Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
Thank you for the link. I really enjoyed seeing that video! Maybe there was another one done on the great Volker-Craig/NABU catastrophe, which I believe is another example of government getting involved with business and screwing it up. I was at their factory when they were trying to liquidate - selling VT100-compatible terminals for peanuts - I got a VC100 and VC3100 (with TEK 4010 emulation) for a few hundred dollars each! cheers, NIgel On 24/04/2020 22:25, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/24/20 6:58 PM, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote: Does anybody have a wp made by AES? In the late 70's, they were experimenting with voice recognition for their systems. We were a nearby DEC Components OEM and had a hundred or so LSI11/23 modules in stock. They sent an engineer over to our plant, took out the whole stock, and replaced the 13.824 MHz clock crystal module with the output of a function generator to see how high they could overclock it to get the response they needed for voice recognition. I think they bought the 4 or 5 that passed diagnostics with the highest clock speed, somewhere near 40 MHz IIRC. Some years ago, I received a Harris/AES hard-sector 8" floppy from a friend of a newspaper reporter. Took me forever to decode the format, after which I wasn't able to locate the customer. I do recall that those systems were quite popular in the newspaper trade, however. Here's a video documentary from CBC relating the sad story of that Canadian tech outfit. https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1890827641 --Chuck -- Nigel Johnson MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept! You can reach me by voice on Skype: TILBURY2591 If time travel ever will be possible, it already is. Ask me again yesterday This e-mail is not and cannot, by its nature, be confidential. En route from me to you, it will pass across the public Internet, easily readable by any number of system administrators along the way. Nigel Johnson Please consider the environment when deciding if you really need to print this message
Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
On 4/24/20 6:58 PM, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote: > Does anybody have a wp made by AES? > > In the late 70's, they were experimenting with voice recognition for > their systems. We were a nearby DEC Components OEM and had a hundred or > so LSI11/23 modules in stock. They sent an engineer over to our plant, > took out the whole stock, and replaced the 13.824 MHz clock crystal > module with the output of a function generator to see how high they > could overclock it to get the response they needed for voice > recognition. I think they bought the 4 or 5 that passed diagnostics with > the highest clock speed, somewhere near 40 MHz IIRC. > Some years ago, I received a Harris/AES hard-sector 8" floppy from a friend of a newspaper reporter. Took me forever to decode the format, after which I wasn't able to locate the customer. I do recall that those systems were quite popular in the newspaper trade, however. Here's a video documentary from CBC relating the sad story of that Canadian tech outfit. https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1890827641 --Chuck
Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
Does anybody have a wp made by AES? In the late 70's, they were experimenting with voice recognition for their systems. We were a nearby DEC Components OEM and had a hundred or so LSI11/23 modules in stock. They sent an engineer over to our plant, took out the whole stock, and replaced the 13.824 MHz clock crystal module with the output of a function generator to see how high they could overclock it to get the response they needed for voice recognition. I think they bought the 4 or 5 that passed diagnostics with the highest clock speed, somewhere near 40 MHz IIRC. cheers, Nigel On 24/04/2020 21:50, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: It really is a shame that little attention is paid to the early WaPro vendors. I remember that we had an Artec system, with a floor-standing dual 8" drive box and a Diablo KSR Hitype with an attached one-line display. Artec was acquired by Dictaphone, who was then swallowed by Pitney Bowes, who then got out of the rather crowded word processor market. I can't find a photo of the original blue Artec box on the web; only the later PB "Dual display" models. I mean, who remembers Qyx or Vydec? --Chuck -- Nigel Johnson MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept! You can reach me by voice on Skype: TILBURY2591 If time travel ever will be possible, it already is. Ask me again yesterday This e-mail is not and cannot, by its nature, be confidential. En route from me to you, it will pass across the public Internet, easily readable by any number of system administrators along the way. Nigel Johnson Please consider the environment when deciding if you really need to print this message
Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
It really is a shame that little attention is paid to the early WaPro vendors. I remember that we had an Artec system, with a floor-standing dual 8" drive box and a Diablo KSR Hitype with an attached one-line display. Artec was acquired by Dictaphone, who was then swallowed by Pitney Bowes, who then got out of the rather crowded word processor market. I can't find a photo of the original blue Artec box on the web; only the later PB "Dual display" models. I mean, who remembers Qyx or Vydec? --Chuck
Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
Ya. And it’s not from Michigan but Minnesota! You betcha. -- Chris Elmquist > On Apr 24, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > >> >>> What in the world is this? > >> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: >> It’s a word processor, pure and simple. I have the later version and have >> kind of been collecting tales of the Cassette Power Typing company of >> Michigan - >> http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/Museum/cpt > > Thank you for a delightful page. I hadn't previously noticed it. > > > Trivial corrections: > > In Nov 2005 update, it says that the 9000 had an 8086 processor. > In Jan 2007 update, it says that Win 3.1 was run on it. > Windows 3.10 required A20 support, and would not run on the 8088/8086, so > that would have had to have been Windows 3.00, > OR the 9000 processor was 80X86, specifically 80286. > OR, the 9000 got a processor update. > (The pictures at the bottom of the page, of ISA boards, are clearly 16 bit > ISA, which would be 80286, not 8086) > > In Sep 2008, Gary Simpson seems to have confused Double-SIDED with > Double-DENSITY. Punching another hole is needed to convert 8" disks back and > forth between single and double SIDED. and is unrelated to density. > He also mentioned 1771 FDC, which was, indeed, FM not MFM. > (He would not be the first person to conflate capacity with density, and > think that using both sides doubled the DENSITY; it doubled the capacity, and > therefore the density of the filing cabinet, but not the "density" of the > recording format.) > > > > At one time, I received a 3.5" double density sample disk that was clearly > labelled "CPT CP/M-80" It was obviously CP/M file system, and I easily > implemented that format in XenoCopy. (It would not have been "easily" if it > weren't CP/M, MS-DOS, Stand-Alone BASIC, P-system, nor TRS-DOS) > Was that a different CPT? Similar three letter name COULD be something else > entirely. > Or had they done some different drives? > Or was that a customer modification? > Gary Simpson mentions 1771 FDC, which was single density only. > Did any of the CP/M models (pre 80x86) have double density? (likely a 179x > FDC, which was an easy upgrade from the 1771, or a whole different FDC, such > as the NEC765). > It didn't HAVE to be pre-80286; it was possible to run a Z80 emulator on PCs, > but few had reason to do so. > > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
Bitsavers has some brochures on the 8000 and 6000 (cost-reduced 8000): http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cpt/brochures/ I've got an operator's flip-style book somewhere in my stuff for the 8000. CP/M for the 8000 was announced by CPT in 1979. --Chuck
Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
What in the world is this? On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: It’s a word processor, pure and simple. I have the later version and have kind of been collecting tales of the Cassette Power Typing company of Michigan - http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/Museum/cpt Thank you for a delightful page. I hadn't previously noticed it. Trivial corrections: In Nov 2005 update, it says that the 9000 had an 8086 processor. In Jan 2007 update, it says that Win 3.1 was run on it. Windows 3.10 required A20 support, and would not run on the 8088/8086, so that would have had to have been Windows 3.00, OR the 9000 processor was 80X86, specifically 80286. OR, the 9000 got a processor update. (The pictures at the bottom of the page, of ISA boards, are clearly 16 bit ISA, which would be 80286, not 8086) In Sep 2008, Gary Simpson seems to have confused Double-SIDED with Double-DENSITY. Punching another hole is needed to convert 8" disks back and forth between single and double SIDED. and is unrelated to density. He also mentioned 1771 FDC, which was, indeed, FM not MFM. (He would not be the first person to conflate capacity with density, and think that using both sides doubled the DENSITY; it doubled the capacity, and therefore the density of the filing cabinet, but not the "density" of the recording format.) At one time, I received a 3.5" double density sample disk that was clearly labelled "CPT CP/M-80" It was obviously CP/M file system, and I easily implemented that format in XenoCopy. (It would not have been "easily" if it weren't CP/M, MS-DOS, Stand-Alone BASIC, P-system, nor TRS-DOS) Was that a different CPT? Similar three letter name COULD be something else entirely. Or had they done some different drives? Or was that a customer modification? Gary Simpson mentions 1771 FDC, which was single density only. Did any of the CP/M models (pre 80x86) have double density? (likely a 179x FDC, which was an easy upgrade from the 1771, or a whole different FDC, such as the NEC765). It didn't HAVE to be pre-80286; it was possible to run a Z80 emulator on PCs, but few had reason to do so. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
On 4/24/20 3:52 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > >> On 24 Apr 2020, at 23:39, Anders Nelson via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/143536589578 >> >> What in the world is this? > > > It’s a word processor, pure and simple. I have the later version and have > kind of been collecting tales of the Cassette Power Typing company of > Michigan - http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/Museum/cpt > Apparently, there was a version of CP/M 2.2 offered for it, but I've never been able to find the beast. The processor itself is very basic--each page is a file and the operation is of a block-oriented editing terminal. I've converted a lot of the 8" CPT floppies for customers. FWIW, the thing is pretty worthless without the requisite system software floppies. --Chuck
Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
On 4/24/20 3:39 PM, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/143536589578 > > What in the world is this? Early word processor. There's a bit on the web on it. --Chuck
Re: Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
> On 24 Apr 2020, at 23:39, Anders Nelson via cctalk > wrote: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/143536589578 > > What in the world is this? It’s a word processor, pure and simple. I have the later version and have kind of been collecting tales of the Cassette Power Typing company of Michigan - http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/Museum/cpt -- Adrian Graham Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaursf: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
Dixie Canner CPT 8000?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143536589578 What in the world is this?
