[cctalk] Re: what to do with our "treasures"
Ha, cool, Fred. I just recently in 2022 I showed up for my Pennsylvania to San Francisco flight with a 1969 VW MicroBus crankcase (with its guts) in a large box, hand carried it (oof) into the airport and sent it through as an additional checked bag for, I think, $50 additional on the spot. Astounded that that actually still worked. Swapped out the top end in my buddy's gravel driveway in Tiburon and it's back in service. Can't say that I 100% "enjoyed" this particular instance of the old fashioned thrifty way of doing things, but it is kinda bragable :) On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 at 23:27, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Airline baggage used to be a good deal. > Size limit on carry-on, weight limit on checked. > > Sending a tech with parts on a plane was often much cheaper than rush > shipping. > > > I remember flying cross country with a pair of VW cylinder heads, two > clutch disks, some hand tools, and a loaf of french bread, in order to do > a clutch on my parent's bug, and a valve job on their Ghia. > > Even counting air fare, and 3 hours rental of a floor jack (optional), > with a few hours work, I saved them a substantial amount of money. > > > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com >
[cctalk] Re: tape duplicator program for pdp11
Jon, thanks so much for the gift of code! Unfortunately the list seems to have scrubbed away the attachments. If they're short, could you pls paste them directly in a reply as text so the programs are preserved in this thread for future? (Presuming they're not too big and that's not a rules-bender here) Alternatively you could email to me direct using my firstname.lastname at gmail. Fun side effect of this is that I now have to try and resurrect my eighties 11/34 RSX11-M install from my college days :) And maybe this will morph into a VMX -> RSX ForTran porting convo! On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 at 19:40, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > On 6/14/24 15:51, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote: > > Hi, > >Just got a real (Cipher M990 on TS05-emulating controller) tape drive > > running and would like to make exact copies of some [9-track] tapes "to > > guard against disaster." Probably will also do some imaging, so bonus if > > the candidate program can handle that too. > > > Here is a faster tape copy program that takes advantage of > drives that can stream. This is definitely a VAX/VMS program. > > Jon > >
[cctalk] tape duplicator program for pdp11
Hi, Just got a real (Cipher M990 on TS05-emulating controller) tape drive running and would like to make exact copies of some [9-track] tapes "to guard against disaster." Probably will also do some imaging, so bonus if the candidate program can handle that too. This is on an 11/34; I don't have a good q-bus tape controller yet or I'd try it on uVAX with NetBSD or something less "exciting" :) Anyone know of good programs to do this with only one tape drive? Don't care which operating system. Been looking through DECUS archives but have found nothing yet (manually reading thru - 1/3 of the way done, maybe there's a better way to scan these?). thx jake
[cctalk] Re: RD54 Maxtor XT-2190 w/one long meep
Thanks for the good ideas and convo everyone. Now please do note that I can definitely hear motor/platter spinup happening so it's definitely not "heads stuck to platter" stiction. I hear the lock unlatch and I *think* I even hear the heads load and fly (comparing what I hear on this drive to other drives I've actually seen the guts of in flying action) so I substantially doubt it's "arm stuck to lock pad goo" stiction. So we've made it through a lot of the powerup sequence and the problem is at the final part - the track scan up and back down the surface - the phase when the signature "...blearrt-meelrp..." happens :) And yes I believe from memory that XT-2190 is supposed to make the same track scan noise as the XT-1140 (I have an XT-1140 running perfectly as a fake RD54 in another pdp here). So could my behaviour of being hung at the final phase - the track scan noise - be the result of a lost servo track? Thinking about that, didn't someone on this list kill an XT-2190 recently by taking an outrageous magnet to it? Did you get the same track scan failure as I'm getting? Confused electronics on the PCB? Something else? Where would one begin diagnosing this particular problem? I did try the wrist twist torquing thing. And lightly whacking side of housing with palm of hand during track scan noise. Declining to do that hard, tho. Powered off and back on (to retry) probably near a hundred times now. Heated it gently in front of our forced-air furnace duct until comfortably warm to touch - probably near 105 F. All these produced absolutely zero behaviour change. thx jake
[cctalk] Re: RD54 Maxtor XT-2190 w/one long meep
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 19:01, r.stricklin via cctalk wrote: > voice coil positioner. Yikes, so that's an "open the lid" situation, bear? Any "how to" advise / docs / anecdotes out there as I begin searching?
[cctalk] RD54 Maxtor XT-2190 w/one long meep
Hi! Remember the blearrt-meelrp sounding seek oscillation noise that the RD54 makes when you turn it on -- after it spins up, unlatches and loads the heads? Well, I took a chance on an el-(c)heapo ePay special RD54 that does all these things perfectly up until the seek oscillation thing and then only makes one steady m- sound that seems to last indefinitely (or at least until I get tired of listening to it after a few minutes). Would anyone here know enough about these disks to venture a guess at where to begin troubleshooting this? thx jake P.S. If I'm being too vague, let me restate: I can hear it spin up, bearings sound normal, hear it unlock its head lock latch, then a perfectly *slight* noise of head actuation and the normal accompanying barely audible riding-on-air head noise. Then I expect to hear the two seek tones, but only get one steady seek tone that lasts (I assume) forever.
[cctalk] Re: PDP11 and Ultrix 11
> On Oct 18, 2023, at 09:56, hupfadekroua via cctalk > wrote: > > Hello all, > > does someone have a SCSI disc image of Ultrix 11 for a QBus based (11/73) > PDP11. > > A. I have sitting in front of me a PDP-11/83 running ULTRIX-11 v3.1 on MSCP SCSI via the CMD CQD-200 controller. It’s working beautifully for me, pointed at a SCSI2SD with “drives” around the size of an RA81. I just installed it last week from a replica original distro tape I made. Happy to send the image to you. You can boot the generic kernel and run /.setup/setup to reconfigure it to your hardware needs, recompile kernel, etc. If you have the means to use it, I could also make you a physical distribution tape so you can experience a real virgin install in all its proper glory. —Jake West Bridgewater, Pennsylvania
[cctalk] Re: qbus 6250 pertec tape card
Thanks Jon! From a quick glance at its manual, it seems the TC03 would do swimmingly! Does it have the 22-bit addressing kit? On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 4:19 PM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > On 2/24/23 15:01, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote: > > Does anyone have a working one to spare? > > Needed for PDP-11 unix home project. > > Emulex preferred but others would perhaps be acceptable. > > TS11 and/or TMSCP would both be great. > > Need 50-pin connectors (formatted). > > Can throw a bit of money / trades around as necessary. > > > I have an Emulex TC03 (TC0310201-SSB on the label). > > Jon > >
[cctalk] qbus 6250 pertec tape card
Does anyone have a working one to spare? Needed for PDP-11 unix home project. Emulex preferred but others would perhaps be acceptable. TS11 and/or TMSCP would both be great. Need 50-pin connectors (formatted). Can throw a bit of money / trades around as necessary. thx jake Western Pennsylvania, USA
Re: RT-11 Kermit to/from a raw device?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 2:08 AM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > What about COPY/DEVICE/FILE DUx: SAMPLE.DSK to get a device into a file > then kermit it to somewhere else? > I really did want to do that, but the target hardware is PDT-11/150, my only system with working 8" floppies, and it can't support a big disk (though it just occurred to me I could probably fake similar situation with a TU-58 emulator and new sysgen!). If I can get one of my bigger PDP-11s the ability to talk to floppies, then sure. Been trying, but don't know if that'll ever happen with things going the way they are :\ Actually this TU-58 emulator idea is starting to seem like a fun stunt.. Three serial ports on these PDT-11/150s, plus modem and console, so I could have lots of "larger," if slow (I think 2400 is the limit), storage devices on the ol' gal. Thanks for making me think, Nigel! --jake
RT-11 Kermit to/from a raw device?
Is there a way to do this? Or perhaps a driver in RT-11 that I could point to an entire drive? If not, maybe I could write one with some community guidance? Would be a splendid way to write real media, or in my case, read the hundreds of 8" floppies I have sitting on the shelf here for archive. thx jake
Re: PDT-11 Virtual Terminal Monitor v1.07
Thanks for the lead, Lee. Hooking up a proper cable with all the signals got her talking! On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 6:32 PM Lee Gleason via cctalk wrote: > > and tried looping back pin 2 to pin 3 > >on each serial + modem port and typing some characters, but nothing shows > >up in vterm. > > >PDT-11/150 terminal and printer ports ports all require a high on pin > 20, DTR, before they can send characters. I've never used the modem > port on my PDT's but I suspect it requires the typical, pins 6, 8, and > 20 wired together. Maybe you need to pull some of these pins high to > loop around? > > -- > Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR > Control-G Consultants > lee.glea...@comcast.net > >
PDT-11 Virtual Terminal Monitor v1.07
Hi! Anyone remember how to use this program that announces itself as "PDT-11 Virtual Terminal Monitor v1.07" ? I found it on a floppy of RT-11 v4.0 with my pile of PDT-11 treasures (which amazingly still seem to read fine and work wonderfully; disk file timestamps around 1979 - 1982). I thought maybe it was a term program, since these PDTs were kind of famous for that sort of deployment, and tried looping back pin 2 to pin 3 on each serial + modem port and typing some characters, but nothing shows up in vterm. It does come out of some mode into a command mode, I think, when I send a break to the console. ^C kills it from there and I can get back to RT. I found online a DECUS program of the same name (vterm), submitted by DEC circa 1979, and am wondering if this is the same beastie I've discovered on my 8" floppy: https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/decus/110417.html ; however, when I try to click through that decus website, the actual packages themselves seem to have been lost! Does anyone know where to obtain the actual files that came with this 110417 from DECUS? And if I'm on the right track, here? It would be cool to have this PDT-11 functioning as God intended if this vterm is actually a terminal emulator type of thing... thx jake
Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83
On Feb 21, 2022, at 19:32, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: > So how do I install an operating system? You can install 2.11BSD rather normally using VTserver. It makes your modern computer into a pseudo tape protocol via your serial port to the pdp console. It was written for this purpose and I’ve successfully installed bsd this way without having to contrive install images using simulators (which for me takes the fun out of owning real iron).. You could also raw-write a bootable rt-11 image onto a floppy using vtserver, boot it and from there install rt to big disk. Also, someone posted v7m floppy images on here last year. You could get RT-11 + Kermit up , then transfer and write v7m floppies from there. Beware of the problem of formatting RX-50 floppies if you decide to try this. I really hope Someone finds a newer ultrix floppy distro soon! These options stick a bit closer to the real pdp experience if you’re into that. Good luck Jake
tamayatech let down
I think I should pass on my experience as a warning to others. I googled around for a particular PDP-11 board I needed and tamayatech.com was a hit, with "buy now" option and condition: refurbished. Seemed convincing and the price was in the sane ballpark. So I bought it, paid through their ecommerce routine, etc. Sent a mail thanking them and asking if it would be despatched soon as I had work time off in the coming week.. No reply. Waited a week and telephoned their phone number from the purchase confirmation email. No answer. Left message. Several (well over ten) repeated email and phone contact attempts through the last months (this began early November) to no avail. There has been absolutely no response. So my conclusion: it looks as though they took my credit card and never shipped it, then just ignored me. I hope the fellow's okay but feel quite thoroughly ripped off. So 'buyer' beware. Interestingly their SEO is rather well maintained and punching DEC part numbers into Google, etc. often results in a hit to their site. So they're at least keeping that part of the business updated. Anybody else with similar experience? Any way to rectify the situation? thx jake
Re: PDT11/150 supported in RT11 5.7?
> On Nov 23, 2021, at 14:18, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > I spent the other day adjusting and getting my RX02's and the PDT11/150 > working in tip top shape. They run fine, but I was wondering: I didn't see > the PD.SYS driver on my RT11 5.5 and 5.7 releases. Does anyone know if Dec > dropped support sometime after 5.1? > C I was just reading the RT 11 5.7 documentation the other day and noticed the mention that PDT-11s were desupported with that release. I think the follow up to that was that the device drivers are still there, but no longer built for you. Maybe you could build it yourself and be fine! —-jake
Re: The precarious state of classic software and hardware preservation
How about all members here buy some big disks and take part in a number of curated torrents? Publicize torrent health so it’s highly visible. Organize custodians (preferably using folks who are already doing an excellent job). Cost of access to the archives is that the prospective user can evidence that he’s helping sustain the collection. Sure there are holes in this plan. But it’d be a good actionable start while we’re on the topic and it can be adjusted. > On Nov 20, 2021, at 11:55, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > That's why I am saying you literally need a family archivist who > periodically converts content on old media to new media for.old family > photos. That is the only practical way to preserve things or than if the > original paper/photo/tape exists and is still readable. Extending to > vintage computing, there will always have to be a community of archivists. > B > >> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 11:40 AM Chris Zach via cctalk >> wrote: >> >>> On 11/20/2021 10:47 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: >>> All of the riches in the world did not prevent (and may have actually >>> caused) the dilemma the LCM is in now. I am sure a lot of it will be >> saved >>> and probably most will be preserved but not all. And that's basically >> how >>> it is, history fades away, even the big things. It takes a lot of >>> foresight and teaching the young folks about the importance of learning >>> from the past. >> >> One of these days I really need to write down the whole history of >> AI.AI.MIT.EDU, MC, LSD, and how I had to rescue it not once, twice, but >> three times from loading docks where it would have been put in the >> trash. Each time I had to show up with a U-Hack to rescue it and find >> another home where it would be "saved forever" >> >> That's why I wonder about it at LCM: I would so not be surprised if I >> got a call from a trash company saying "Hey, we found this note in a >> large pile of metal crap, can you be here in 12 hours so we don't have >> to drag this thing to the dump? We're lazy and would appreciate the >> beers more" >> >> But what happens when I am dead? I can't be the guardian of that thing >> forever >> >> CZ >>
LEX-11
Does anyone have it? It supposedly came with TSX-Plus, which I grabbed from the classiccmp site, here, but it seems missing from this distro. thx jake
Re: FTGH for pickup in So Cal: PDP-11/44, Macs, Atari ST, RiscPC, ...
I'll be in Laguna Seca racing in 2 1/2 weeks and will have means to haul large stuff. Can come down your way some days before or after. I'd be happy to take the PDP-11/44 at least four disk packs lots of paper tape 8" floppies, TU58 the big Kennedy disk and the DEC VT100. Would you please let me know if this time frame will work for you, Cameron? thx jake (415)952-5372 On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 10:30 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Well, the pandemic turns everything upside down and we're looking at new > employment, a new place and probably having to slash a few things. First on > the chopping block is to consolidate and downsize storage. > > These systems and peripherals are all free to a good home; all you have to > do is pick them up. Pick up any and all, with priority given to those who > are interested in multiple units. I've tried to describe them as > completely as possible. A few items have "on your honour" conditions. I'm > also giving priority to classiccmp readers before I post public elsewhere. > > The items are in various places over the Riverside-San Bernardino area in > Southern California depending on where and when I acquired them, so send me > an off-list E-mail and we'll figure it out based on their location. > > THESE ITEMS NEED TO BE GONE IN THE NEXT MONTH. If you need a little > extra time, we can work something out; I'd rather not scrap what someone > has an interest in, but obviously with a likely move approaching, the > sooner the better. > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > POSSIBLY WORKING: > PDP-11/44 with at least four disk packs and lots of paper tape and 8" > floppies, > sitting on top of what I think is a TU58. I never got the chance to fire > it on. > You will need a truck, probably a cart and definitely a hernia belt. There > is > also a big Kennedy disk next to it but I don't know if they originally went > together. > > POSSIBLY WORKING: > DEC VT100. This got bashed around a little and the case is a little loose, > and I don't know if it works, but it's an honest to Ford VT100. > > NOT WORKING: > Alpha Micro S-100 system. I got this when I had more money with the > intention of rehabilitating it when I had more time, and now I have less > of both. It will work for other S-100 cards. Whatever cards and devices > are in there are all yours. They are heavy steel drawers and it can take > big cards. There are two boxes; please take both. > > NOT WORKING: > Acorn RiscPC 700 and Castle Iyonix PC. Like the AM S-100 system, I got this > when I had more money but not enough time, and now I have neither. They > need specialist restoration as neither system powers on, and it doesn't > appear to be (just) the PSU. In particular, the RiscPC came to me with a > leaky board battery which may have something to do with it. Both systems > appear heavily upgraded but I don't have any inventory. If you are > interested, it is expected you will be restoring the systems and not just > turning around to part them out; there aren't that many of these machines > on > this side of the Atlantic (on your honour). Please take both units; you > will get a big box of software and RiscPC artifacts from the previous owner > as well. > > WORKING: > Snow iMac G3 (600MHz, 512MB RAM). Works fine, comes up in stock 10.3.9. > Needs > a new PRAM battery but in good shape otherwise. Add your own USB keyboard > and > mouse. This was a gift from a good buddy, so it goes to you with the > understanding you will try to find it a home if you don't want it instead > of trying to sell it (on your honour). Everyone should have the joy of an > original iMac. > > NOT WORKING: > Atari STacy, disassembled. I was working on the system to replace the > hard disk and one of the power headers got shifted which put 12V on a 5V > line. Guaranteed this liberated some magic smoke from the motherboard or > a yet-to-be-detected fuse somewhere, but the keyboard, RAM card, screen > and such were all functional at the time I effed up and probably still are. > You will get it in a fabulous Office Depot box with "STacy" written on it > using a half-dead Sharpie. > > POSSIBLY WORKING: > Mega ST4 with Megafile 60 and SC1224 and SM125 monitors. These are a bit > yellowed and the keyboard is thrashed. Also, the TOS is on a separate card > with two leads that got loose and I don't know where they go (probably to > +Vcc > and a select pin). Thus, can't test the monitors or the hard disk, but the > system does power on, and the hard disk does power up and makes happy hard > disk noises. No idea what's on it. The SM125 puts on a power light and does > appear to try to make a picture, though its previous owner separated it > from > its stand for some reason. The SC1224 sounds like the flyback is bad but > may > be serviceable. Includes ST mouse and hard disk cable. No manuals or > software. If you want this unit, you need to take everything including the > m
Re: DEC PDP-11/45 backplane +5 ECO
I do. An early one from Stanford. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2021, at 11:28 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > >> >> From: Fritz Mueller > >> could I ask that you take some closeups around the Mate-n-Locks along >> the top? I'd be very interested to see the board traces and the details >> of the red bus wiring there. > > I had a look at my /45 (a later KB11-D - although I think the backplanes for > the -A and -D are identical), and it seems to have heavy red wires attached > to the upper row of Mate-n-Lok's that look just like those on Josh's. I'd > really want to take pictures of mine (I don't want to take the backplane out > - too much work - but I can get decent images with it in, I think) so I > can compare them directly, though, not depend on visual memory. > >Noel > > PS: I wonder how many people here have -11/45's? ISTR one other, but they > aren't > common.
vtserver for geezer '11s
Hi, I modified vtserver to work on pdp11/34 and similar - the older machines that have the 00 00 00 00 @ odt prompt. I'm afraid I didn't do a very thorough job (hack night and just wanted to get it working) and in retrospect I wish I would've made a conditional argument to put it in this mode. Perhaps we should collaborate on adding this properly and adding other desirable features like compression for incoming "all zero" blocks when pulling images in from real hardware, etc. It's here if you'd like to use it: https://github.com/jritorto/vtserver You can run it with ./a.out -odt to facilitate its talking to the pdp at power-on and loading its initial boot sequence via odt in octal. You have to run the primary bootstrap with L 14 and S because I botched the parsing a bit in my rush to get things going. thx jake
Re: Crypto Ancienne: TLS for the Internet of Old Things
Nice going! Next on wish list: openssh for 2.9BSD ;) >
2.11bsd unix resolver
Hi, I've installed the recent release of 2.11bsd on my pdp11/73 and recompiled the kernel to fit. But for some reason I can't resolve hosts from my /etc/hosts file now; only DNS names.. I'm not running BIND. Is there a setting that will allow me to find /etc/hosts entries first and then DNS in this operating system? I can't even resolve localhost! thx jake
Re: FTGH - Decstation 5000 plus many extras
I think that's the screen I'd really love to have for my vt240 but alas I'm too many continents away! Also not sure it'd plug in directly. Could you please tell me the model number and what the connectors look like? On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 8:48 PM Kevin Parker via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Lets have another go (but this time I have some pictures) > > Decstation 5000/125 – also houses a CD drive. > Two expansion storage boxes – one has a tape drive and the other one has > a floppy drive. > Two very large and heavy RGB Digital monitors – one has both Digital and > Sony branding on the back of it. I haven’t dug the other one out as its > in a corner and is dam heavy but it looks the same as the other one. > Box of spares (RAM, CPU's, HDDs etc.) > > I’ve never powered it up – it was a rescue – I believe it was a server > in a TAFE college in Adelaide. This is all I got from the rescue bar the > box of spares. The original owner had tossed all the documentation and > software. > > Please note that the stand is not included in my offer and its located > in south western Victoria (Australia). > > Photos: > > http://koken.advancedimaging.com.au/index.php?/albums/decstation/ > > > Kevin Parker > > >
Re: 2.11bsd rogue can't build
Thanks for the leads, everyone! I made a little progress: I did read enough about ld to get it to load the .o files from the initial cc run into a separate I&d overlaid executable. But when I execute it, it gives me Segmentation fault (core dumped).. There was one complaint of Undefined during the ld run even though I said -lc_p (and validated that _environ is in that .a file using nm. Undefined: _environ but it seemed to succeed in building the executable despite that. Well, I'm guessing it succeeded because the output file rogue is sitting there afterwards and has been marked executable, which, according to the man page, ld doesn't mark that way unless it succeeds. [35] root--> ld -t -v -M -i -X -x init.o main.o level.o score.o machdep.o inventory.o -Z hit.o monster.o -Z message.o move.o -Z object.o pack.o play.o -Z curses.o random.o ring.o -Z room.o -Z save.o spec_hit.o -Z throw.o trap.o -Z use.o zap.o -Y -o rogue -lcurses -ltermlib -lc_p [36] root--> size rogue textdatabss dec hex 44928 18554 10520 74002 12112 total text: 88704 overlays: 7616,6144,7488,1856,4352,6144,3840,6336 [37] root--> ./rogue Segmentation fault (core dumped) See anything amiss in my process? That Undefined _environ during ld still bugs me. Is the next step dissecting the program or its core with adb to find what's wrong? thx jake
2.11bsd rogue can't build
Wonder why I can't make(1) rogue on my 11/83, 2044KW, latest patch release from sms. [16] root--> make cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c curses.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c hit.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c init.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c inventory.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c level.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c machdep.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c main.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c message.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c monster.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c move.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c object.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c pack.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c play.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c random.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c ring.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c room.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c save.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c score.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c spec_hit.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c throw.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c trap.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c use.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c zap.c cc -i curses.o hit.o init.o inventory.o level.o machdep.o main.o message.o monster.o move.o object.opack.o play.o random.oring.o room.o save.o score.o spec_hit.o throw.o trap.o use.o zap.o -o rogue -lcurses -ltermlib ld:/usr/lib/libcurses.a(refresh.o): text overflow *** Exit 4 Stop. [17] root-->
pdp11 MicroPower/Pascal
Hi, Would anyone still have a copy of latest pdp11 MicroPower/Pascal? I'm trying to have a retro programming contest / party at my house and want to feature Pascal along with Macro-11 and maybe c on a real 11/23 with RL02s under TSX. Hoping to hang like ten users at once on the 'ol girl and make 'em really feel the speed. I might let up a little and run the contest on my 11/73 with scsi if it's too terrible :) Anyway, looked around the net for hours and can't find a copy of MicroPower/Pascal, so if anyone can help, I'd be grateful. Found TSX-Plus, though! Big Thanks again to Lyle and whomever's running the classiccmp site these days! --jake
Re: Got it: RD54 formatting write protect solved
Nice going! Related story: I had probs formatting a maxtor 11xx (not an actual xt-2190 but really close) as an rd54 due to geometry differences and binary patched that formatter to deal with it using the xxdp equivalent of od. Have the patched xxdp formatter binary on an rl02 pack here if anyone needs it. Works a treat, close enough that dec software thinks it’s an rd54. Jake Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2019, at 20:13, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Figured it out at last. On a BA23, the RD54 needs to be jumpered at the disk > as UNIT 3, and I had it as unit 4. Thus the jumper needed to be between 3 and > C, I had it one stake over between 4 and C. > > Fixed that, did the format where you do not select Autoformat, and downline > load UIT and you get the disk going tick, tick, tick as the sectors are > formatted. Here is Terry Kennedy's instructions updated to a BA23 instead of > a BA123: > > DR> STA > > CHANGE HW (L) ? Y > > # UNITS (D) ? 1 > > UNIT 0 > Enter controller IP address (O) 172150 ? > What unit do you want to format [0-255] (D) 0 ? 0 > Would you like to revector a single LBN only [Y/N] (L) N ? > Do you want to use the "AUTOFORMAT" Mode [Y/N] (L) Y ? N > > > Would you like to use the RCT - Revector known bad blocks [Y/N] (L) N ? > > WARNING > > [text about don't proceed if you're just kidding deleted] > > Do you wish to continue [Y/N] (L) Y ? > > > MSCP Controller Model: 19 >Microcode Version: 4 > > Do you want to use manufacturing bad block information [Y/N] (A) N ? > > Downline load UIT [Y/N] (A) Y ? > > > UIT Drive Name > --- > 0 RD51 > 1 RD52 part # 30-21721-02 (1 light on front panel) > 2 RD52 part # 30-23227-02 (2 lights on front panel) > 3 RD53 > 4 RD31 > 5 RD54 > 6 RD32 > > Enter Unit Identifier Table (UIT) [0-7] (D) ? 5 > > Continue if bad block information is inaccessible [Y/N] (A) N ? Y > > Please type in the serial number [8-10 digits] (A) ? 013284212 (use whatever > you want) > > > Formatting of Drive 1 Begin. > > [a long sequences of messages is displayed here, 1 per minute, showing the > progress of formatting and what step is in progress on which block number.] > > Format Completed. > > And Bob's your uncle!
Re: Meantime, fixing RX50's.
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2019, at 17:07, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > So while trying to figure out this XXDP format error (the FCT Write protect > enabled one that's stopping me from formatting an RD54) I spent a bit of time > copying the floppy to a backup disk. My RX50 was *very* flakey, throwing > errors so I pulled it to see what was up. > > Opened the unit and sure enough: The disk head could use a cleaning, and more > important the little pad on the other side came off when I touched it. > Apparently the glue holding it in has decayed in the past 30 years. Drat. > > Used isopropyl and q tips to clean the heads, then broke a Q tip in half and > put a bit of cyanacryllic glue on the tip, then transferred it to the pad > holder, then put the pad back on. Pressed down and breathed on it to give the > glue some moisture and waited an hour. Did same to other head. > > RX50 now works perfectly, and I was able to make and boot a backup. So if > your RX50 is flakey check to see if the pads are still on the head assembly, > it's possible it is loose or fell off (if fell off look around in the RX50 > for it, probably in there somewhere) > > Never dull. Now to figure out this write protection issue: I have set the > drive to unit 4 (well 3 in the 0-3 world), set the RQDX3 to pins 1 and 2 on > the write precomp jumper, and it still comes up but thinks the drive is write > protected. > > Drat.
Re: Low Level Format Some RX-50s?
Yay, thanks! I'll follow up off-list! On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:48 PM Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, 8:58 PM Jacob Ritorto via cctalk > wrote: > > > Hi, > > Anyone with the requisite hardware handy willing to do a box of ten or so > > for me, pretty please? I'm in western Pennsylvania, USA > > > > I'm in Colorado and could do a box on my Rainbow... > > Warner > > thx > > jake > >
Low Level Format Some RX-50s?
Hi, Anyone with the requisite hardware handy willing to do a box of ten or so for me, pretty please? I'm in western Pennsylvania, USA thx jake
Sun Ultra 1 PROM update to OBP 3.11.1 or better
Hi, My pal Dave just gave me a very nice original Ultra 1 Creator! Found a nice 1K 146GB disk and 1GB genuine X7004 Sun RAM from good old MemoryX and this store I'd never used before called DiscTech (great ecomm site and decent prices afaict), so this baby's shaping up to be a fantastic and affordable rescue! Alas, it seems some corporate best practices aficionado from the company that was entrusted with the care and feeding of Sun has unilaterally and unceremoniously "lost" all the old patch clusters for these machines. Anyone still have them? The particular one I need is the patch SUNWflell from anytime after late 1997. This will allow her OpenBoot to play nice with 64-bit operating systems like Solaris and the Illumos-based Tribblix, OpenSXCE, etc, which I'm thinking will be extremely cool to see running on a 25 year old machine! thx much. jake
Re: PDP 11/15
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 11:15 PM Randy Dawson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Paul, > That is so cool! > How much space would it take? > That is my first computer (outside of timesharing and Z-80 homebrew). > My first job was on the PDP-15 to transcribe the APOLLO analog range tapes > of the lunar experiments, primarily the seismometer moonquake data for the > University of Texas Geophysics Lab (they designed the seismometers). > > The machine was a pretty good wall, 4-5 racks. On the other side of the > room were the FM/Direct Bell and Howell analog range tape players and > demodulators. > I ran this stuff all night long, hanging tapes, using the scope to adjust > analog heads for the best signal and transcribe to the digital tape. > NASA was not interested in this stuff anymore, they were onto Skylab. The > ALSEP lunar stations were TEG powered and would go on for decades > transmitting, probably still are. All we got was freetime gratis from the > range stations to point at the moon and hang a tape, the data was always > bad and a challenge to tweak heads the best we could. > > We had a Versatec electrostatic plotter to output the continuous seismic > record as I was decoding the tapes. > Anytime there was an 'event' on the plotter, I had Dr. Yosio Nakamura's > home number to call him in and take a look. > > Many nights, we re tweaked heads, to get the last bits of clean > seismometer data. > > Randy > Trivia: As I hung a tape out of sequence once, Fortran coders fixed that > next day. Next time it happened, the TTY chatters, RANDY! DIDN'T YOU > ALREADY ENTER GMT JULIAN DATE XXX:XXX:XXX > It was a all night job alone in the computer room, and I am listening to > Foghat between tape hangs and alignment. > > > You know, one of the reasons I'm still on here is for the anecdotes and this is far and away the coolest anecdote I've read in quite some time! Thanks for sharing, Randy; more, please!
uc04 + scsi2sd ?
Hey all, Anyone know whether the Emulex UC04 works with the sd2scsi? I just bought a uc04 and it won't talk to any of my old scsi disks, seems to think there's supposed to be a "controller" in between :\ yuck. thx jake P.S. While I'm at it, anyone know how to get UC04 to talk to directly to plain scsi disks and tapes instead of these lunatic ESDI controller bridge things?
Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home
There are contractors who have the hardware to correctly and contractually perform mil spec data wipe in situations like this. More thorough than leaving sitting on some shelf and crossing fingers that one will find time to burn them or whatever. On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 6:02 PM Richard Loken via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen, > > I have immediate access to four Alphaservers, an RA8000 raid server, > and the associated fibre switches in need of a new home. > > There three servers that were running Tru64 Unix 5 when shut down a week > ago, they are a DS15, and two ES45s. There is also a third ES45 which > has not run in a decade and was kept around as a cold spare. > > None of the RA8000 disk will be available because the present owner is > protecting his data (of course) but all of the unused spare disks are > available and they will fit the internal slots in the DS15 and ES45s > which may or may not have disks depending on the whim of the present owner. > > Lots of paper docs and Tru64 OS installation kits but no licenses. > > They can be had for free but shipping will most assuridly not be free. > > -- >Richard Loken VE6BSV : "...underneath those tuques we > wear, >Athabasca, Alberta Canada : our heads are naked!" >** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black >
Re: DG Nova 4 for pickup on Lon Gisland
Shoot, was asking my wife if I could have it for Christmas to replace my regular desk in the family room :) But to keep the decor of our home a little more sane, I'll abstain from bidding and wish you best of luck instead! happy holidays and good luck! --jake On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 1:28 PM Connor Krukosky via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Alright, I think I will go for it. I am not too far from it being in > Poughkeepsie. > Always loved the desk machines, and I personally have another kinda > parts Nova 4 that hopefully I can use to switch parts between to get one > really nice machine :) > > -Connor K > > On 2018-12-11 13:04, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > > I had one of those quite a few years ago. The desk comes apart fairly > > easily. The main unit is just a standard shorty 19" rack. > > > > -- > > Will > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:34 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm about an hour drive away and somewhat interested, but I don't have > >> space for the desk unfortunately. > >> > >> -- > >> Anders Nelson > >> > >> +1 (517) 775-6129 > >> > >> www.erogear.com > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:33 PM Tony Aiuto > >> wrote: > >> > >> > It is close enough to me to rescue, but I really don't have the space > to > >> > store it. > >> > Will anyone take it if I hold it a while? > >> > > >> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk < > >> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Would this system fit in a standard 19" wide equipment rack? > >> >> > >> >> =] > >> >> -- > >> >> Anders Nelson > >> >> > >> >> +1 (517) 775-6129 > >> >> > >> >> www.erogear.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < > >> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Cribbed from VCF: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Data-General-NOVA4-Nova-4-nova-desktop-computer-minicomputer-8-floppy-vintage/332940164292?hash=item4d84c7bcc4:g:2skAAOSwqIhcDrmI:rk:39:razz:f:0 > >> >> > > >> >> > Chuck > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >
trouble imaging badblocks on rl02
Has anyone modified Warren's VTServer to ignore errors (or at least keep trying upon encountering them)? I'm trying to image some rl02s I found and am getting flack on some tracks, killing the whole recovery process. 200K received wwrl(0,0,0) err cy=14, hd=0, sc=28, rlcs=104275, rlmp=4 Copying done. Either reset the system, or hit to exit the standalone program. Or is there a better way? thx jake
Re: modern stuff
Tangent: I have a large bin of perhaps a hundred working (last checked circa 2002) single board computers in the warehouse (Western Pennsylvania) with i960 cpus if anyone's interested. They were the Switch Control Processors from FORE Systems ASX200 switches, quite fully functional little computers and all self-sufficient on one board. When we ported to x86, the poor i960 ones became unwanted extremely rapidly; hence the surplus. Never had the heart to remand them to the skip. There's Serial, Ethernet, 7 segment display array, flash, RAM, clock, etc. and a VME bus interface. Guys used to hook them naked to a couple wires for power source and run them in their office window to scroll messages. Would make for a swell massively, if lethargically, parallel compute project. Would enthusiastically trade for pdp11 stuff, or donate to interesting project even if you have nothing to offer. thx jake On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:16 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 10/25/18 11:23 AM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk wrote: > > > Didn't at least part of the team continue the project as the BiiN / > > 960MX? > > Yes. > Eric Smith can explain the whole history if he chooses to. > > Here is what he has on line for the 432 > http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/intel/iapx432/ > > > >
Re: Catalog of Braegen Compter systems FOUND! Anaheim CA. lsi 11 systems and unibuss add in stuff too printer and tape and disc subsystems...
Hi Ed, I talked to that craigslist guy in DC. He's saving the cdc drive for me (others welcome, too - just trying to keep it from the skip). Are you saying you've found disk cartridges to fit it? And is this an announcement of a huge haul you've come across in Anaheim (I'll be in sfbay in a couple weeks and miiight be able to drive down to help muscle stuff if you need help), or are you literally talking about a paper catalog? thx jake On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:58 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > resent with corrected subj. message > Catalog of Braegen Compter systems FOUND! Anaheim CA. lsi 11 systems and > unibuss add in stuff too printer and tape and disc subsystems... ANY ONE > HAVE THE HARDWARE IN CAPTIVITY?.. the cdc discs look like that bold one > someone posted from Craigs list the other day... ed# www.smecc.org > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >
Tektronix 4113
Any interest in a Tek 4113 terminal (minus display)? I have one collecting dust here and would like to trade for older Tek restoration help / other pdp11 stuff. The keyboard is damaged but otherwise it's just old and dirty, haven't opened it up. Located in western Pennsylvania. thx jake
Re: Last sun3 ask: In search of a SCSI controller (VME) for a 3/260
I don't, but I do have a memory board from one if you want it. Rather dirty. On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:35 AM, Ian via cctalk wrote: > Folks, sorry for the Sun spam. > > > Everything was working in my newly acquired 3/260, and the monitor is even > starting to shape up. > > It was a gorgeous machine until I tried to use the SCSI bus on it. > > The controller is dead, very dead. No fuses or obvious things. > > No matter the device or chain... including the original disks. > > “getbyte error, phase mismatch” > > So again I plead- does anyone have a Sun 3 scsi controller, preferably of > the internally pinned type, sitting on a shelf somewhere? > > Thanks, > > - Ian > >
qd32 trouble
Hi all, Would anyone here be able to help me troubleshoot my qd32 controller? I have a pdp11/73 that's mostly working, boots 2.11bsd from rl02 okay, but I need my big disk to work so I can load the rest of the distro. I've been following the manual for the qd32 to enter the geometry of my real working Fuji m2333 (jumpered correctly according to the manuals), but when I load the special command into the qd32's SP register that's supposed to load the geometry table I entered in pdp11 memory to the qd32's novram, I get a bad status value from the qd32's SP register and it remains unresponsive when I try to store the geometry. If I go ahead and try the built-in qd32 format command, it responds similarly. When I pull in mkfs from tape (vtserver) and try anyway, despite the failures, to run mkfs on the m2333, I get an !online error from the standalone unix mkfs. The disk does respond (the select light flashes and I can hear heads actuating), but without geometry and format, I'm obviously dead in the water. I understand that there used to exist some Emulex qd32/pdp11 diagnostics that could help the situation, but my previous attempts to find copies have come up short. Any suggestions on how to proceed? thx jake
Re: Seeking RL02K cartridge
I'm on the western side of the state, mid-way up, 5 minutes from the Ohio line. I have an old church building with maybe ten pdp11s and VAXen and would like to host a pdp11 programming / work session / mixer someday if I can get the space into a presentable state! On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Bill Degnan wrote: > Where in PA? I live on the south -eastern corner near the u of Delaware ( > Newark, del.) > Bill > > On Feb 20, 2018 6:07 PM, "Jacob Ritorto via cctalk" > wrote: > >> Hi Aaron, >> I have some extra RL02 packs and would be glad to lend you a pack for >> free if you like; maybe for keeps. But you're probably not on the same >> continent as me, so shipping would probably be costly. If you have no >> better offers, let me know and we'll work it out. Can also put bits on it >> if it'd be advantageous to have something written on it beforehand. >> >> --jake (in Pennsylvania, USA) >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Aaron Jackson via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> I posted some pictures of the process here: >> > >> >> > >> http://aaronsplace.co.uk/blog/2018-02-19-repairing-crashed- >> > RL02-heads.html >> > >> >> > > Looking at the pictures of the heads before and after I am struggling >> to >> > see >> > > a difference. What am I looking for? >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > >> > > Rob >> > >> > If you click on the image and load the full sized image, you should be >> > able to see some orange stuff from the coating on the platter on the >> > heads. There isn't a lot, but it was enough to crash when I loaded a >> > pack it seems. Cleaning with IPA and swabs, without the heat, wasn't >> > enough to get it off. >> > >> > Best, >> > Aaron >> > >> >
Re: Seeking RL02K cartridge
Hi Aaron, I have some extra RL02 packs and would be glad to lend you a pack for free if you like; maybe for keeps. But you're probably not on the same continent as me, so shipping would probably be costly. If you have no better offers, let me know and we'll work it out. Can also put bits on it if it'd be advantageous to have something written on it beforehand. --jake (in Pennsylvania, USA) On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Aaron Jackson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> > >> I posted some pictures of the process here: > >> > >> http://aaronsplace.co.uk/blog/2018-02-19-repairing-crashed- > RL02-heads.html > >> > > Looking at the pictures of the heads before and after I am struggling to > see > > a difference. What am I looking for? > > > > Regards > > > > Rob > > If you click on the image and load the full sized image, you should be > able to see some orange stuff from the coating on the platter on the > heads. There isn't a lot, but it was enough to crash when I loaded a > pack it seems. Cleaning with IPA and swabs, without the heat, wasn't > enough to get it off. > > Best, > Aaron >
