Re: BASIC (Was: Reading HP2000 tapes

2018-07-18 Thread Chris Osborn via cctalk
On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > I would think that any interpreted BASIC would do this or for that matter any > interpreted language except maybe for APL You'd think so but many BASIC dialects don't fully tokenize. Many leave in all the extra spaces the user

Re: BASIC (Was: Reading HP2000 tapes

2018-07-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jul 18, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk > wrote: > > I would think that any interpreted BASIC would do this or for that matter any > interpreted language except maybe for APL which is pretty much written with > tokens anyway. One other exception I can think of is perl which

Re: BASIC (Was: Reading HP2000 tapes

2018-07-18 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
I would think that any interpreted BASIC would do this or for that matter any interpreted language except maybe for APL which is pretty much written with tokens anyway.  One other exception I can think of is perl  which is stored as source text.  Saving in tokenized form was good for to

Re: BASIC (Was: Reading HP2000 tapes

2018-07-18 Thread Curious Marc via cctalk
And so does the HP 85. Marc > On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk > wrote: > > The HP9830 (1972) with it's ROM'ed BASIC works this way. > LIST produces a 'cleaned up' version of the source code. > > > >> On 2018-Jul-17, at 1:21 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote: >> >>

Re: BASIC (Was: Reading HP2000 tapes

2018-07-17 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
The HP9830 (1972) with it's ROM'ed BASIC works this way. LIST produces a 'cleaned up' version of the source code. On 2018-Jul-17, at 1:21 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote: > I should also mention that for the IBM S/23, once the BASIC program is > entered, the original > source is

Re: BASIC (Was: Reading HP2000 tapes

2018-07-17 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
I should also mention that for the IBM S/23, once the BASIC program is entered, the original source is discarded and only the tokenized code remains (comments are retained as-is). The LIST command runs a de-tokenizer and reconstructs the original source (well close to it anyway). TTFN - Guy

Re: BASIC (Was: Reading HP2000 tapes

2018-07-17 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 03:53 PM 7/14/2018, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >On Sat, 14 Jul 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: >>isn't the basic programs also stored in tokinized forms!?!? > >Yes. >And the tokens are not the same between different brand implementations, or >even between different versions, such

Re: BASIC (Was: Reading HP2000 tapes

2018-07-14 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2018-07-14 5:10 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Apparently Eric Smith has already done so. > http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/software/tsbutils/ > > > You can still send me back to the sixties. > Hey, form an orderly queue, please!

Re: BASIC (Was: Reading HP2000 tapes

2018-07-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Apparently Eric Smith has already done so. http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/software/tsbutils/ You can still send me back to the sixties.