Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-09 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 5:24 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > BTW, your neat hack to do that only works on the RK11-C, and not the RK11-D: > the latter doesn't implement 'Read/Write-All'. Yup -- this is one of the lesser-known advantages of the RK11-C over the later controllers. Another

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Fritz Mueller > In at least one case of attempting to recover a pac BTW, your neat hack to do that only works on the RK11-C, and not the RK11-D: the latter doesn't implement 'Read/Write-All'. Noel

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> the Unix V6 RK pack formatter ... sets _both_ 'Format' and > 'Read/Write-All Oooops; my bad; I mis-read the register description. It's setting 'Inhibit Bus Address Increment' and 'Format', not 'Format' and 'Read/Write-All'. So ignore my speculation about 'Read/Write-All' not getting the

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-09 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > ... the Unix V6 RK pack formatter ... > sets _both_ 'Format' and 'Read/Write-All', and _doesn't_ set up the sector > header words in the memory buffer, arguing that even with 'Read/Write-All' on, > the hardware is still

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> Fron: Jon Elson > The write all function is likely how you format a blank pack. No, 'Format' is a separate bit in the CSR from 'Read/Write-All', and they do different things. The RK11 always re-writes the header word of each sector when it writes a sector in normal operation; when

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-09 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 02/08/2021 11:37 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 10:22 PM Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote: On nice thing about this controller is that it supports "Read/Write All" mode, which lets you read or write the raw bitstream including block headers. This can be useful

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Ethan Dicks > I do have a replica KM-11 set that I need to construct. You'll need the RK11-C overlays (shown on pg 6-2 of the RK11-c Manual). (My set of overlays from Guy with his KM11 replica included them; thanks Guy :-). > From: Fritz Mueller > The cables are

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-09 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
I have two backplanes and a diablo drive if anyone is interested. Paul On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:38 PM Ethan Dicks via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 10:22 PM Fritz Mueller via cctalk > wrote: > > Yup, RK11-C, and it seems complete (modulo drive cables and >

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-08 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 10:22 PM Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote: > Yup, RK11-C, and it seems complete (modulo drive cables and terminators.) I > have > one debugged and running in my '11/45, so I know it well. I've had one for years but I haven't tried working on it yet. > > On Feb 8, 2021, at

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-08 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
Yup, RK11-C, and it seems complete (modulo drive cables and terminators.) I have one debugged and running in my '11/45, so I know it well. > On Feb 8, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk > wrote: > The ribbon cables are a bit out of place... perhaps they were just > stuffed into empty

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-08 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Degnan via cctalk wrote: If you search ebay for "DEC RK11-C Disk Controller", you'll find a listing of a backplane of flipchip cards, but it's not like any RK11-C I have ever seen. Am I right, this is a mis-labeled auction? It seems to match fairly well with the module layout for the sta

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-08 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I suppose I am... On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 6:14 PM Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: > It looks like it could be an RK11-C. Are you possibly thinking of the > RK11-D which fits in a BA11 chassis? > > TTFN - Guy > > On 2/8/21 2:53 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > If you s

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-08 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:53 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > If you search ebay for "DEC RK11-C Disk Controller", you'll find a listing > of a backplane of flipchip cards, but it's not like any RK11-C I have ever > seen. Am I right, this is a mis-labeled auction? It seems t

Re: DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-08 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
It looks like it could be an RK11-C.  Are you possibly thinking of the RK11-D which fits in a BA11 chassis? TTFN - Guy On 2/8/21 2:53 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: If you search ebay for "DEC RK11-C Disk Controller", you'll find a listing of a backplane of flipchip cards

DEC RK11-C Disk Controller - on ebay...or is it?

2021-02-08 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
If you search ebay for "DEC RK11-C Disk Controller", you'll find a listing of a backplane of flipchip cards, but it's not like any RK11-C I have ever seen. Am I right, this is a mis-labeled auction? Bill