Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 5/24/2017 5:23 PM, Ian Finder via cctalk wrote:

JP wrote:

Randy, with all due respect, have you seen how much an Apple 1 or a

Lisa... or even their_drives_  go for lately?
Yes and I would never keep such in a home w/o proper security. Someone 
with $1m assets should not have them were they can be casually accessed 
or stolen.


you are talking about a couple of people out of the thousands who have 
piles of what is steel breakage and a bit of copper scrap to thieves.  
And I don't know any of them that want such.


As Ian says, lots of weight, probably $5 copper for one Symbolics box.

On the other hand a bolt cutter and less muscle, they can chop the A/C 
condenser lines and get $100.  no brains, no shopping.


happend to me.  Just with I'd had cyanide or ammonia gas to release when 
the pricks stole mine.


The Revision 2 implementation that I put in to replace the means it is 
secured now will take a long time, or a small bobcat to pull it out now.


thanks
jim

Re: Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Ian Finder via cctalk]

JP wrote:
>Randy, with all due respect, have you seen how much an Apple 1 or a
Lisa... or even their _drives_ go for lately?
>Symbolics machines? Crays? One-offs or limited-run machines?

While an honor to see my old favorite- the Symbolics- in a line with Cray
and Apple 1, they ain't THAT expensive. Just a couple guys this year got
into it on a few auctions. I've seen 11/40s go for far more. :)

On that note- I'd also *love* to see someone try and make it out of my
house with one. Enjoy your hernia.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 6:23 AM, JP Hindin via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org
> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 24 May 2017, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Anybody that is paranoid about telling their location and the computer
>> dinosaurs running in their basement needs a head alignment.
>>
>> Another case of some guy over-estimating the worth of the junk we hold on
>> to.  It is zero, of value to only us that play with it.
>>
>> And our numbers are diminishing every day.
>>
>
> Randy, with all due respect, have you seen how much an Apple 1 or a
> Lisa... or even their _drives_ go for lately? Symbolics machines? Crays?
> One-offs or limited-run machines?
>
> While I don't disagree that a lot of us (without question myself included)
> vastly overrate their collection of bits and pieces, that is not to say
> that _some_ of them can be worth staggering amounts of money to the right
> people.
>
> And people have broken into places for dollars worth of easily portable
> things - let alone tens of thousands+ worth.
>
> Caution is not undue or unwise.
>
>  - JP
>
>
> ____
>> From: jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:26 PM
>> To: Randy Dawson; steven stengel
>> Subject: Fwd: Re: Directory of old computer collectors
>>
>>
>> Randy,
>> I'm sort of running interference for STeve on the list.  Since his email
>> is cc'd here and he's a subscriber I suspect has seen this.
>>
>> the tost...@yahoo.com<mailto:tost...@yahoo.com> is his email for these
>> computer matters.
>>
>> People are getting a bit torqued out over non issues, I think, thanks for
>> chiming in.  Hopefully we can all help each others collecting efforts with
>> a bit of visibility.
>>
>> thanks
>> jim
>>
>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject:Re: Directory of old computer collectors
>> Date:   Wed, 24 May 2017 05:19:41 +
>> From:   Randy Dawson <rdawso...@hotmail.com><mailto:rdawso...@hotmail.com
>> >
>> To: jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com><mailto:jwsm...@jwsss.com>,
>> steven stengel <tost...@yahoo.com><mailto:tost...@yahoo.com>, General
>> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>>
>> add me to your list.
>>
>>
>> I am in Thousand Oaks, CA (Los Angeles area).
>>
>>
>> I have a Tektronix 4051 vector graphics computer running, just BASIC
>> games at the moment. I have  a Compaq Model 1 with the PC-IDE flash setup,
>> running Autocad, Versacad, Dr. Halo, Turbo-C, MS-Fortran.
>>
>>
>> I am in conversation with some Tek guys to add a modern RAM flash drive
>> to the 4051 to replace the DC300 tape.  We are about to build some PCBs for
>> it, let me know if you have a 4051.
>>
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk-bounces@classi
>> ccmp.org> on behalf of steven stengel via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org
>> ><mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:05 PM
>> To: jim stephens; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors
>>
>> I will post anything you want me to, just tell me.
>> email is not necessary, a link or website will do fine as well.The map is
>> intended to be a method to see who's where for assistance, trading,
>> meet-ups, etc.There's hundreds of people here, but few know where each
>> other live, I suppose.
>>
>>
>>
>>  From: jim stephens via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2017 11:06 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Wed, 24 May 2017, Gary Oliver via cctalk wrote:
What is the age requirement to be eligible for inclusion in the old 'computer 
collectors' list? :-)


old enough that you should know better?


The computers do not need to be older than the people on the list,
so long as they will get off of my lawn.

--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[ben via cctalk]

On 5/24/2017 4:17 PM, Gary Oliver via cctalk wrote:

What is the age requirement to be eligible for inclusion in the old
'computer collectors' list? :-)


You need glasses to read this message.


-Gary

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Gary Oliver via cctalk]

What is the age requirement to be eligible for inclusion in the old 
'computer collectors' list? :-)


-Gary

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[william degnan via cctalk]

Anyway.  I don't need to be added to any more pages that publicly list my
contact info that I do not have control over, thank you.  I need to see
before I approve something like that.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 24.05.2017 09:58, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:
>
>> It seems that you are suggesting people are worried about their
>> collections
>> being attractive to thieves. Well, that may be true for the lucky few, but
>> for me it is simply about coordinates for identity theft and other kinds
>> of
>> criminality.
>>
> Paranoia...!
>
> I am Philipp Hachtmann, located in Hannover, Germany. I own some old
> computers.
> My telephone number can be found in the phone book, on my website and via
> yellow pages. The address as well. I want them to be known. To be called.
> To be visited. For business as well.
> That does not imply that I'm a sloppy idiot who doesn't care. I decide
> what to share and what not. And keeping contact information secret is
> obviously useless in most cases. I even don't care about having my Email
> published. I have spamassasin.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Cameron Kaiser via cctalk]

> > Anybody that is paranoid about telling their location and the computer
> > dinosaurs running in their basement needs a head alignment.
> 
> Randy, with all due respect, have you seen how much an Apple 1 or a 
> Lisa... or even their _drives_ go for lately? Symbolics machines? Crays? 
> One-offs or limited-run machines?
> 
> While I don't disagree that a lot of us (without question myself included) 
> vastly overrate their collection of bits and pieces, that is not to say 
> that _some_ of them can be worth staggering amounts of money to the right 
> people.

And let's not forget that crooks can overestimate how much they can fence
an item for, too. They may be wrong, but you're still out the unit plus any
damage they caused.

eBay's been great for thieves as well.

-- 
 personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
  Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com
-- If two wrongs don't make a right, try three. -- Laurence J. Peter --

Re: Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[JP Hindin via cctalk]

On Wed, 24 May 2017, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:

Hi Jim,

Anybody that is paranoid about telling their location and the computer 
dinosaurs running in their basement needs a head alignment.

Another case of some guy over-estimating the worth of the junk we hold on to.  
It is zero, of value to only us that play with it.

And our numbers are diminishing every day.


Randy, with all due respect, have you seen how much an Apple 1 or a 
Lisa... or even their _drives_ go for lately? Symbolics machines? Crays? 
One-offs or limited-run machines?


While I don't disagree that a lot of us (without question myself included) 
vastly overrate their collection of bits and pieces, that is not to say 
that _some_ of them can be worth staggering amounts of money to the right 
people.


And people have broken into places for dollars worth of easily portable 
things - let alone tens of thousands+ worth.


Caution is not undue or unwise.

 - JP



From: jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:26 PM
To: Randy Dawson; steven stengel
Subject: Fwd: Re: Directory of old computer collectors


Randy,
I'm sort of running interference for STeve on the list.  Since his email is 
cc'd here and he's a subscriber I suspect has seen this.

the tost...@yahoo.com<mailto:tost...@yahoo.com> is his email for these computer 
matters.

People are getting a bit torqued out over non issues, I think, thanks for 
chiming in.  Hopefully we can all help each others collecting efforts with a 
bit of visibility.

thanks
jim


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Directory of old computer collectors
Date:   Wed, 24 May 2017 05:19:41 +
From:   Randy Dawson <rdawso...@hotmail.com><mailto:rdawso...@hotmail.com>
To: jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com><mailto:jwsm...@jwsss.com>, steven stengel 
<tost...@yahoo.com><mailto:tost...@yahoo.com>, General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
<cctalk@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>



Hi Jim,


add me to your list.


I am in Thousand Oaks, CA (Los Angeles area).


I have a Tektronix 4051 vector graphics computer running, just BASIC games at 
the moment. I have  a Compaq Model 1 with the PC-IDE flash setup, running 
Autocad, Versacad, Dr. Halo, Turbo-C, MS-Fortran.


I am in conversation with some Tek guys to add a modern RAM flash drive to the 
4051 to replace the DC300 tape.  We are about to build some PCBs for it, let me 
know if you have a 4051.


Randy



From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on 
behalf of steven stengel via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:05 PM
To: jim stephens; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors

I will post anything you want me to, just tell me.
email is not necessary, a link or website will do fine as well.The map is 
intended to be a method to see who's where for assistance, trading, meet-ups, 
etc.There's hundreds of people here, but few know where each other live, I 
suppose.



 From: jim stephens via cctalk 
<cctalk@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors



On 5/22/2017 11:06 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 16:29:22 -0400
william degnan via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> 
wrote:


can you send a link to the people who are on the list so they can see
their listing?  I personally don't mind as long as any record that
includes me personally does not include my email address or phone
number.I much prefer to send people to my web page contact form.

Folks who are on the list should have the opportunity to approve what
will and will not be posted about them. That's not only a legal
requirement in many States, but also common courtesy.

Regards,
Lyle

You do get that this isn't cctalk, but one that people had already sent
contact info for.  I sent him revised publishable contact info for the
list.  I realize he probably made the request w/o 40 pages of consent
forms to read, but he seems to just be asking to allow him to publish
from that list, and a note here for anyone who didn't see it in their
email, since the respondents came from here.

thanks
jim


On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:


Hi,
In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old
computer collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make
this list PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location,
email, and collecting preferenc

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[allison via cctalk]

On 05/24/2017 03:58 AM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Randy
>> Dawson via cctalk
>> Sent: 24 May 2017 07:47
>> To: jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com>; steven stengel <tost...@yahoo.com>;
>> General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>> Subject: Re: Re: Directory of old computer collectors
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>>
>> Anybody that is paranoid about telling their location and the computer
>> dinosaurs running in their basement needs a head alignment.
>>
>
> It seems that you are suggesting people are worried about their collections
> being attractive to thieves. Well, that may be true for the lucky few, but
> for me it is simply about coordinates for identity theft and other kinds of
> criminality.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
>
Rob hit the nail.

I think the collection has limited value at best and likely only a few
select pieces.

However,  To make the point to someone I showed them what they put on
the net and then
compiled it into a picture of who, what, and even when.  They
immediately stopped posting
all their daily activities and much of the personal stuff.

In my case if you can't figure out where I am from a ham call your
beyond hope
and unlikely to be a risk.

Allison

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[william degnan via cctalk]

Can you please send out the url of this list, and on the list a reliable
way to contact the list maintainer?

Bill Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net
On May 24, 2017 1:19 AM, "Randy Dawson via cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
>
> add me to your list.
>
>
> I am in Thousand Oaks, CA (Los Angeles area).
>
>
> I have a Tektronix 4051 vector graphics computer running, just BASIC games
> at the moment. I have  a Compaq Model 1 with the PC-IDE flash setup,
> running Autocad, Versacad, Dr. Halo, Turbo-C, MS-Fortran.
>
>
> I am in conversation with some Tek guys to add a modern RAM flash drive to
> the 4051 to replace the DC300 tape.  We are about to build some PCBs for
> it, let me know if you have a 4051.
>
>
> Randy
>
>
> 
> From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of steven stengel
> via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: jim stephens; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors
>
> I will post anything you want me to, just tell me.
> email is not necessary, a link or website will do fine as well.The map is
> intended to be a method to see who's where for assistance, trading,
> meet-ups, etc.There's hundreds of people here, but few know where each
> other live, I suppose.
>
>
>
>   From: jim stephens via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>  To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:09 AM
>  Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors
>
>
>
> On 5/22/2017 11:06 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 May 2017 16:29:22 -0400
> > william degnan via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> can you send a link to the people who are on the list so they can see
> >> their listing?  I personally don't mind as long as any record that
> >> includes me personally does not include my email address or phone
> >> number.I much prefer to send people to my web page contact form.
> > Folks who are on the list should have the opportunity to approve what
> > will and will not be posted about them. That's not only a legal
> > requirement in many States, but also common courtesy.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lyle
> You do get that this isn't cctalk, but one that people had already sent
> contact info for.  I sent him revised publishable contact info for the
> list.  I realize he probably made the request w/o 40 pages of consent
> forms to read, but he seems to just be asking to allow him to publish
> from that list, and a note here for anyone who didn't see it in their
> email, since the respondents came from here.
>
> thanks
> jim
>
> >> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk <
> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old
> >>> computer collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
> >>> Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make
> >>> this list PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location,
> >>> email, and collecting preferences.
> >>> Since I don't have anyone's explicit permission to publish their
> >>> information, I am now asking.
> >>> Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on
> >>> the public webpage.
> >>> Thanks-
> >>> Steven Stengelhttp://oldcomputers.net/
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

RE: Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Rob Jarratt via cctalk]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Randy
> Dawson via cctalk
> Sent: 24 May 2017 07:47
> To: jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com>; steven stengel <tost...@yahoo.com>;
> General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Re: Directory of old computer collectors
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> 
> Anybody that is paranoid about telling their location and the computer
> dinosaurs running in their basement needs a head alignment.
> 


It seems that you are suggesting people are worried about their collections
being attractive to thieves. Well, that may be true for the lucky few, but
for me it is simply about coordinates for identity theft and other kinds of
criminality.

Regards

Rob

Re: Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Randy Dawson via cctalk]

Hi Jim,


Anybody that is paranoid about telling their location and the computer 
dinosaurs running in their basement needs a head alignment.


Another case of some guy over-estimating the worth of the junk we hold on to.  
It is zero, of value to only us that play with it.


And our numbers are diminishing every day.


Randy







From: jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:26 PM
To: Randy Dawson; steven stengel
Subject: Fwd: Re: Directory of old computer collectors


Randy,
I'm sort of running interference for STeve on the list.  Since his email is 
cc'd here and he's a subscriber I suspect has seen this.

the tost...@yahoo.com<mailto:tost...@yahoo.com> is his email for these computer 
matters.

People are getting a bit torqued out over non issues, I think, thanks for 
chiming in.  Hopefully we can all help each others collecting efforts with a 
bit of visibility.

thanks
jim


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Directory of old computer collectors
Date:   Wed, 24 May 2017 05:19:41 +
From:   Randy Dawson <rdawso...@hotmail.com><mailto:rdawso...@hotmail.com>
To: jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com><mailto:jwsm...@jwsss.com>, steven 
stengel <tost...@yahoo.com><mailto:tost...@yahoo.com>, General Discussion: 
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
<cctalk@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>



Hi Jim,


add me to your list.


I am in Thousand Oaks, CA (Los Angeles area).


I have a Tektronix 4051 vector graphics computer running, just BASIC games at 
the moment. I have  a Compaq Model 1 with the PC-IDE flash setup, running 
Autocad, Versacad, Dr. Halo, Turbo-C, MS-Fortran.


I am in conversation with some Tek guys to add a modern RAM flash drive to the 
4051 to replace the DC300 tape.  We are about to build some PCBs for it, let me 
know if you have a 4051.


Randy



From: cctalk 
<cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf 
of steven stengel via cctalk 
<cctalk@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:05 PM
To: jim stephens; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors

I will post anything you want me to, just tell me.
email is not necessary, a link or website will do fine as well.The map is 
intended to be a method to see who's where for assistance, trading, meet-ups, 
etc.There's hundreds of people here, but few know where each other live, I 
suppose.



  From: jim stephens via cctalk 
<cctalk@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>
 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>
 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:09 AM
 Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors



On 5/22/2017 11:06 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
> On Mon, 22 May 2017 16:29:22 -0400
> william degnan via cctalk 
> <cctalk@classiccmp.org><mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> can you send a link to the people who are on the list so they can see
>> their listing?  I personally don't mind as long as any record that
>> includes me personally does not include my email address or phone
>> number.I much prefer to send people to my web page contact form.
> Folks who are on the list should have the opportunity to approve what
> will and will not be posted about them. That's not only a legal
> requirement in many States, but also common courtesy.
>
> Regards,
> Lyle
You do get that this isn't cctalk, but one that people had already sent
contact info for.  I sent him revised publishable contact info for the
list.  I realize he probably made the request w/o 40 pages of consent
forms to read, but he seems to just be asking to allow him to publish
from that list, and a note here for anyone who didn't see it in their
email, since the respondents came from here.

thanks
jim

>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old
>>> computer collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
>>> Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make
>>> this list PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location,
>>> email, and collecting preferences.
>>> Since I don't have anyone's explicit permission to publish their
>>> information, I am now asking.
>>> Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on
>>> the public webpage.
>>> Thanks-
>>> Steven Stengelhttp://oldcomputers.net/
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Randy Dawson via cctalk]

Hi Jim,


add me to your list.


I am in Thousand Oaks, CA (Los Angeles area).


I have a Tektronix 4051 vector graphics computer running, just BASIC games at 
the moment. I have  a Compaq Model 1 with the PC-IDE flash setup, running 
Autocad, Versacad, Dr. Halo, Turbo-C, MS-Fortran.


I am in conversation with some Tek guys to add a modern RAM flash drive to the 
4051 to replace the DC300 tape.  We are about to build some PCBs for it, let me 
know if you have a 4051.


Randy



From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of steven stengel via 
cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:05 PM
To: jim stephens; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors

I will post anything you want me to, just tell me.
email is not necessary, a link or website will do fine as well.The map is 
intended to be a method to see who's where for assistance, trading, meet-ups, 
etc.There's hundreds of people here, but few know where each other live, I 
suppose.



  From: jim stephens via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:09 AM
 Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors



On 5/22/2017 11:06 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
> On Mon, 22 May 2017 16:29:22 -0400
> william degnan via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> can you send a link to the people who are on the list so they can see
>> their listing?  I personally don't mind as long as any record that
>> includes me personally does not include my email address or phone
>> number.I much prefer to send people to my web page contact form.
> Folks who are on the list should have the opportunity to approve what
> will and will not be posted about them. That's not only a legal
> requirement in many States, but also common courtesy.
>
> Regards,
> Lyle
You do get that this isn't cctalk, but one that people had already sent
contact info for.  I sent him revised publishable contact info for the
list.  I realize he probably made the request w/o 40 pages of consent
forms to read, but he seems to just be asking to allow him to publish
from that list, and a note here for anyone who didn't see it in their
email, since the respondents came from here.

thanks
jim

>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old
>>> computer collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
>>> Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make
>>> this list PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location,
>>> email, and collecting preferences.
>>> Since I don't have anyone's explicit permission to publish their
>>> information, I am now asking.
>>> Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on
>>> the public webpage.
>>> Thanks-
>>> Steven Stengelhttp://oldcomputers.net/
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[steven stengel via cctalk]

I will post anything you want me to, just tell me.
email is not necessary, a link or website will do fine as well.The map is 
intended to be a method to see who's where for assistance, trading, meet-ups, 
etc.There's hundreds of people here, but few know where each other live, I 
suppose.



  From: jim stephens via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:09 AM
 Subject: Re: Directory of old computer collectors
   


On 5/22/2017 11:06 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
> On Mon, 22 May 2017 16:29:22 -0400
> william degnan via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> can you send a link to the people who are on the list so they can see
>> their listing?  I personally don't mind as long as any record that
>> includes me personally does not include my email address or phone
>> number.    I much prefer to send people to my web page contact form.
> Folks who are on the list should have the opportunity to approve what
> will and will not be posted about them. That's not only a legal
> requirement in many States, but also common courtesy.
>
> Regards,
> Lyle
You do get that this isn't cctalk, but one that people had already sent 
contact info for.  I sent him revised publishable contact info for the 
list.  I realize he probably made the request w/o 40 pages of consent 
forms to read, but he seems to just be asking to allow him to publish 
from that list, and a note here for anyone who didn't see it in their 
email, since the respondents came from here.

thanks
jim

>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old
>>> computer collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
>>> Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make
>>> this list PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location,
>>> email, and collecting preferences.
>>> Since I don't have anyone's explicit permission to publish their
>>> information, I am now asking.
>>> Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on
>>> the public webpage.
>>> Thanks-
>>> Steven Stengelhttp://oldcomputers.net/
>>>
>>>  
>
>



   

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 5/22/2017 11:06 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 16:29:22 -0400
william degnan via cctalk  wrote:


can you send a link to the people who are on the list so they can see
their listing?  I personally don't mind as long as any record that
includes me personally does not include my email address or phone
number.I much prefer to send people to my web page contact form.

Folks who are on the list should have the opportunity to approve what
will and will not be posted about them. That's not only a legal
requirement in many States, but also common courtesy.

Regards,
Lyle
You do get that this isn't cctalk, but one that people had already sent 
contact info for.  I sent him revised publishable contact info for the 
list.  I realize he probably made the request w/o 40 pages of consent 
forms to read, but he seems to just be asking to allow him to publish 
from that list, and a note here for anyone who didn't see it in their 
email, since the respondents came from here.


thanks
jim


On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:


Hi,
In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old
computer collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make
this list PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location,
email, and collecting preferences.
Since I don't have anyone's explicit permission to publish their
information, I am now asking.
Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on
the public webpage.
Thanks-
Steven Stengelhttp://oldcomputers.net/

  

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk]

Hi

I don't think I'm on this list, and I prefer not to be.

Thanks,
Pontus.

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 08:19:35PM +, steven stengel via cctalk wrote:
> Hi,
> In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old computer 
> collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
> Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make this list 
> PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location, email, and collecting 
> preferences.
> Since I don't have anyone's explicit permission to publish their information, 
> I am now asking.
> Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on the public 
> webpage.
> Thanks-
> Steven Stengelhttp://oldcomputers.net/
> 

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Lyle Bickley via cctalk]

On Mon, 22 May 2017 16:29:22 -0400
william degnan via cctalk  wrote:

> can you send a link to the people who are on the list so they can see
> their listing?  I personally don't mind as long as any record that
> includes me personally does not include my email address or phone
> number.I much prefer to send people to my web page contact form.

Folks who are on the list should have the opportunity to approve what
will and will not be posted about them. That's not only a legal
requirement in many States, but also common courtesy.

Regards,
Lyle

> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:  
> 
> > Hi,
> > In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old
> > computer collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
> > Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make
> > this list PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location,
> > email, and collecting preferences.
> > Since I don't have anyone's explicit permission to publish their
> > information, I am now asking.
> > Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on
> > the public webpage.
> > Thanks-
> > Steven Stengelhttp://oldcomputers.net/
> >
> >  



-- 
73  AF6WS
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com

"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[allison via cctalk]

On 05/22/2017 07:44 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
>> On May 22, 2017, at 1:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on the 
>> public webpage.
> As long as it's just city and email address, I don't mind being on the list. 
> My email address and city are already all over the place, anyway. And while 
> I'm here, thanks again for the items which you have helped move to my 
> collection, and in one case through my collection to an even better home.
>
Same here city, state and email address is good.

Allison Parent, Framingham, MA  Email: kb1...@arrl.net (spam proofing
via reflector.)

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 5/22/2017 7:28 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:

I have no idea if I am on this list or not but I do not want to be on it at
all.

Likewise. Although I support the general notion, I have no idea if I was
listed on it either, and it would have been better to contact the people on
it individually regarding permission IMHO. I'd prefer not to paint a target
on my house if someone were searching the local assessor's database.

Steve sent out individual notifications, also.  I suspect the email to 
the list is to rouse those who may not have answered, or had emailed him 
on an old / disused email.


I gave permission.  My name isn't anywhere anyone can find an accurate 
location.  Used a special email on my domain, so can tell if it abused 
somehow, and also have a spam proof phone#.


I have no problem, would welcome people seeing my name and calling to 
see if I have interest or capability to look at vintage systems. Would 
call others and Steve if could pick up but not use.

thanks
jim

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Cameron Kaiser via cctalk]

> I have no idea if I am on this list or not but I do not want to be on it at
> all.

Likewise. Although I support the general notion, I have no idea if I was
listed on it either, and it would have been better to contact the people on
it individually regarding permission IMHO. I'd prefer not to paint a target
on my house if someone were searching the local assessor's database.

-- 
 personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
  Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com
-- 1-GHz Pentium-III + Java + XSLT == 1-MHz 6502. -- Craig Bruce --

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Mark J. Blair via cctalk]

> On May 22, 2017, at 1:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on the public 
> webpage.

As long as it's just city and email address, I don't mind being on the list. My 
email address and city are already all over the place, anyway. And while I'm 
here, thanks again for the items which you have helped move to my collection, 
and in one case through my collection to an even better home.

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X 
http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Ed via cctalk]

Risk indeed,..
 
Pity the   fool that  brags he has an  APPLE 1...
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/22/2017 2:06:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I really  think you should give people the chance to yay/neh their listing
and a way  to edit/delete.  Otherwise it's a potential risk.  Letting  the
world know who has what where coukld invite a thief under the  right
circumstances now that I think about it.

Bill  Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net
On May 22, 2017 4:57 PM,  "Jason Scott via cctalk" 
wrote:

> I  have no idea if I am on this list or not but I do not want to be on it 
 at
> all.
>
> On May 22, 2017 16:52, "Mark Linimon via  cctalk" 
> wrote:
>
> > I do  not want my location information published other than city.
>  >
> > mcl
>  >
>

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[william degnan via cctalk]

I really think you should give people the chance to yay/neh their listing
and a way to edit/delete.  Otherwise it's a potential risk.  Letting the
world know who has what where coukld invite a thief under the right
circumstances now that I think about it.

Bill Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net
On May 22, 2017 4:57 PM, "Jason Scott via cctalk" 
wrote:

> I have no idea if I am on this list or not but I do not want to be on it at
> all.
>
> On May 22, 2017 16:52, "Mark Linimon via cctalk" 
> wrote:
>
> > I do not want my location information published other than city.
> >
> > mcl
> >
>

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[Jason Scott via cctalk]

I have no idea if I am on this list or not but I do not want to be on it at
all.

On May 22, 2017 16:52, "Mark Linimon via cctalk" 
wrote:

> I do not want my location information published other than city.
>
> mcl
>

Re: Directory of old computer collectors #3

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 5/22/2017 1:34 PM, steven stengel via cctalk wrote:

Regarding the previous message, all email will be obfuscated to foil scrapers.
I already sent Steve a whitelisted email (unique to this use) and my 
spam proof phone# (Google Voice).  I hope this is handy for people as 
Steve gets a lot of stuff.  As one close by, I thank him for thinking of 
me for a lot he gets and doesn't have places in his collection for.  And 
it is impressive.


thanks
jim

Directory of old computer collectors #3

[steven stengel via cctalk]

Regarding the previous message, all email will be obfuscated to foil scrapers.

 

Directory of old computer collectors #2

[steven stengel via cctalk]

Regrading the previous message, the map would just show the city, not your 
actually home address, which I do not have, but to be honest, anyone could find 
it using the internet.

Re: Directory of old computer collectors

[william degnan via cctalk]

can you send a link to the people who are on the list so they can see their
listing?  I personally don't mind as long as any record that includes me
personally does not include my email address or phone number.I much
prefer to send people to my web page contact form.

Bill Degnan  Landenberg, PA. USA  Contact: vintagecomputer.net/contact.cfm



On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, steven stengel via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old computer
> collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
> Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make this
> list PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location, email, and
> collecting preferences.
> Since I don't have anyone's explicit permission to publish their
> information, I am now asking.
> Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on the
> public webpage.
> Thanks-
> Steven Stengelhttp://oldcomputers.net/
>
>

Directory of old computer collectors

[steven stengel via cctalk]

Hi,
In the past, I requested the email address and home city of old computer 
collectors to a compile a list for my own purposes.
Over 120 people had responded, which is great! Now I want to make this list 
PUBLIC with a Google map showing everyones location, email, and collecting 
preferences.
Since I don't have anyone's explicit permission to publish their information, I 
am now asking.
Please let me know if I may, or may not, place your information on the public 
webpage.
Thanks-
Steven Stengelhttp://oldcomputers.net/