[cctalk] Re: How to shutdown RT11?

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 11:00:25PM +0100, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2024, 10:54 PM Zane Healy via cctalk ... > Even v7 Unix didn't have halt or reboot. sync;sync;sync power off I remember it well. > > Warner > > > > Diane -- d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net

[cctalk] Re: long lived media (Was: Damage to CD-R from CD Sleeve

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 06:48:11PM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays?  Archival grade, not susceptible > to magnetism or EMP.  I think BluRay discs are made of a harder material than > DVDs and don’t scratch as easily. > ... > > I am interested in

Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:51:10AM -0600, Craig Ruff via cctech wrote: > Having gone through many mathematics courses it was common to also place a > slash on the letter Z to distinguish it from the numeral 2. Also for persons > from Europe where they slashed the numeral 7 to distinguish it from

Re: Slashed letter O, unslashed letter zero

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 07:48:36PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 4/26/22 19:05, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > I remember about 30 years ago, a registration card for a Microsoft > > product had specific forms that they wanted for certain letters, for the > > sake of a slightly

Re: Question about SIMH Sigma-7/9 emulation

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 03:51:41PM +, Dave via cctalk wrote: > Hi all, > I see that SIMH incorporates the 32-bit Xerox Sigma architectures.  The Sigma > 8/9/5x0 architectures are commented out but compile fine  Does anyone know if > those later architectures have known issues? > Has anyone

Re: FTGH (-Shipping): Assorted 9 track tape media

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 11:09:02PM -0400, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to find homes for: > >22 x 11" reels >5 x 9" >2 x 7" > > Most rated up to 6250bpi, a handful to 3200bpi. Some CONTROL DATA > branded, rest mixed brands. All in decent condition. hah! I also

Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 04:39:06AM +, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 08:20:44PM -0700, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > Wifey has phone numbers and knows about several of these lists. Reminds of that chat we had at BSDCan a few years ago eh? > > ;-) Diane --

FTGH 9t tapes

Somehow these were sitting in my basement rafters for years. The tape seems ok on the big reels but I believe one of the small reels was gummy. Several write rings on the pile too. I'd rather not have to box these up TBQH but I will if someone really wants them. Location Ottawa Ontario Canada

Re: Extremely CISC instructions

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:38:42AM -0400, Paul Koning wrote: > > > > On Aug 24, 2021, at 6:34 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 09:09:55PM -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:38 PM, Tom Stepleton via cctalk > >>> wrote: > >>> ...

Re: Extremely CISC instructions

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 09:09:55PM -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:38 PM, Tom Stepleton via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > For the sake of illustration to folks who are not necessarily used to > > thinking about what computers do at the machine

Re: The best hard drives??

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 11:49:44AM -0500, Todd Goodman via cctalk wrote: > At least you didn't call us all "Merkins"... I've done that and yes before you ask I know what it means. *whistles innocently* _ - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: The best hard drives??

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 01:02:39PM +0100, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 02:53, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Most of us "merkens" haven't truly mastered one language. ... > "balm" and "psalm" is _no longer_ silent and is actively pronounced in > some regions of

Re: FYI sunhelp.org down

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 11:08:00AM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk wrote: > Hi, > > I posted to and saw my message got stuck in the mail > queue. Upon a further inspection I saw that the domain has expired along > with `mrbill.net' where the nameservers used to reside and both have been

Re: MUA again [was: Re: Future of cctalk/cctech]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 09:39:41PM +0200, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 07:24:40PM +, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > > > Use modern email program that sees expanded char. Sets and ... > > Besides, once the html or any other non-pure text format takes over, >

Re: mail on spool as G-d intended was Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:41:39PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > > > I read this list on PINE, on a shell account at my ISP. > > > > Barbarian! At least upgrade to Alpine. (That's what I use.) :D > > Philistines, all of you. I use a hacked version of Elm. mutt! > -- >

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

I've kept quiet on this thread but now I'm getting curious since I was the one tasked in porting our vendor copy of GWBASIC to the Dynalogic Hyperion. The original work had been done by a contractor and his graphics weren't particularly fast. As I remember it, it was provided with hooks for the

Re: Fortran (Was Re: PDP-8 Straight 8 restoration)

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 09:31:56AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:13 AM Diane Bruce wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 05:33:35PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 5:10 PM Diane Bruce via cctalk < > > ccta

Re: APL-11

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:58:46AM -0400, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > Haven't given up on DIBOL. May try installing the RT-11 version and > see if it runs. > > But now another language of interest has reared its ugly head. :-) > > Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11?

Re: PDP-8 Straight 8 restoration

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 05:33:35PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 5:10 PM Diane Bruce via cctalk > wrote: > ... > > He was lucky the card deck was in order. One of my first jobs was to read > in old, horrible FORTRAN IV from punch card, then check it a

Re: PDP-8 Straight 8 restoration

last year and > we often have fun talking about the good old days! Nice! > > cheers, > > Nigel Johnson > > > On 29/03/2020 16:59, Diane Bruce via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 09:47:51AM +1300, Brendan McNeill via cctech wrote: > > > Here in

Re: PDP-8 Straight 8 restoration

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 09:47:51AM +1300, Brendan McNeill via cctech wrote: > Here in NZ and around the world many of us are in lockdown and spending more > time on our computers, if that were possible. I have just completed the > restoration of a PDP-8 Straight 8 which I believe is the only

Re: Anyone familiar with these vintage touchscreens?

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 03:47:06PM -0400, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote: > You are probably right about the 6809, the stuff I worked on was all in I knew one of the developers who was working on the 6809's. OS/9 was a very cool OS as it was very Unix like. > the development stages for the

Re: Anyone familiar with these vintage touchscreens?

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 12:14:53PM -0400, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote: > It was called teletext despite the implications, at least here in > Canada.  People just couldn't get their tongue around NAPLPS! More widely known as Telidon despite it being called NAPLPS.

Re: plated wire memory

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 07:43:34AM -0700, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > search for NDRO and thin film memory > Univac used it in their commercial and military computers > > On 10/20/19 7:35 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > > I was just listening to a video on the Voyager space craft. It used an >

Re: plated wire memory

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 10:45:27AM -0400, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote: > I remember an IBM engineer talking about this at our ham radio club. The de VA3DB > wire was coiled inside a drum and pulses were sent down the wire.  The > 'read head' was  a magnetic pickup at the other end of the

Re: Tandem Minicomputers

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 10:57:25AM -0500, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > On 09/29/2019 11:46 PM, Jason T via cctalk wrote: > > Well I said no more computers I can't lift, but exotic systems keep > > finding me. So today we pulled a Tandem CLX out of a basement, along > > with a few boxes of docs,

Toshiba "laptop"

Anyone collect these clunkers? Toshiba T6400DX Diane -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: Atari stuff

On Wed, Sep 04, 2019 at 11:12:27AM -0400, Diane Bruce via cctalk wrote: > Seeing as I do not have an ATARI 520 or 1040 any more I have some > Atari related stuff to give away as one bundle. It's a PITA enough > to package for me. > > Bundle is (roughly) > Atari VHS tape 520 S

SRCI for MDS to give away

I had planned on using this as a case for a project but then I noticed it still seems complete etc. and one of you lot *might* be interested. It's a blue metal steel box 30cm x 24cm x 6.4cm (I'll let you heathens work out Freedom units yourself) NWW Micro Systems on front panel marked Serial

Atari stuff

Seeing as I do not have an ATARI 520 or 1040 any more I have some Atari related stuff to give away as one bundle. It's a PITA enough to package for me. Bundle is (roughly) Atari VHS tape 520 ST Instruction tape Flight simulator II pair of games (one of the disks is damaged :-( ) and Mark Williams

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 05:09:13PM -0400, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > · SMTP(S) > > FTP was used before SMTP existed. yep ;) > > De -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 03:05:32PM -0600, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > Here's pot stirrer for a holiday Friday afternoon: > > How many different protocols / methods can we collectively come up with > for how email can be transferred? > > I'm primarily thinking about between servers

Re: gunkies.org is down or?...

On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 06:22:03PM +0200, Tomasz Rola wrote: > On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 07:19:53AM -0400, Diane Bruce wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 03:57:04AM +0200, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > [...] > > > > > > 158.36.191.230 gunkies.org www.gunkies.org > > > > Which is exactly what I

Re: gunkies.org is down or?...

On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 03:57:04AM +0200, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 08:21:39PM -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > > From: Diane Bruce > > > > > Works fine. > > > > Probably a left-over cached entry; neither my ISP's DNS, nor MIT's ("Host > >

Re: gunkies.org is down or?...

On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 07:40:17PM -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Tomasz Rola > > > Is it really down? Could it come back? > > Tore forgot to pay the bill for his DNS entry; this is the third year in a row > the exact same thing has happened, on the exact same date! :-)

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 07:02:42AM -0500, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > At 04:15 AM 6/28/2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > I don't even know if a half a dollar is a note or a coin, and > >that's without getting extra-pedantic and pointing out that about a > >dozen countries call their

Re: What 6502 macro assembler was used for the AIM-65 Monitor ROM?

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 01:20:17PM -0700, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > Anyone know what 6502 macro assembler was used for the AIM-65 Monitor > ROM, as shown in the AIM-65 Monitor Program Listing manual, document > number 29650N36L ? I'd not be surprised if it was the ROM version of the

Re: Bogus "account hacked" message

On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 02:29:47PM -0700, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 01/08/2019 02:09 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: > > Its actually funny. The password given is three yahoo (groups) hacks > > ago (about 10 years) but the email address used was a public one way > > reflector

Re: Operation Codes

On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 07:02:18AM -0500, Paul Birkel via cctech wrote: > https://www.asc.ohio-state.edu/dunlap.3/humor/instruction.set.html > HCF is listed there but the original instruction on the 6800 was thought to be included by the designers for hardware testing. See:

SUN keyboard for grabs

I am tossing a pile of old PC keyboards but found one SUN type C keyboard. It's missing a few keys :-( but might interest anyone needing spare parts. Missing Find/Cut left keypad "."/Suppr on right keypad "c" key is missing one foot is missing I'll ship if you pay postage. - Diane -- -

DAT tapes anyone?

I rescued a pile of DAT and a drive from scrap locally. I have no use for it. I'd rather not ship :-( but I am two hours drive from Montreal 4.5-5 hours from Toronto here in Ottawa. Anyone want this box? Diane -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://artemis.db.net/~db

Peripherals and Interfacing handbook pdp-11

Up for grabs free for postage, 1971 version. -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://artemis.db.net/~db

Re: Selling keyboards without the terminal

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:14:56PM -0400, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > OK I  am sorry  I  do not  understand  why the keyboard  went  this high? > > ... > > cctalk wrote: > > Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting > > separated > > > >

Few surplus manuals/data books

Free for cost of postage - Digital microcomputer interfaces handbook (dated 1980) "Hamilton Avnet" sticker on cover - Intel iAPX 286 Programmer's Refernce Manual - Motorola RF Data Manual (1980) - Atmel Data Manual (1989) - Intel ISIS-II USER'S GUIDE Copyright 1976, 1977, 1978 As you can

M7753 DEC flip chip

It has a red tag on it saying it is DOA date 23/May 79 and an obviously poorly removed chip. Anyone want it? For postage it's yours. -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://artemis.db.net/~db

Re: 6809 Monitor

On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 12:24:47PM -0700, tim lindner via cctalk wrote: > Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program? > > I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo. > > Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and > write to memory. I have a copy of

Narrow width fan fold paper

I found over a full box of fan fold paper for an MX-80 that was hiding all these years. It's here in Ottawa Canada so if you want it and can arrange pick up it's yours. Otherwise it's scrap paper. This isn't worth the shipping! Diane -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: Pair of Portmaster II's

quot;Wx11"L each > > Thanks > --Tammy > > > On 7/25/18 1:56 PM, Diane Bruce via cctalk wrote: > > I have two Livingston PM-11's (http://portmasters.com/faq.html) and I > > haven't needed > > either of these in a long time. Is anyone interested in them? >

Books up for grabs

I will send these out free for cost of shipping. These two really should go to people who *own* the machines covered. VAX11/780 Hardware Handbook 1978(!) PDP11/45 processor handbook 1971(!) IBM DOS Technical Reference (the 3 ring binder + box) Greenleaf Software Comm Library (3 ring binder +

Pair of Portmaster II's

I have two Livingston PM-11's (http://portmasters.com/faq.html) and I haven't needed either of these in a long time. Is anyone interested in them? Diane -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: SuperBrain

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 03:05:56PM -0400, Santo Nucifora wrote: > Hi All, Santo was first by about 12 minutes according to my mail logs. > Diane was gracious enough to accept my request for the disks and > documentation. I will certainly make images of the disks if they are > readable and will

Re: SuperBrain

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 12:24:18PM -0400, Diane Bruce via cctalk wrote: > I've discovered a SuperBrain manual and two floppy disks in my basement. > Anyone want them? Free to a good home. It has been spoken for and now I feel bad now that I don't have more to give away to everyone who sp

SuperBrain

I've discovered a SuperBrain manual and two floppy disks in my basement. Anyone want them? Free to a good home. Diane -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: 18 bit CPU; was: Speed now & then

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 07:16:58AM -0500, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:45:07PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > Looks pretty much like standard C until you get into the minutiae, such > > as "A character constant is 1 to 4 characters" and page 4-4 "Data

Re: Re: Re: radar history

On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 12:45:10PM -, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: > > > > A very interesting story in this radar history is how the Dutch managed to > > rescue the EF50 tube, essential for these early radar receivers, to England > > just hours before the Germans invaded holland. I heard this

Ferut computer

I just stumbled over this page this morning. Wow. Fascinating story! http://ferut.ca/my-story/ -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: Large discs

On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 09:33:47PM +, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > Do they also guarantee there will be a device capable of reading it > in 1000 years? It was bad enough with the BBC Domesday project. Paper. Paper is the only way. acid free paper. > > bill > >

Re: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 01:12:03PM -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > On Oct 20, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > ... > > Was looking at the digital repeater modes this morning > >

Re: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 09:32:38AM -0500, Jay West via cctalk wrote: > Us lowly technician license holders would love to participate :) Hey there is always DMR or something. de VA3DB > > J/KE0FJW > > -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: CFL

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 08:13:51AM -0500, js--- via cctalk wrote: ... > Maybe you don't, but I sure worry about fluorescents AND CFLS's breaking. > Although the document you link to is specific for businesses in just > 4 states, the entire document IS concerned with the hazard these bulbs > are.

Re: CFL (was: Re: BBS software for the PDP 11)

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 07:20:34AM -0400, Ken Seefried via cctalk wrote: > > And if you break one you have to call HAZMAT. You did realize that, > > didn't you? They contain mercury and any breakage requires professional > > remediation by law!! > > Please quit spreading this urban legend.

mx-80 for free

I found an Epson MX-80 in my pile of junque. I'd rather not ship but Ottawa, Montreal or Toronto are all possible. Otherwise, out to recycle. -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

I've always said a bad programmer can write bad code in any language. That said, language features that help a good programmer write better code go a long way. - Diane On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 08:04:22AM -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Rod Smallwood > > > All computer

Re: Stuffing boards with pulled QFP chips

On Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 10:40:40AM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 04/02/2017 07:53 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > > > Read this: > > > > https://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/reference/tech_papers/2011-nasa-gsfc-whisker-failure-app-sensor.pdf > > There are problems with the site's certificate, but

Re: Stuffing boards with pulled QFP chips

On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 06:59:54PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 04/01/2017 07:01 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > > Before building my most recent project (which involves an > > unpleasantly small-pitched TSOP package housing multiple RS232 level > > converters) I asked