> Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage
> is the standard.
>
I think Bill is just being a decent guy and saying that it would cost more
to ship it out then the item would cost/be bought for (i.e. $20 for item,
$50 to ship) and how that wouldn't be nice or make
>I was able to make it, and the weather turned out very fair.
>
>Here is my summary review of the two days.Sorry about the ticket issue - I
>was able to get an online ticket the day >before the event without issue.
Steve,
Thanks for the excellent write up and the great pictures. It looks
So did anyone go? How was it? I never heard back from the organizers
regarding the ticketing situation despite my, and Sellam's, best efforts so
I skipped it. Hopefully, the event went better then the organization and the
next one will have the bugs ironed out.
-Ali
> > One last question:
> >
> > Do kids get in free? If so what is the age cutoff? It looks like
> > tickets are needed for everyone but figure I would check just in
> case.
> >
>
> Never mind... Important to read all the WAY to the END. LOL. Kids 12
> and under are free!
Anybody successfully
> One last question:
>
> Do kids get in free? If so what is the age cutoff? It looks like
> tickets are needed for everyone but figure I would check just in case.
>
Never mind... Important to read all the WAY to the END. LOL. Kids 12 and under
are free!
-Ali
One last question:
Do kids get in free? If so what is the age cutoff? It looks like tickets are
needed for everyone but figure I would check just in case.
-Ali
>
> This VCF SoCal announcement just came into my mailbox this morning so
> I'm
> passing it along.
>
Great! Thanks for the info!
-Ali
> I am certainly with you on that, Marvin. I have exhibited at 8 or 9
> VCFs (my first was VCF 3) and was on the mailing list as recently as
> August 2023 (but apparently no more) and only happened to see the event
> being discussed in this forum. Thanks to Wayne Sudol for posting the
>
That would be very interesting. I always thought Apricot made some beasts and
remeber the cover of Byte for the first 486 system being an Apricot VX. I would
love to see that machine in person.
Original message From: Christopher Satterfield via cctalk
Date: 1/31/24 6:23 AM
First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
Original message From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Date: 1/25/24 11:45 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: Sellam
Abraham Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll be attending
Does archive.org have an up to date mirror? -Ali
> In the 1990s, I started writing about floppy disks, how FM/MFM worked,
> IBM/WD
> track and sector structure, directory structures, DOS Utilities, disk
> repair,
> etc.
> But, got bogged down with too much to do, such as closing my office,
> etc., . .
> .
Now this would be an interesting book
> I'm a little surprised noone mentioned Google sheets or something
> that's cloud native? Probably only accessible from newer systems though
> but I've debated it since it would be instantly accessible from phone
> also.
Sheets is a spreadsheet program, right? Spreadsheets, while nice for
> That may be the rub. The installation and update process is... well,
> let's just say it
> gives me fits and I spent a non-trivial amount of time working out the
> procedure. Suffice
> it to say that I think quite poorly indeed of composer and yarn, and
> really don't think
> that there needs
> I can think of a couple of options that might be what you're looking
> for. The first is
> Part-DB-server (https://github.com/Part-DB/Part-DB-server). It was
> originally meant for
> managing inventories of parts but I've found that it's also good for
> managing my inventory
> of retrotech.
Well there is his obituary. plus news articles
Original message From: steve shumaker via cctalk
Date: 7/19/23 7:56 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: steve shumaker Subject: [cctalk]
Re: Death of Mitnick what's your source for this?On 7/19/23 7:35 PM,
> I'm watching a video talking about Protoweb and one of the ftp sites
> that they are talking about is ftp.compaq.com.
>
> The video in question is:
>
> Link - Protoweb - Reviving the '90s Internet! (Overview & Demo)
> - https://youtu.be/1FSd-XhGLqk
>
> I'm interested in checking out
>compaq-system-config-us-proliant-3000-333.disk1.gz
> compaq-system-config-us-proliant-3000-333.disk2.gz
> compaq-system-config-us-proliant-3000-333.disk3.gz
> compaq-system-config-us-proliant-3000-333.disk4.gz
> In my collection that I think I used to configure a Proliant 3000 with EISA
> bus.
Really long shot, and I have asked here before without much luck, but anyone
have a copy of the Compaq System Manager Facility 1.10 or 1.11 (or any
version for that matter). This would have been released in 1994/95 time
frame and is necessary for the use of the Compaq Server Manager/R EISA
board.
> I am surprised the original Compaq diagnostics for 5 1/4"- native
> systems
> and early DOS and even OS/2 are not someplace
Bill,
I think those are out there. I believe the last version for DOS was 8.x and
that is in the first 500 Softpaqs. I can find the exact number for you if you
are
> I can't help with the mirror, but maybe I can help with the old
> spinning
> plastic that I have related to ProLiants and / or StorageWorks stuff.
>
> Please clarify what you're looking for and I'll see if anything I have
> is germane.
Hi Grant,
I am currently looking for the following:
> I just found this the other day, but I see the update date in in 2014
> so it may not be of use.
>
> http://ftp.zx.net.nz/cgi-bin/archive-mirror
John,
Thanks. Actually I have been talking to David (the maintainer/owner of that
mirror) and he doesn't have those files either.
>
> There is
Hello All,
I am wondering if anyone has a private or knows of a mirror for
ftp.compaq.com that is older than 2014? All the ones I have found online,
including the file at archive.org, are from 2014. By then a number of files
and directories had been purged e.g. "/pub/supportinformation/techpubs"
> I doubt this will go thru either but other attempts to send to the list
> are
>
> now getting rejected as SPAM. Doesn't the list check addresses to see
> if
>
> the poster is a member?
In short: no. The spam filters on the list are antiquated at best
> VCF SW was this past weekend near Dallas, Texas.
>
> Here are some highlights from my perspective.
>
> https://voidstar.blog/vcf-southwest-2023/
>
Man there is always cooler stuff at the other VCFs the n VCFW. Just looking at
those pictures the Compaq 468 Portable is nice and the NEC
>that there were ways to write programs that _would_ fit in
> 640K and you should be doing that.
That sentiment is an entirely different statement and meaning from the quote
which is attributed to him.
I won't comment on Dave's videos because I don't have enough "insider"
knowledge to say how
> Based on other videos of Dave's that I've watched he doesn't really
> know
> what he's talking about so I wouldn't lend much credence to his
> apocrypha
> either.
>
Well, I am willing to believe him given the PC World article that I also linked
to in my original message And snopes.com
So I had always heard the quote "640KB is enough memory" being attributed to
Bill Gates. However, recently I was watching Dave Plummer on YT and he said
that it is not true:
https://youtu.be/bikbJPI-7Kg?t=372
And apparently the man himself has denied it as well but it just will not go
away...
> If/when I dig it out, how much should I ask for it? (Berkeley
> California)
The 5150 or the ROM? :) I don't know about either but prices have been
getting ludicrous lately. I would be interested in playing around with the
ROM so if you ever dig it up and dump the contents. Or I can
> The 5150, as released in August 1981, had SIX ROM sockets. It had one
> 8K
> ROM for the BIOS, four 8K ROMs totaling 32K for BASIC, and one empty
> socket, which usually stayed empty. A company calling itself MBI sold
> an
> accessory ROM for that socket thatr added some trivial features.
>
I
>AH! NUTS! :)>Runs and ducks...That's actually pretty funny and much milder
>then what I was screaming...-Ali
> I heard that Duracell now has a "bitterant" coating on its 2032
> batteries;
> so that you will spit it out.
Fred,
That's been there for a while. It is aimed at babies swallowing coin
batteries of all sorts. Mine was pure stupidity. I had spent the whole
weekend working on and rebuilding the
> No kidding. That 64GB fingernail can easily hide in clothing
Or make it easily edible... Say if you were munching on some nuts while
waiting... Ask me how I know *sigh*
-Ali
>
> Far more than you wanted to go through:
>
Fred,
Not at all. As always lots of wisdom condensed into a short post. This one
is going into my "Posts to Save" folder!
> "2.8M" has an unformatted capacity of 4M
> The disk that you linked a picture of says "406TPI"!
> Therefore, it presumably
Chuck,
> Oh, you mean the Japanese TD disks. As far as I know only one machine
> was produced that used them, the NEC PC 88-VA3:
>
> https://necretro.org/PC-88_VA3
Yep, that the one.
>
> It was an expensive market flop. You might try to hunt down a drive if
> you're a collector, but as far
>
> https://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/dr000/auc0
> 312/users/4f92de2852282d0c4055f15836cd43f760275f36/i-img1200x675-
> 1672137143s8ehmb271085.jpg
>
Looking at this picture it indicates the disk is 406TPI which is significantly
higher than the 96TPI used with 1.2MB HD
> Sure; consider the very common Samsung SFD-321B, particularly page 5:
>
> Another type of "tri-Density" drive is the fairly common Teac FD-235J,
> which can do 720K, 1.44M and 2.88M. I've got a couple installed in
> older systems.
Chuck,
I don't know if we are talking about
> Most likely, the 3-mode drive. 8x1024 sectors on each track, giving a
> capacity of about 1.23MB. Many PCs of the era could also handle the
> drives, which would change spindle speed from 300 to 360 RPM. 3 mode
> drives were manufactured right up until the end, but usually were
> configured
> My floptical drive (20MB SCSI) could also handle 1.4M
Yes, those could only write 20MB max though. Still pretty cool for the time.
>
> My 2.8M drive (Micro-Solutions "Backpack" parallel port) could also
> handle 1.4M
The BackPack drives are nice for quick testing or adding a temporary drive.
> I never had problems with zip disks myself, but never dove into the
> floppy
> things since the price seemed prohibitive.
I can't say either technology has been bad to me. I have found IDE and SCSI zip
drives excellent for exchanging large amount of data between vintage and modern
system. The
>It’s a 1.2 MB format (360 RPM) as used in the>Japanese market.Ahh so it is a
>triple mode drive not a triple density drive. Thanks!
enthusiasts can shed some light?
-Ali
> -Original Message-
> From: Ali via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 11:11 PM
> To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> Cc: Ali
> Subject: [cctalk] LS120, LS240, Floptical Dri
In the golden age of the floppy before its downfall caused by CD-R, CD-RW
and flash USB a number of new technologies were introduced to allow for
cheap removable storage (Yes MO drives existed but they were expensive).
Many of the tech were a great step forward. For example the LS-240 drives
from
Hi Jared,
Please send the invoice for $19.50 to afah...@alumni.usc.edu. I believe once
payment is made you should get all the address info. Thanks!
-Ali
> -Original Message-
> From: Parts via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 1:28 PM
> To:
> anybody remember the numbers for 8"?
This is the official KB from MS on the topic:
Standard Floppy Disk Formats Supported by MS-DOS
===
Article ID: 75131 - View products that this article applies to.
This article was
> For ordinary CD's I've always used MAM-A Gold. Started buying when it
> was a Mitsui brand and haven't had a single failure.
Chuck,
Which brand is MAM-A?
-Ali
> However, it may well be that writing is the only way to refresh cells,
> as reading won't, if I understand flash operation correctly. But
> rewriting a sector or block of a file doesn't usually write back to the
> original, because of the write-leveling firmware in the drive.
Chuck,
But does
> If you just need READ, and not WRITE, howzbout COPY *.* NUL
> actually
> XCOPY *.* NUL /S/E
> to include subdirectories
But would a red suffice to refresh or do you need to also write?
Also, this solution, and Chuck's, while workable for reads would leave you
with a blank screen for a long
>It depends on the drive's firmware. Some do background scans of blocks while
>idle. Others do not. Since you >have no way of knowing which is which (or even
>when the backgroundscan is done), the safest way to force a >scan is to read
>the whole drive... any blocks whose raw error count is
> I thought Flash could only hold the data in them X amount of years
> until
> the junctions discharge or whatever? It's less permanent than decent
> quality optical or pro magnetic media?
>
> You have to plug them in every so often to refresh I believe.
Does REFRESHING mean reread and rewrite
> (~$300), monitor (CGA had compoosite output, so could connect to cheap
> CCTV, etc. monitors, and CGA even had a dedicated 4 pin Berg for the
> SupRMod RF adapter), and maybe serial, and/or parallel.
Fred,
This is the first time I am hearing about this. I always thought the connector
was for
>
> From NYT website:
>
> You’ve reached your limit of free articles.
>
> Purchase a subscription yadda-yadda
>
> THET! :)
>
> Don Resor
https://sf.funcheap.com/city-guide/ny-times-free/
Problem solved and completely legal...
-Ali
> > Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch
> > codes
> > on? :-)
> >
> >
> > bill
> >
>
> I believe the Pentagon finally upgraded last year and got rid of the 8"
> floppy drives. There used to be one manufacturer that continued to make
> and supply them to the
> Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch
> codes
> on? :-)
>
>
> bill
>
I believe the Pentagon finally upgraded last year and got rid of the 8" floppy
drives. There used to be one manufacturer that continued to make and supply
them to the government from back
> Bring back the light pen!
Have you tried dragging and dropping in Excel with a light pen? OMG, never
again ;)
-Ali
> I'm glad I'm not the only one having rejections. I noticed a resend
> tends to get it onto the list, which seems like a bogus filter (He's a
> spammer, DENY!... Um, he sent it again, I guess not, let it
> through...:-)
>
Jim,
My understanding on this is that the filter is based on IP address
> I find touch pads
> superior, make that way superior to that horrific track point used on
> old Thinkpads.
I am the exact opposite. I love my track point. Hate touch pads. They take up
too much real estate, are consistently being touched inappropriately (see what
I did there... lol), and are
> Since the switchover I am getting more and more of my messages
> rejected as suspected SPAM. Anyone else seeing this?
>
> bill
Same here bill. I contacted the new list owner and the response was pretty much
tough cookies
-Ali
p.s. It would be interesting to see if this one makes it
> The funny thing is that James and I were talking about doing some PCBs
> and kits for the things, then decided that it would appeal to too few
> people. I still have the prototype, done in wire-wrap.
Chuck,
It may be a good time to dust off the old design and bring it out! ;)
-Ali
> I don't know. I always thought it was kind of a nice idea. Doctors fer
> instance are so stupid these days. They need all the help they can get.
In what way are they so stupid?
-Ali
> Not to humble brag, but what do I have here? I probably got
> them for free at a trade show.
Two idiots? I mean if I bought one poster for $95 and the same seller had a
second one I would offer $95 for it again. Why would you offer $300 and then
up it to $500?
-Ali
> I buy shield bags from Digi-Key, but not the zip-lock style. I think
> Uline has them.
Not in this size. Most PCIe cards tend to be smaller in length and can be
significantly thicker (think video cards) so the bags that would have fit ISA
full length cards are no longer needed/manufactured.
>
> I don't recall 6 x 14 bags, especially with zip lock tops, when I was
> recently looking for a recent need.
>
> Are you wanting to put full sized PC expansion cards in bags?
Hi Grant,
Yes. Looking for a catch all bag for cards from half to full size ISA/EISA/MCA
cards. I did find 6x14
Hello,
Does anyone have a REASONABLY priced source for 6" x 14" anti-static bags
with zip lock tops? I've looked on eBay and Amazon with no luck. I have also
looked online and have only found heat sealable bags. I am not sure if it is
the sizing which the issue or what as other size bags seems to
> Florida seems to be particularly creative, too: pay your contractor,
> contractor doesn't pay their supplier, supplier puts lien on _your_
> house for the money owed. Want to keep your house? Better pay again
> and then try to extract that money from the contractor later by
> way of the courts.
>I think one of the primary factors is >how much time the collector has to
>dedicate to> their collection.And how much money-Ali
You had to ask..I was there 3000 years ago (or about 10 years ago in non
Tolkien meme terms) and it wasn't pretty
Original message From: Tom Hunter via cctalk
Date: 10/17/22 1:31 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: Tom
Hunter
> I'm not even sure I'd call them related. The i960 is a very different,
> almost
> "normal" RISC chip compared to the i860, though it uses Berkeley
> register
> windows like SPARC. It has excellent XOR performance, so it got used a
> lot
> later on in RAID arrays (my Apple Network Server 500 has
I always thought the i960 was an upgrade to the i860 (sort of like i386 to i486
upgrade). However, based on the info on wiki it seems as if the i960 actually
came first and although a RISC chip it was in no way in the same league as the
i860. Anyone can clarify or verify this?
-Ali
> A testament to the drive quality however, is that I have two such
> systems using these drives and both still work flawlessly after 35
> years.
Chuck,
Out of curiosity what is the model number of the Micropolis drives? I would
like to find a picture of them on the net if possible and see
RESENT FOR LEGIBILITY
>I seriously considered getting some custom
>napkins printed up (bars
>sometimes have personalized napkins; 5.25" is
>available, although these
>days, bars usually use smaller, just to keep from
>making rings on the
>tables), with just the outline of a 5.25" disk
>I seriously considered getting some custom >napkins printed up (bars
>>sometimes have personalized napkins; 5.25" is >available, although these
>>days, bars usually use smaller, just to keep from >making rings on the
>>tables), with just the outline of a 5.25" disk jacket >printed on them
> I think it was Dysan that first showed up with reinforcing ring kits to
> be applied to disks to ameliorate the problem, but ultimately the
> solution turned out to be making sure that the motor was on during the
> seating process. That's why, for example, 5.25" DD media usually has
> hub
Hello All,
Since the new hosting has taken over I am having a ton of issues posting to
the list. Anyone else experiencing legit posts being blocked as spam?
-Ali
> What you have been describing, and what no one else seems to have
> twigged to,
> is what we called a TIP ("terminal interface processor") or EtherTIP
> (because
> it sat directly on the 3Mbit/10Mbit Ethernet, unlike the ARPANET TIPs
> that sat
> on a 56Kbit leased line). There were dozens of
> > When I looked at the manual for the Lantronix UDS1100 I did not see
> any mention of it being able to be used as Telnet client.
>
> PDF Page 54.
>
> You put it in manual CONNECT mode, modem emulation, and type
> "ATDT10.20.30.40:23" on most modern Lantronix devices. I have no
> personal
> Hitting return a few times on the terminal will get the attention of
> the
> device; e.g. Raspberry Pi, that it's connected to.
>
> Depending on how said device is configured, you will either get a login
> prompt (e.g. getty+login) or a shell prompt (e.g. getty+shell).
>
> Then you will tell
> What about one of these? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DWLS7DP
>
> $11.38, and provides four ports. If that's not enough, you could do a
> bi-level multiplex arrangement; 5 of these ($56.90) would provide 16
> ports.
>
Mark,
Thanks. This would be a good solution if everything was in the
> Yeah that's basically it. You can often assign aliases so that e.g.
> `CONNECT RAID` executes a Telnet to a specific IP/DNS name, and many
> support setting up a default or automatic connection so that as soon as
> the terminal autobauds it just connects to whatever the default is.
>
>
> 1. If you want to connect an actual Serial Terminal to multiple hosts
> the easiest thing to use is a DB-9 or DB-25 switch box. Something like
> this:
This would work if everything was in the same room. As the devices are in
different rooms and floors no joy there without running cable all
> You may of course choose to DIY but there have been several common and
> cheaply-available-used solutions presented to you. The default behavior
> of most terminal servers (single port or otherwise) is, "connect your
> terminal, hit RETURN a few times, Telnet/rlogin/SSH/whatever to
> whatever
> I feel like a Raspberry Pi or similar would fit the bill for this
> nicely.
>
> IMHO, the Raspberry Pi, et al. qualify here too.
Well after looking around a bit last night and my Google fu failing to provide
anything worthwhile Grant may be right i.e. there is no device that make a
> Ali
>
> I have used the Lantronix UDS1100 for Ethernet/RS232 bridgingmaybe
> too pricey new, but available on ePay
> Trevor
Trevor,
I checked out the manual for the Lantronix and while it is a capable server it
does not provide a client interface. Thanks.
-Ali
> I got a Lantroix SCS 400 off of ebay for cheap. 4 Serial DB-9 ports,
> one RJ45 LAN port. Has built in Telnet , SSH. I think you can go back
> the other way, i.e. Computer -> LAN -> into one of the RS232 ports.
> Never used it that way.
>
> Used it to connect actual terminals to Vax
> I feel like a Raspberry Pi or similar would fit the bill for this
> nicely.
>
Yes, but it wouldn't be ready to go ;). I would need to find a raspberry pi
with a built in serial port and a flavor Linux already loaded on it plus
configuration. There are plenty of SERVER devices out there (i.e.
I am looking for some advice and recommendations on how to best go about
accomplishing the following:
I have recently come into possession of an actual physical terminal that can
be connected to a device via a standard RS232 (serial) port, so far so good.
I have a number of devices that can be
Long shot but
I have in my possession a LaserMaster LX-6 controller. The controller allows
achieving much higher res from a HP LJII then one would normally be able to
(600x300 DPI vs. the standard 300x300 DPI).
If you are really interested can read more about it here:
> Once the corrosion is removed I recommend using DC-4 on the
> connections. It will protect the surfaces and keep great electrical
> connections. It is a silicon grease that is non-conductive but keeps
> the surface clean and improves metal to metal electrical contact. It
> doesn't allow oxides
> > Cameron, do they teach indecipherable handwriting in med school?
> Seems to be universal!
> It's probably the hand cramping after writing clinic notes all day.
> Unexpectedly, electronic medical records have made my handwriting
> worse, not
> better.
Well the old excuse was too many notes
> There was a 5110 on ebay, non-working, that a friend had some interest
> in. It was quite a gamble at the price, in the absence of real tech
> info. ... Apparently it's been delisted, so my question is just
> curiousity at this point.
I think I know the one, and at that price it was insane even
>My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply >there tooIs that for me?
>Because my reply is at the bottom. See bottom.>> Out of curiosity does your
>brightness >>adjustment work at all? >I'm looking for the actual plastic knob.
> The pot >itself seems to work >fine.Sorry can't help you
>Would someone please suggest a replacement >for the Compaq Portable's
>>brightness knob? This was missing on mine >when I got it.David,Are
>youblooking for the pot or the actual plastic knob?Out of curiosity does your
>brightness adjustment work at all? -Ali
> Have you tried Misumi? The only problem I had was that you have to be
> VAT
> registered. I had a friend order for me.
>
> https://us.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/223000860382/
>
> I used the 150 mm / 6mm variety and as far as I can tell it works
> nicely. I
> have been running a tape in a
> Epay has messed the definitions up into a useless mess.
>
> I'd expect a vendor not selling on such to actually test the items.
> Whether they are warranted is a separate issue.
>
> On ebay they've screwed over sellers to the point that it's all but
> wasting time to list there unless you
> Side question, if I may, but what does "refurbished" mean within the
> context of sellers like this? Board [fully] tested and working? Or
> simply
> "visually good"? Or have components such as electrolytic capacitors
> that
> might be marginal from old age been tested and replaced with new
>
> Vault Corporation produced "Prolok" with a physical defect. To make it
> MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE to investors and clients, instead of a roomful of
> people scratching disks with paperclips, they used a "laser
> fingerprint"
> (use a laser, instead of a paperclip).
Which could be defeated w/ the
> > I guess this is not the deluxe model?
> >
> https://www.computerhistory.it/images/stories/storia/supporti/8inch_pun
> cher.
> > jpg
>
> Well, that one is not the "Berkeley Microcomputer Flip-Jig"
> Mine was just a simple plexi pocket with holes for MARKING the disk.
> Then, the holes were
> One of my first products to market, the "Berkeley Microcomputer
> FlipJig",
> was a plexiglass "pocket" with holes, for marking diskettes for
> punching
> the extra holes.
> The "deluxe" model had a stub spindle on the outside and a ring, for
> putting on hub reinforcers.
>
I guess this is
> That is a DIFFERENT "Fred"
>
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Figured as much since it wasn't signed grumpy LOL! Plus never took you
for an Alpha man
-Ali
> I had mentioned SecureCRT, it is my daily use ssh client. But if we
> want to focus on more vintage software, my favorite terminal emulator
> is ProComm Plus, made by Datastorm. As it happens, the two original
> authors/owners wrote it while living in my area (university). I grew up
> using that
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