connection between word length, register count, and pipeline length. Indeed. There are architecture

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-13 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-13 11:32 a.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: e up an entire chassis, 750-ish logic modules. You never see a gate level delays on a spec sheet. Our pipeline is X delays + N delays for a latch. Gate level delays are not interesting for the machine user to know. What is interesting

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-13 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-13 9:40 a.m., Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: AACK!  Sorry, that was supposed to be F-16! The divide bug strikes again. Jon What would one use today instead of the 586? Ben.

[cctalk] Re: teletype roll as an RF termination load

2024-06-12 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-12 8:17 p.m., Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > I wouldn't think it would work much better than a light bulb, though. Load it up with a wide range tuner, and you could probably make contacts across three states, though, just like the light bulb. :) De Wow the worlds cheapest RTTY s

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-10 10:05 a.m., Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: On 10/06/2024 00:28, ben via cctalk wrote: The CPU Price it keeps going UP ... :( 8008 $25 1975 8080 $75 MITS kit 1975 8088 $125 386  $130 (286 $20) Hardly, you can pick up a new CPU today for less than $50. It's not going

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-10 10:18 a.m., Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: On 10/06/2024 05:54, dwight via cctalk wrote: No one is mentioning multiple processors on a single die and cache that is bigger than most systems of that times complete RAM. Clock speed was dealt with clever register reassignment, pipelinin

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-09 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-09 11:01 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/9/24 08:40, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: Intel introduced to the world the x86 processor: the CISC technology still with us. So what has changed other than speed and upward development? The Internet? Really, it's always been

[cctalk] Re: Intel 8086 - 46 yrs. ago

2024-06-09 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-06-09 10:59 a.m., Milo Velimirović via cctalk wrote: Word length. :) On Jun 9, 2024, at 10:40 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: Intel introduced to the world the x86 processor: the CISC technology still with us. So what has changed other than speed and upward development? Happ

[cctalk] Re: terminology [was: First Personal Computer]

2024-05-28 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-28 5:45 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 5/28/24 16:29, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2024-05-28 1:23 p.m., John via cctalk wrote: So what, then, consitutes a Real Operating System, and why? I am grumpy about OS's like MSDOS, in that programs kept by passing DOS to handle s

[cctalk] Re: terminology [was: First Personal Computer]

2024-05-28 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-28 1:23 p.m., John via cctalk wrote: So what, then, consitutes a Real Operating System, and why? I am grumpy about OS's like MSDOS, in that programs kept by passing DOS to handle screen, and serial IO. I also favor OS's that don't require one to build a file control block.

[cctalk] Re: First Personal Computer

2024-05-28 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-28 10:58 a.m., Tony Duell wrote: On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 5:56 PM ben via cctalk wrote: --First Appartment I lived in had gas refrigerator/stove AND still had some fixtures for gas lighting. washer/dryer/furnace/hot water were all shared in basement, real screw in fuses (not

[cctalk] Re: Pragmatically [was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)]

2024-05-28 Thread ben via cctalk
Same concept as, if one guy living in a formerly industrial loft has water cooling, and 300 amp 3 phase power available, that does NOT make any computer requiring that "personal". For that I'd say must be able to plug into 50% of all homes, but realize more quibbling might apply there, suc

[cctalk] Re: First Personal Computer

2024-05-28 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-28 8:43 a.m., CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: so if ONE person maybe living in a loft formerly industrial space has water cooling, and 200 amp 3 phase in their house, that automatically makes EVERY computer using that power personal computer eligible? --First Appartment I lived in had

[cctalk] Re: First Personal Computer

2024-05-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-27 6:23 a.m., Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2024, Chuck Guzis wrote: Offhand, if I were King of the World, I'd immediately eliminate from competition those computers that cannot be run from a US 120 volt 15 amp wall receptacle.   The rationale being that anything th

[cctalk] Re: terminology [was: First Personal Computer]

2024-05-26 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-26 2:01 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 5/26/24 11:11, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2024-05-26 10:56 a.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I did use a CP/M machine once, but the 8" drive was a bit sticky. You rap the drive to get it unstuck, but if you rap it too hard the ma

[cctalk] Re: terminology [was: First Personal Computer]

2024-05-26 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-26 10:56 a.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2024, ben via cctalk wrote: I think the most important thing for a Personal Computer, is the average Joe, can afford and use it. The second thing is to have ample memory and IO to run useful programs. The  basic Apple I,II

[cctalk] Re: First Personal Computer

2024-05-25 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-25 3:57 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 5/25/24 13:41, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: . . . or 100V or 220V in locations where those are the standard for household residential wiring. Woulld not want to automatically exclude U

[cctalk] Re: terminology [was: First Personal Computer]

2024-05-25 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-25 5:42 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: I'm sorry but I beg to differ with you here.  The DEC PDP line of single user interactive computers (as opposed to batch processing only systems) started in the late 1950's and early 1960's and spawned many generations as well as copies and

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-20 12:16 p.m., Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: On 05/20/2024 1:02 PM CDT Wayne S via cctalk wrote: In the vt100, setup menu “B” had an interlace on or off setting. I just looked it up. That is almost certainly setting what type of signal is generated. Like a TV of the same era,

[cctalk] Re: Thirties techies and computing history

2024-05-19 Thread ben via cctalk
Don't get your mind get old. It’s a choice. My mind is fine, it the eyes that are going. Screens are getting bigger and text is getting smaller. I must be dreaming that.

[cctalk] Re: Thirties techies and computing history

2024-05-19 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-19 9:14 a.m., Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote: A friend of a friend had a birthday gathering. Everyone there was in their thirties, except for myself, my wife, and our friend. Anyway, I met a Google engineer, a Microsoft data scientist, an Amazon AWS recruiter (I think she was a recr

[cctalk] Re: DOS p-System Pascal: (Was: Saga of CP/M)

2024-05-10 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-10 1:01 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: There have been some minor skirmishes in the MCU world over what language should be used when programming. EASY! OCTAL! If it worked on the 8 it is good enough for me. C/C++ is very much top dog, probably because the development suites a

[cctalk] Re: DOS p-System Pascal: (Was: Saga of CP/M)

2024-05-09 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-09 1:23 p.m., John via cctalk wrote: Pascal never really made it on the microcomputer platform did it? I can be convinced otherwise but it seems like microcomputing Pascal was more of a staging environment for then upload into a production mainframe/mini Pascal was the language of

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-07 9:53 p.m., Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: Anyway, some of their engineers were setting up for an exhibition/demonstration when they realised they'd forgotten to bring any speaker cable. No problem, one of them goes to the local 'DIY Shed' (large hardware store) and buys some normal m

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-07 5:51 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 5/7/24 15:21, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: How difficult is it to measure and compare "With/Without" signals? If you peruse the old Bob Pease articles on "Electronic Design" magazine, I believe more than once, he alluded to a proposed

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-02 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-02 4:55 a.m., Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 00:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had APL, instead of BASIC? To be perfectly honest I think the home computer boom wouldn't have happened, and

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-02 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-01 11:26 p.m., Ali via cctalk wrote: Don't forget to bring a towel. Sellam The fact that we all probably got that reference is the amazing part. -Ali What no white mouse trap!

[cctalk] Re: PCs in home vs businesses (70s/80s)

2024-04-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-27 2:29 p.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Apr 27, 2024, at 1:15 PM, Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote: I came across this paragraph from the July 1981 Popular Science magazine edition in the article titled “Compute power - pro models at almost home-unit prices.” “ ‘Personal-c

[cctalk] Re: OFF TOPIC: Doctor Who

2024-04-24 Thread ben via cctalk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJeu3LCo-6A Dr who ads for prime.

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-24 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-24 2:55 p.m., Gordon Henderson via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, David Brownlee via cctalk wrote: If we're talking about machines with a Z80 and 6502, it would be remiss not to link back to the machine mentioned in the original message - the BBC micro, with its onboard 6502 and

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-23 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-23 8:40 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/23/24 17:18, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 4/23/2024 8:06 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Did the Dimension 68000 (a multi-processor machine) have Z80 and 6502? Couldn't Bill Godbout's CPU-68K board co-exist with other CPU

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-22 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-22 1:02 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I'd like to see a Z80 implemented with UV-201 vacuum tubes... :) --Chuck Real computers use glow tubes like the NE-2 or the NE-77.:)

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-22 Thread ben via cctalk
>One other factor is that RISC machines rely on simple operations >carefully arranged by optimizing compilers (or, in some cases, >skillful programmers). A multi-step operation can be encoded in a >sequence of RISC operations run through an optimizing scheduler more >effectively than the eq

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-21 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-21 5:26 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/21/24 12:11, ben via cctalk wrote: I keep finding I still need 74XX just for having 10 TTL loads, and 74LSXX just does not have the power. Ever try BiCMOS chips? IIRC, the 74ABTxxx will drive loads of up to 60 ma, far in excess of

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-21 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-21 3:27 p.m., Jerry Weiss wrote: While intention might have been to last XX years, I am becoming increasingly pessimistic about longevity of most electronic devices.  A crystal radio with an open air capacitor seems like the only good bet. Between electrolytic capacitor aging challe

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-21 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-21 8:45 a.m., Mike Katz wrote: As for the RP2040 being cheap crap, I beg to differ with you.  It is a solid chip, produced in 10s of millions at least.  And, I would bet, a better quality chip than your Z-80, if due only to improved IC manufacturing technologies. The pi looks like

[cctalk] Re: PDP8 @ 50

2024-04-20 Thread ben via cctalk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXTQvlkYJvI&t=4s

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-20 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-20 8:33 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: For anything more sophisticated than your coffee pot the RP2040 from Raspberry Pie is a fantastic little chip, dual core 133 MHz Cortex M0+ with 8 PIO engines, 264K of RAM, ADC, UART, SPI, I2C all for under a dollar.  I designed a fully funct

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-20 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-20 12:20 p.m., Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 4/20/2024 1:16 PM, Wayne S wrote: Who still uses the Z80 line for new projects? Wouldn’t it be easier and cheaper to just use an Arduino or Raspberry Pi? Given the list you're posting on... :-) Jim True, but the Z80 is 5 volt logic. St

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-19 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-19 8:07 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Gee!  Have sales gone down? One more reason to use the 8080 subset when writing CP/M programs. There still are RADIO SHACK 8080A's still on ebay, with @RARE@ prices. NO thank you, z80's are the way to go. Aren't there already some license

[cctalk] Re: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?

2024-04-16 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-16 10:34 a.m., Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 2024-04-16 at 12:38 +0100, Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: 901B is the first pocket calculator I remember - I don't know if there were earlier ones. The first one I remember is the HP Digital Slide Rule, about 1965. Six digits. $60

[cctalk] Other input devices.

2024-04-12 Thread ben via cctalk
Did any one ever use a keyboard to magtape as input device?

[cctalk] Re: Odd IBM mass storage systems

2024-04-12 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-12 7:23 p.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Apr 12, 2024, at 5:54 PM, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: ... my favorite terminal 3190 that was neon gas, so monochrome, but could take 5 addresses, and flip between 62 lines of 160 characters (always there), to 4 terminals of 62x80

[cctalk] Re: IBM 360

2024-04-09 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-09 8:53 p.m., Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: I had not realized the IBM 360 was 60 yrs. old this month. I worked on such a computer in the late 60s in Toronto. What one could do with 8 Kbytes of ram was remarkable! Happy computing Murray 🙂 Real time sharing, not a 16K PDP 8?

[cctalk] Re: Borland Turbo C++ and Turbo Basic - Books and Manuals

2024-04-07 Thread ben via cctalk
cure email. On Sunday, April 7th, 2024 at 4:14 PM, Harald Arnesen via cctalk wrote: ben via cctalk [07/04/2024 20.05]: I don't think bottles would be ship able. Now a keg of beer might be. Or a least the old oak kegs you read in stories. No problem to ship beer bottles, just pack them

[cctalk] Re: Borland Turbo C++ and Turbo Basic - Books and Manuals

2024-04-07 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-07 5:57 a.m., Christian Groessler via cctalk wrote: On 4/6/24 5:37 PM, Mike Norris via cctalk wrote: Additional I would like £5 beer money for this one please! Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C - Margie Sherlock/Leonard Szubowicz I'd take it. I can send you beer money, o

[cctalk] Re: oscilloscopes

2024-04-07 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-04-06 9:40 a.m., Phil Budne via cctalk wrote: Paul Koning wrote: Yes, and some emulations have done this, such as Phil Budne's famous work in SIMH. Famous?? I'm famous???!!! To be fair, I started with Douglas W. Jones' PDP8 Emulator. Which reminds me of: If I have seen farth

[cctalk] Re: typical IC kits on Amazon and elsewhere

2024-03-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-03-30 9:49 p.m., Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: Sorry I mistyped. I meant Mouser and Digikey, not Amazon and Digikey. Well the searches suck on both. Digikey is bad for having 0 stock listings. Digikey is turning out to be more the Radio Shack for parts.

[cctalk] Re: typical IC kits on Amazon and elsewhere

2024-03-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-03-30 8:53 p.m., Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: You can also buy parts direct from TI, for example they currently show around around 3000 SN74LS04N parts in stock. https://www.ti.com/product/SN74LS04/part-details/SN74LS04N The prices for that part match the current Mouser prices of $0.6

[cctalk] Re: typical IC kits on Amazon and elsewhere

2024-03-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-03-30 8:23 p.m., Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: Been lurking for a while, but this topic hits true with some recent experiences. I would not hesitate to buy most common digital ICs on Amazon or ebay I mean we had to stop buying 7400 series from Jameco over counterfeits, so it's def

[cctalk] Re: typical IC kits on Amazon and elsewhere

2024-03-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-03-30 6:10 p.m., Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: Standard TTL 74XXX is drying up rather quickly. Futurlec still has some TTL but 7404s are all gone. Even LS is hard to find. Ours comes from Mouser, between two part #s they have over 7,000 74LS04s in DIP packaging in stock. Didn't ch

[cctalk] Re: typical IC kits on Amazon and elsewhere

2024-03-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-03-30 4:27 p.m., Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: I'm not clear on whether you mean some specific chips or in general, but here is my experience. For things that are in current production or recently discontinued, I have had extremely good luck with Chinese suppliers either from Amazon or

[cctalk] Re: Amoeba OS

2024-03-28 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-03-28 5:50 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: OTOH, spammer mailing lists, and leaked personal and trade secrets seem to last forever. You forgot Mickey Mouse. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

[cctalk] Re: recreating old computers [was: Paper tape in casettes...]

2024-02-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-02-27 3:09 p.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Feb 27, 2024, at 4:49 PM, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Religion warning: I was a mainframer. Since at any practical budget, they can only be emulated, Dumpster diving is a 0 dollar budget. People could afford the APPLE II, 80

[cctalk] Re: Paper tape in casettes...

2024-02-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-02-27 1:13 p.m., Doug McIntyre via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 11:10:34AM -0700, ben via cctalk wrote: PS: With low cost Chinese PCB's and vintage parts, why are people not building real hardware replica's of interesting machines. But they are.. I can't tell

[cctalk] Re: Paper tape in casettes...

2024-02-27 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-02-27 9:20 a.m., CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: It's not a cassette, but the PB-440 (Pitney-Bowes), renamed Raytheon 440 and its upgrade the raytheon 520 had a large reel paper tape with a bidirectional read and an "operating system" Load the os, say we want to run fortran, spin down to

[cctalk] Re: HAPPY DEC-20 DAY!

2023-12-20 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-12-20 11:16 a.m., Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: I wish you all a joyous Winter Solstice Festival, however you may choose to celebrate it. I like the day after, the days get longer again. Rich Ben, in the dark.

[cctalk] Re: HAPPY DEC-20 DAY!

2023-12-20 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-12-20 11:16 a.m., Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: Happy DEC-20 Day! My late friend Mark always noted that TOPS-20 (and the DECSYSTEM-20 on which it runs) was a great improvement on its successors. I wish you all a joyous Winter Solstice Festival, however y

[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)

2023-11-22 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-11-22 6:53 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 11/22/23 16:47, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Yup. I have vivid memories of the Intel rep telling us that not only was the 8086 compatible with the 8085, conversion could be automated through their ISIS-II based conversion program--and

[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004

2023-11-20 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-11-20 5:36 p.m., Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: On Nov. 15, 1971 Intel commercially released the 4004 microprocessor which some consider to be the first. Nonetheless, even if not in agreement, it made possible the instrument which drives the classic-computing industry or at the very

[cctalk] Re: Installing DEC C on RSTS/E

2023-11-08 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-11-07 7:05 p.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Nov 7, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Paul Koning wrote: Hi... I'm seriously rusty on official RSTS installation procedures. I'm trying to install DEC C using the C_V1_2.tap file from the bitsavers bits/DEC/pdp11/rsts directory. It's actually

[cctalk] Re: The World Wide Web

2023-10-02 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-10-02 4:36 p.m., Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote: Mike wrote: ... Gawd, I still remember those numbers, some 60 years later; so why can't I remember my thirty-year old cell phone number... Because you rarely, if ever, call it. ;-) I never could figure out how to call myself, so I have

[cctalk] Re: The World Wide Web

2023-10-02 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-10-02 1:15 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote: The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is latency. I need to move 1 PB . how long will it take filling and packing enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to sen

[cctalk] Re: Good C to FPGA/PLA compiler

2023-09-23 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-09-23 12:36 p.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Sep 22, 2023, at 9:30 PM, Martin Bishop wrote: Paul I endorse your point regarding Lattice's gouging. Support for anything prior to the XO parts now costs a significant premium. Their XO2 parts are the most useful to this commu

[cctalk] Re: Good C to FPGA/PLA compiler

2023-09-22 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-09-22 3:16 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Martin, The debug board will need to have the following functionality: 1. Read and write to/from memory when the CPU is running using one    cycle data break (DEC's version of DMA for the PDP-8). Single Cycle    DMA requires some interestin

[cctalk] Re: Good C to FPGA/PLA compiler

2023-09-22 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-09-22 12:34 p.m., emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: On 2023-09-22 12:04, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: I'm working on the design for an Omnibus (PDP-8/E) debug board and I am not very good at circuit design.  I know there are programs that will compile something that looks like C into Ve

[cctalk] Re: Good C to FPGA/PLA compiler

2023-09-22 Thread ben via cctalk
FPGA's tend to be ALL 3.3 volts or less today. Cmos 22v10's are nice chips to program that is still working at 5 volts. FPGA's also have high learning curve to catch the bugs and gotya's. I got tl866 ii + programer and it works great under windows, with wincupl.

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-09-11 10:43 a.m., Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Sep 10, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: I make an official motion that Fred write his own "Everything I Know About Floppy Disks" page / book /encyclopedia. I suspect

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