Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-27 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> As to what _else_ it is doing, and why it has the cable to the main > card... I think that it must intercept MSYN from the processor and only > let it pass if there's no hit in the cache. > (To explain why it would need to do that... normally with the MS11, > there's a static

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-25 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Mattis Lind > I will take a picture of the boards in more detail so we can figure out > what they are doing later on. Thanks, that would be really useful. > My understanding is that slot 1AB and slot 26 AB is tied to each > other. So if there would be no expansion

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-25 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
> > The sandwiched dual boards are sitting in 27 / 26 AB. The board in > 27AB > > was empty (quick glance), while the board in 26AB has a few TTL chips > > on it. Slot 26AB is the Unibus A slot, Slot 27 AB should be a > > terminator on Unibus B. > > I'm more interested in _what_

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-24 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Mattis Lind > Here is how it is connected: Thanks for that - very informative! > The sandwiched dual boards are sitting in 27 / 26 AB. The board in 27AB > was empty (quick glance), while the board in 26AB has a few TTL chips > on it. Slot 26AB is the Unibus A slot,

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Paul Birkel [mailto:pbir...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:36 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 >

RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
-Original Message- From: Paul Birkel [mailto:pbir...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:36 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 ... >From the ABLE marketing literature: CACHE/ 45 (CACHE BUFFER MEMORY) INSTA

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Chris Quayle via cctalk
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 09:22:25 -0400 (EDT) From: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 Message-ID: <20180722132225.49a0b18c...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > From: Pa

RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mattis Lind via cctalk Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:36 AM To: Noel Chiappa; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 Here is how

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
> > > Studying the MS11 Maint Manual, the MS11 controller has access to the full > address and data from both the CPU (FastBus) and UNIBUS B. (The FastBus > actually has two uni-directional data busses; in and out.) So all that > info, > this hypothetical cache board can get from the slot it is

RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-23 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel Chiappa via cctalk Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 2:07 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 - MS11-B Engineering Drawings About

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> We're actually pretty well off, there; we have: > - MS11 Maintenance Manual (DEC-11-HMSAA-D-D) > - MS11 MOS Memory Troubleshooting Guide (DEC-11-HMSTS-A-D) > - MS11-B Engineering Drawings There's also a little bit about the MS11-C (not covered in the documents above) in

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Paul Birkel > Unfortunately there's not much documentation for the MS11. ??? We're actually pretty well off, there; we have: - MS11 Maintenance Manual (DEC-11-HMSAA-D-D) - MS11 MOS Memory Troubleshooting Guide (DEC-11-HMSTS-A-D) - MS11-B Engineering Drawings About all we're

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Paul Birkel > ABLE Computer Technology. Their first product was PN 10001 ... the > A.C.T. Univerter This board is not shown in any of the Able brochures we have: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/able/brochures/ However, Able info is _very_ thin on the ground, now...

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
s.trailing-edge.com/pdf/able/Able_Univerter_Nov81.pdf > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bob > Smith via cctalk > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:44 PM > To: Mattis Lind; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: R

RE: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-22 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
ic Posts Subject: Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45 any identification number sn front or back? can tell from just that shot. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > This board was sitting in slot 21 of the backplane in a 11/45 > > https://i.imgur.com/ZYWZQ

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-21 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
I think it's Applied Computer Technologies, and I think they made cache and several other options. They were popular back in the day. I have a bunch of their boards here. Paul On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > This board was sitting in

Re: Strange third party board in PDP-11/45

2018-07-21 Thread Bob Smith via cctalk
any identification number sn front or back? can tell from just that shot. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > This board was sitting in slot 21 of the backplane in a 11/45 > > https://i.imgur.com/ZYWZQCo.jpg > > What kind of board is this? > > It has 26 bipolar