### Re: Bitsavers size

On 4/24/2017 5:30 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On 23 April 2017 at 16:53, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote: Or a single LTO3 cartridge, with room to spare ;-) So what we need to do is calculate the bandwidth of a truck full of LTO-3 tapes hurtling down a

### Re: Bitsavers size

On 23 April 2017 at 16:53, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote: > Or a single LTO3 cartridge, with room to spare ;-) So what we need to do is calculate the bandwidth of a truck full of LTO-3 tapes hurtling down a highway, surely? -- Liam Proven • Profile:

### Re: Bitsavers size

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 05:49:20PM +, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: > Ben asks: > > Just how big is the server? > > As a wish list, I've always wanted that as a offline set of DVD's for the > > common stuff. > > The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. > > So at 4.7G per DVD, it comes out to

### Re: Bitsavers size

lör 2017-04-22 klockan 10:13 -0700 skrev Fred Cisin via cctalk: > https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/ > > internet V Fedex > > Unfortunately, their 2040 number is based on an assumption that bandwidth > will continue to increase, but that media capacity won't. Andrew Tanenbaum makes another of those

### Re: Bitsavers size

t; Date: 4/22/17 12:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Bitsavers size https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/ internet V Fedex Unfortunately, their 2040 number is based on an assumption that bandwidth will cont

### Re: Bitsavers size

https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/ internet V Fedex Unfortunately, their 2040 number is based on an assumption that bandwidth will continue to increase, but that media capacity won't.

### Re: Bitsavers size

But wouldn't a nice tape be a much more appropriate distribution medium? On Sat, 22 Apr 2017, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: For the record, I have no intention of creating these "more appropriate" distribution media for anyone. OK, we'll cancel the project of getting you a farm of

### Re: Bitsavers size

On 4/22/17 8:22 AM, Joseph Zatarski via cctalk wrote: > But wouldn't a nice tape be a much more appropriate distribution > medium? For the record, I have no intention of creating these "more appropriate" distribution media for anyone.

### Bitsavers size

>Just how big is the server? >As a wish list, I've always wanted that as a offline set of DVD's >for the common stuff. >Ben. But wouldn't a nice tape be a much more appropriate distribution medium? I've got an LTO-3 drive here, and that's 400GB/tape. It'd only take one tape to hold bitsavers. :)

### Re: Bitsavers size

"Shoppa, Tim" wrote: The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. And growing. I just sent Al a CD with 450 MB of scans of old obscure IBM manuals from the late 1960s and early 1970s. One example: 225-3360-1 2030 Processing Unit Field Engineering Theory of Operation (It describes

### Re: Bitsavers size

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > >> > My back of the envelope calculation comes to approximately >> > 4 million miles of paper tape. >> >> I think you're out by a factor of 10 267*10^9 bytes, divide by 10 as >> there are >> 10 bytes to the

### Re: Bitsavers size

On 4/21/2017 11:35 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: Bit savers is only 267 gigs? Now if you want to archive "PORN are US" that is bit bigger. :) Ben.

### Re: Bitsavers size

> On Apr 21, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk > wrote: > > > >>> My back of the envelope calculation comes to approximately >>> 4 million miles of paper tape. >> >> I think you're out by a factor of 10 267*10^9 bytes, divide by 10 as >> there are >> 10

### RE: Bitsavers size

Bit savers is only 267 gigs? On Apr 21, 2017 12:25 PM, "Rob Jarratt via cctalk" wrote: > > > > > My back of the envelope calculation comes to approximately > > > 4 million miles of paper tape. > > > > I think you're out by a factor of 10 267*10^9 bytes, divide by 10

### RE: Bitsavers size

> > My back of the envelope calculation comes to approximately > > 4 million miles of paper tape. > > I think you're out by a factor of 10 267*10^9 bytes, divide by 10 as > there are > 10 bytes to the inch on paper tape, and convert to miles. I get just over > 400,000 > miles. > Agreed,

### RE: Bitsavers size

Alexandre wrote... -- Is there interesting of having a "comunity backup" of bitsavers in Brazil? -- I just host the main repository and rsyncd to the mirrors. The site is 100% owned and maintained by Al Kossow. So you'd need to ask that question of Al as he's the one that decides

### Re: Bitsavers size

- Original Message - From: "Tony Duell via cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> To: <r...@jarratt.me.uk> Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org>; "Shoppa, Tim" <tsho...@wmata.com> Sent: Thursda

### Re: Bitsavers size

Is there interesting of having a "comunity backup" of bitsavers in Brazil? Here in Sao Paulo we have a network maintained by friends. When we meet, we all r-sync our secondary backups and when we get home, r-sync the primary backups. We have many data repositories in safe harbour, and we would be

### Re: Bitsavers size

At the risk of sounding like a nitpicker, I think that mainly depends on if it's a motorway, a highway or the Autobahn. /y On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 at 22:12, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > On Apr 20, 2017 1:59 PM, "Rich Alderson via cctalk" > > wrote:

### Re: Bitsavers size

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > >> > The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. >> > >> > So at 4.7G per DVD, it comes out to almost 60 DVD's. >> >> That is not totally ridiculous >> >> Now, if I want bitsavers on paper tape >> >> > > > My

### Re: Bitsavers size

On 04/20/2017 02:35 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > It would only be a bit more than a million 8" SSSD floppies. Best to be period-correct. First 72 columns of an 80-colum punched card. Wonder if you could find a card punch that could do the deed before it broke down. --Chuck

### RE: Bitsavers size

The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. So at 4.7G per DVD, it comes out to almost 60 DVD's. I would suggest using Blue-Ray media, at 25GB or 50GB per disk. We're then down to 6 or 11 platters. It would only be a bit more than a million 8" SSSD floppies. Cheapest might be to send it out on a

### Re: Bitsavers size

On 04/20/2017 02:12 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > What's the thoughput of a station wagon full of Blue-Ray discs > hurtling down the highway? Depends on the destination. For Tristan da Cunha, I'd say it was zero. --Chuck

### RE: Bitsavers size

On Apr 20, 2017 1:59 PM, "Rich Alderson via cctalk" wrote: I would suggest using Blue-Ray media, at 25GB or 50GB per disk. We're then down to 6 or 11 platters. What's the thoughput of a station wagon full of Blue-Ray discs hurtling down the highway?

### RE: Bitsavers size

From: Shoppa, Tim Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:49 AM > Ben asks: >> Just how big is the server? >> As a wish list, I've always wanted that as a offline set of DVD's for the >> common stuff. > The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. > So at 4.7G per DVD, it comes out to almost 60 DVD's. > I

### RE: Bitsavers size

> > The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. > > > > So at 4.7G per DVD, it comes out to almost 60 DVD's. > > That is not totally ridiculous > > Now, if I want bitsavers on paper tape > > > My back of the envelope calculation comes to approximately 4 million miles of paper tape.

### Re: Bitsavers size

On 04/20/2017 10:49 AM, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: > I remember a PDQ Bach radio quiz show where the prize was The Wagner > Ring Cycle on convenient 45 RPM records. Not to throw a wet blanket on Prof. Schickele's gag, but there *were* (and still are--Standard Vinyl will cut them for you) 12"

### Re: Bitsavers size

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk > wrote: > > Ben asks: >> Just how big is the server? >> As a wish list, I've always wanted that as a offline set of DVD's for the >> common stuff. > > The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. > > So at 4.7G per DVD,

### Re: Bitsavers size

On 4/20/2017 11:49 AM, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: Ben asks: Just how big is the server? As a wish list, I've always wanted that as a offline set of DVD's for the common stuff. The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. So at 4.7G per DVD, it comes out to almost 60 DVD's. I remember a PDQ Bach

### Re: Bitsavers size

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: > Ben asks: >> Just how big is the server? >> As a wish list, I've always wanted that as a offline set of DVD's for the >> common stuff. > > The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. > > So at 4.7G per DVD, it comes

### Bitsavers size

Ben asks: > Just how big is the server? > As a wish list, I've always wanted that as a offline set of DVD's for the > common stuff. The bitsavers archive is 267 Gbytes. So at 4.7G per DVD, it comes out to almost 60 DVD's. I remember a PDQ Bach radio quiz show where the prize was The Wagner