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On 07/14/2017 11:32 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Many, many years ago I acquired a bunch of Terak micros from a storage locker. It was being leased by my employer and no one had been tracking what was stored there. One day a beancounter showed up, questioned the monthly payment and

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> On Jul 14, 2017, at 5:59 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > > This is often called "The Information Era". > > I've always called it "The Information Lost Era". > > You may quote me. > > Why the NASA person said to immediately destroy the tapes, one can only guess. > >

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and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Depressing article On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Eric Christopherson < echristopher...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >> https://arstechnica.co.uk/sci

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Eric Christopherson < echristopher...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >> https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engi >> neer-basement/ >> >> of events that happened

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engineer-basement/ > > of events that happened two years ago that had to be obtained through a > NASA FOIA request > Another depressing recent

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='[ -- Anders Nelson +1 (517) 775-6129 www.erogear.com On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:06 PM, jim stephens via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 7/14/2017 9:39 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > >> You have no idea how much data is stashed away in the form of tape in a >> NASA/JPL

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On 7/14/2017 9:39 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: You have no idea how much data is stashed away in the form of tape in a NASA/JPL warehouse. Many of the tapes have very sketchy labels--you have to remember that NASA is a lot like many of contract vendors like Lockheed. A project winds

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On 7/14/17 9:34 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > PR black eye? I doubt it. Who, other than the people here, is ever going > to hear about it? anyone who saw the story posted on arstechnica.co.uk today, which is where the original posting points to

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On 07/14/2017 08:37 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > Calculations of how much storage would be required aren't of much > interest if the data itself isn't safely or cost effectively recoverable. > > The fault here isn't with NASA -- it's that few of us are able to store > artefacts in suitable

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@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Depressing article On 7/14/17 7:45 AM, Ian McLaughlin via cctalk wrote: >> > Why would NASA say “destroy the tapes” ? Because they are a health risk, they have no facilities to recover the data, and someone decided they didn't have a budget to attempt to pres

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om: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of systems_glitch via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 10:35 AM To: Al Kossow; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Depressing article Unfortunately this seems to be what happens with a lot of old

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On 2017-07-14 11:13 AM, Doug Ingraham via cctalk wrote: The amount of data stored on 325 tapes would have been at most 58.5 gigabytes assuming 6250 encoding and single records over the length of the tape. Given the time frame I would guess that these were probably only 800 bpi and thus the max

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The amount of data stored on 325 tapes would have been at most 58.5 gigabytes assuming 6250 encoding and single records over the length of the tape. Given the time frame I would guess that these were probably only 800 bpi and thus the max would have been 7.5 gigabytes. And probably at most half

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Ed Thierbach via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Why would NASA say “destroy the tapes” ? > > > > If I'm reading the report correctly, the tapes were quite infected with > mold, and probably unreadable. I'd guess it wouldn't be worth the health >

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> > Why would NASA say “destroy the tapes” ? > If I'm reading the report correctly, the tapes were quite infected with mold, and probably unreadable. I'd guess it wouldn't be worth the health hazard to try, especially given NASA's view that there was nothing historically significant there.

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On 7/14/17 7:45 AM, Ian McLaughlin via cctalk wrote: >> > Why would NASA say “destroy the tapes” ? Because they are a health risk, they have no facilities to recover the data, and someone decided they didn't have a budget to attempt to preserve them given they have no idea what is on them.

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> >> >> https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engineer-basement/ >> >> of events that happened two years ago that had to be obtained through a >> NASA FOIA request >> >> >> > > > Unfortunately this seems to be what happens with a lot of old engineers' > hardware. > >

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Tell me about it. We get a lot of calls from widows in the valley. I have other people deal with it now, because I find going there too depressing. I wonder if the guy had the CDC 160 that would have gone with those 162 tape drives or how much documentation was ignored and dumpstered. On 7/14/17

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Unfortunately this seems to be what happens with a lot of old engineers' hardware. Thanks, Jonathan On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engineer-basement/ > > of events that happened

Depressing article

https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2017/07/nasa-computer-engineer-basement/ of events that happened two years ago that had to be obtained through a NASA FOIA request