Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Chris Elmquist]

On August 17, 2016 11:55:16 PM CDT, Pontus Pihlgren  wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:01:43PM -0500, Chris Elmquist wrote:
>> 
>> The SGI shared memory systems, the most current of which is called 
>> "UV", is a NUMALink interconnected design.  They have a number of 
>> ASICs that implement the interconnect and protocol and bridge to the 
>> Intel processors intra-processor link, which is called QPI.
>
>I see, and I guess that NUMAlink is a decendant of the interconnect
>used 
>in SGI Origin2k and 3k systems?

That's right.  It took them a while to transition from MIPS to x86 with this 
technology and so we did the MPP cluster stuff as an interim product around 
2007.

>> The SGI cluster products use Infiniband for interconnect.
>
>And to take advantage of that you would use MPI?

Yes. Which sits on top of OFED (nee OpenIB) managing the fabric.

Chris


-- 
Chris Elmquist

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Pontus Pihlgren]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:01:43PM -0500, Chris Elmquist wrote:
> 
> The SGI shared memory systems, the most current of which is called 
> "UV", is a NUMALink interconnected design.  They have a number of 
> ASICs that implement the interconnect and protocol and bridge to the 
> Intel processors intra-processor link, which is called QPI.

I see, and I guess that NUMAlink is a decendant of the interconnect used 
in SGI Origin2k and 3k systems?

> 
> The SGI cluster products use Infiniband for interconnect.

And to take advantage of that you would use MPI?

/P

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Chris Elmquist]

On August 17, 2016 10:49:46 PM CDT, Pontus Pihlgren  wrote:
>On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 02:04:10AM -0400, alexmcwhir...@triadic.us
>wrote:
>> On 2016-08-16 01:32, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>> >But seriously, I didn't know that any pieces of SGI were still
>around
>> >to acquire.
>> 
>> NUMALink, that's pretty much it in a nutshell
>
>I thought that tech was with CRAY (CRAYlink) these days. Or is it was
>is 
>used on Altix systems?

The SGI shared memory systems, the most current of which is called "UV", is a 
NUMALink interconnected design.  They have a number of ASICs that implement the 
interconnect and protocol and bridge to the Intel processors intra-processor 
link, which is called QPI.

The SGI cluster products use Infiniband for interconnect.

Chris

-- 
Chris Elmquist

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Pontus Pihlgren]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 02:04:10AM -0400, alexmcwhir...@triadic.us wrote:
> On 2016-08-16 01:32, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> >But seriously, I didn't know that any pieces of SGI were still around
> >to acquire.
> 
> NUMALink, that's pretty much it in a nutshell

I thought that tech was with CRAY (CRAYlink) these days. Or is it was is 
used on Altix systems?

/P

RE: HP to acquire SGI

[Curious Marc]

> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris

> That I did know.  I rode that horse down the mountain during the Rackable
> take over and I left in 2010.  Most everything relating to OS, BIOS, 
> networking
> and system management software  is done here in Eagan, MN and
> manufacturing is done in Chippewa Falls WI in two former Cray facilities.
> They still build two primary architecture types, a scale out cluster called 
> Altix
> ICE (which I worked on) and a scale up shared memory design called UV.  HP
> have been partnering with them on deals with this later product for some
> time, so there is strong belief that that is one piece that will be preserved.
> 
> --
> Chris Elmquist

And that last piece I thought was impressive one too.
Marc

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Chris Elmquist]

On August 16, 2016 12:32:32 AM CDT, "Mark J. Blair"  wrote:
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 19:54, Chris Elmquist  wrote:
>> On August 15, 2016 3:08:10 PM CDT, Mark Linimon
> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:49:29PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
 I still don't understand what his motivation is.
>>> 
>>> It could just be mental illness :-(
>>> 
>> 
>> I thought it was just autocorrect on Android.
>
>I thought his Markov chain needed oiling.
>
>But seriously, I didn't know that any pieces of SGI were still around
>to acquire.

That I did know.  I rode that horse down the mountain during the Rackable take 
over and I left in 2010.  Most everything relating to OS, BIOS, networking and 
system management software  is done here in Eagan, MN and manufacturing is done 
in Chippewa Falls WI in two former Cray facilities.  They still build two 
primary architecture types, a scale out cluster called Altix ICE (which I 
worked on) and a scale up shared memory design called UV.  HP have been 
partnering with them on deals with this later product for some time, so there 
is strong belief that that is one piece that will be preserved.

-- 
Chris Elmquist

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[alexmcwhirter]

On 2016-08-16 01:32, Mark J. Blair wrote:

But seriously, I didn't know that any pieces of SGI were still around
to acquire.


NUMALink, that's pretty much it in a nutshell

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Mark J. Blair]

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 19:54, Chris Elmquist  wrote:
> On August 15, 2016 3:08:10 PM CDT, Mark Linimon  wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:49:29PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
>>> I still don't understand what his motivation is.
>> 
>> It could just be mental illness :-(
>> 
> 
> I thought it was just autocorrect on Android.

I thought his Markov chain needed oiling.

But seriously, I didn't know that any pieces of SGI were still around to 
acquire.

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X 
http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Chris Elmquist]

On August 15, 2016 3:08:10 PM CDT, Mark Linimon  wrote:
>On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:49:29PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
>> I still don't understand what his motivation is.
>
>It could just be mental illness :-(
>

I thought it was just autocorrect on Android.



-- 
Chris Elmquist

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Peter Coghlan]

> > Indeed. Think 'PARRY meets Dissociated Press'.
>
> Thank you.
> That explained why the content looked ALMOST relevant.
>
> The word and phrase usage would seem likely to be able to fool a Salton 
> style vector space (cosine) relevance ranking system!
>
>
> I still don't understand what his motivation is.  If the nonsense were 
> accompanied by a URL, then it would be obvious.   But, I guess that just 
> being disruptive was all that he was after.
>

It's possible that there was a URL in the HTML part of the mail.  This
list apparantly strips off any HTML parts in emails posted so we would
not have seen it.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Mark Linimon]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:49:29PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
> I still don't understand what his motivation is.

It could just be mental illness :-(

mcl

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Fred Cisin]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote:

Indeed. Think 'PARRY meets Dissociated Press'.


Thank you.
That explained why the content looked ALMOST relevant.

The word and phrase usage would seem likely to be able to fool a Salton 
style vector space (cosine) relevance ranking system!



I still don't understand what his motivation is.  If the nonsense were 
accompanied by a URL, then it would be obvious.   But, I guess that just 
being disruptive was all that he was after.

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Fred Cisin

> Could you get that translated into English, please?

Indeed. Think 'PARRY meets Dissociated Press'.

Noel

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[geneb]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016, Steve Bez wrote:


You must be as crazy as listened too yers English tea cheers who Z HAS you
back in nineteenth century standing ON words where you big your LiVV,leper
key Id boss shrink biz kits,yeah?
IBM,the company 5150-Apple NY
No states.
The end
Monkey swing in tree,no nana aka pied pipe York key hill March back hare
rabbit rabbit punch tune eight shun key of C...mug.


*sigh*

Morons gonna moron.

g.

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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Mark Linimon]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 08:12:43AM -0500, Jay West wrote:
> Yes. Done.

thank you.

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Cameron Kaiser]

> I don't know about now, but SGI used to have a lot of Govt contracts
> and a lot of oil companies as customers. HP buying that also means
> they now have the ears of those customers when their solutions are old
> and they need to migrate to new equipment.
> 
> I predict a lot of late model Irix equipment coming into the used
> market place.

Maybe, maybe not. For some of those apps I don't see HPE's product offerings
being much, if any, better than what's currently on the market. If these
IRIX-hanger-oners didn't see anything compelling to make them junk their
current hardware investment before, I doubt HPESGIWTFOMGBBQWTF will make them
change their mind.

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RE: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Jay West]

Yes. Done.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:55 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

On 8/14/16 10:14 PM, Steve Bez wrote:
> My English commuter wrote that

Can someone remove this git off the list, please?

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Steve Bez]

Major thing is ,what thought was read anyway, is the cycles followed by
what is or was a long time ago that SGI and dev with HP were beneath a
layer of pascal that IBM and the clones 'documented' before www internet
existed as a whole, Reason constantly given for these acts that you read
about but do not know if occur of not,especially if you rad IBM company as
buisness word of what other platforms were not ever f follow,etc, where
encryption of info attaches these cycles until the likes of un paralleled
complaints are read too allow reveals of squeeze Le mom races that these
indoctrinate round and round when they are not heards listen or at matter
too read but act. The fortran use openMP where Oracle was very long before
any that,the mainframe relevant other that also produced acts of authors
written upon the program as dive bomber pig win kill the lots? Where the
chair was not fabricated as build system control as believed university
professors etc,from the machines language,basically using USB plug in SAN
endevours G NAS outside of node which can predominate Java as noticed or
not other web info where you don't know the way back? This British
invention , Google ,which was packed into the index engine you use. This
the Memex dream never materialized ,when many knew it was not cycle 2000
u.k and outside its u.s.a as call DOS means hardware coded use,you see why
Java determines encryption basis as font weights and measures immediate
bomb into yell of describe hardware,DES into
r.s.a,limits,chain,table,state? Where parallel processing describes things
into immediate acts of the sum unrealized as puppet master gangs of doing
in too? Hence u.s.a cell phone believed as this is u.k? Besides Q was James
bind(Hence the bible & currency read as financial tic tac toe)left ever
simple for anyone too have or get,providing they don't run round the pole
making orders if every own? This QT4 too QTDesigner Nokia run into
Microsoft of Apple is now NY o go away,dart in a pub?
  Parallel processes with MIT mention or involved is totally different
computing Turing? Where you don't read or use math as you concider three
Rs,why rote spells that out into semantics each originated,yet again,tells
of unknown homo phone that you build reading at this role person you slag
off,so it's easy that you don't get as clockwork orange Rozzetta of symbol
sign and read of words written is just bake robot blame of get unheard
slang too have hitler love affairs of yelling into every not you swear you
would not ever do or be where you give and you say too try spell that into
see until there's no sence but ruled nonsence you use too bomb chaos in
feee HERES owned spooks of another ghost ship off .Where FPU is not math?
Turing graphs? Cycles that have iteration ,that you must follow a cross
many layered networks until you hear or read the notion to gear into the
cross word puzzles of info that event too show laplacian methods in vey
many why then GPU at parallel processing is punch card joke of ciggerret
vapors,up in smoke? SGI. Gree geek phonetic teak tree deforestation S cats
in Eco,ooo please no,ok?...

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Mark Linimon  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 07:40:32AM -0400, Christian Liendo wrote:
> > I don't know about now, but SGI used to have a lot of Govt contracts
> > and a lot of oil companies as customers.
>
> IIRC Unisys eventually turned into a government contractor.
>
> The thing is, if you build an organization big enough to navigate the
> government biddding maze successfully, you have something of value,
> whether you still manufacture anything or not.
>
> Don't assume that I have a high opinion of this btw :-) , it's just
> a fact.
>
> mcl
>


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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Steve Bez]

Hey read ,it's not about persons,the me,hang boss spam off yer troll
e.read,or leave it alone.

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Al Kossow  wrote:

> On 8/14/16 10:14 PM, Steve Bez wrote:
>
>> My English commuter wrote that
>>
>
> Can someone remove this git off the list, please?
>
>
>

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Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Mark Linimon]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 07:40:32AM -0400, Christian Liendo wrote:
> I don't know about now, but SGI used to have a lot of Govt contracts
> and a lot of oil companies as customers.

IIRC Unisys eventually turned into a government contractor.

The thing is, if you build an organization big enough to navigate the
government biddding maze successfully, you have something of value,
whether you still manufacture anything or not.

Don't assume that I have a high opinion of this btw :-) , it's just
a fact.

mcl

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Christian Liendo]

I don't know about now, but SGI used to have a lot of Govt contracts
and a lot of oil companies as customers. HP buying that also means
they now have the ears of those customers when their solutions are old
and they need to migrate to new equipment.

I predict a lot of late model Irix equipment coming into the used market place.

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Al Kossow]

On 8/14/16 10:14 PM, Steve Bez wrote:

My English commuter wrote that


Can someone remove this git off the list, please?

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Steve Bez]

My English commuter wrote that,I know you won't believe me whatever you
do,but Latin 3 isn't a Television man?
Why ?cape Rozzetta,no GCHQ
Chess us.
Cards got trump ?
Ed


On Monday, August 15, 2016, Chuck Guzis  wrote:

> On 08/14/2016 06:19 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> > Could you get that translated into English, please?
>
> Sure, Fred:
>
> "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod
> tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim
> veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea
> commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate
> velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint
> occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt
> mollit anim id est laborum."
>
> i.e., it's just filler text to get through someone's SPAM filter.
>
> --Chuck
>
>

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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Steve Bez]

You must be as crazy as listened too yers English tea cheers who Z HAS you
back in nineteenth century standing ON words where you big your LiVV,leper
key Id boss shrink biz kits,yeah?
IBM,the company 5150-Apple NY
No states.
The end
Monkey swing in tree,no nana aka pied pipe York key hill March back hare
rabbit rabbit punch tune eight shun key of C...mug.

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Adrian Stoness  wrote:

> whats really a shame is our economic system requiring a growth rate of X
> percentage no mater how much money u make like a multi billion dallor
> companyyo sees 500mill growth from the yr befor  but its shy 2% of what was
> expected stock tanks yet it made 500million more in proffit thats whats
> wrong what caused the dec take over by compaq and then hp and now this.
> messed... and siemes and all these other companies doing this.. comcast
> caugh caugh...
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Fred Cisin  > wrote:
>
> > Could you get that translated into English, please?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Steve Bez wrote:
> >
> > Have ideas but inflames the issue as those who might know where or what
> >> continue misinterpreted slang as belief from persons when machine tries
> >> all
> >> un mannered ways too oppo ate ,have sat for few years when knowing
> certain
> >> machine yells like that causing this reaction up too the point of watch
> it
> >> like Telly is actually unknown as herds follow alng so had too give up
> >> after trying chat as goes berserk in convinced non yells are from of
> >> things
> >> you would say as nots with non intentions how then lay it a self or
> group
> >> paranoi bash out of oo,dear there's lots of nasty people etc...
> >> IBM?
> >>
> > k
> >
>


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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Chuck Guzis]

On 08/14/2016 06:19 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> Could you get that translated into English, please?

Sure, Fred:

"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod
tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim
veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea
commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate
velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint
occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt
mollit anim id est laborum."

i.e., it's just filler text to get through someone's SPAM filter.

--Chuck

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Adrian Stoness]

whats really a shame is our economic system requiring a growth rate of X
percentage no mater how much money u make like a multi billion dallor
company sees 500mill growth from the yr befor  but its shy 2% of what was
expected stock tanks yet it made 500million more in proffit thats whats
wrong what caused the dec take over by compaq and then hp and now this.
messed... and siemes and all these other companies doing this.. comcast
caugh caugh...

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Fred Cisin  wrote:

> Could you get that translated into English, please?
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Steve Bez wrote:
>
> Have ideas but inflames the issue as those who might know where or what
>> continue misinterpreted slang as belief from persons when machine tries
>> all
>> un mannered ways too oppo ate ,have sat for few years when knowing certain
>> machine yells like that causing this reaction up too the point of watch it
>> like Telly is actually unknown as herds follow alng so had too give up
>> after trying chat as goes berserk in convinced non yells are from of
>> things
>> you would say as nots with non intentions how then lay it a self or group
>> paranoi bash out of oo,dear there's lots of nasty people etc...
>> IBM?
>>
> k
>

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Fred Cisin]

Could you get that translated into English, please?


On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Steve Bez wrote:


Have ideas but inflames the issue as those who might know where or what
continue misinterpreted slang as belief from persons when machine tries all
un mannered ways too oppo ate ,have sat for few years when knowing certain
machine yells like that causing this reaction up too the point of watch it
like Telly is actually unknown as herds follow alng so had too give up
after trying chat as goes berserk in convinced non yells are from of things
you would say as nots with non intentions how then lay it a self or group
paranoi bash out of oo,dear there's lots of nasty people etc...
IBM?

k

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[ben]

On 8/14/2016 6:35 PM, geneb wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Steve Bez wrote:


Have ideas but inflames the issue as those who might know where or what
continue misinterpreted slang as belief from persons when machine
tries all
un mannered ways too oppo ate ,have sat for few years when knowing
certain
machine yells like that causing this reaction up too the point of
watch it
like Telly is actually unknown as herds follow alng so had too give up
after trying chat as goes berserk in convinced non yells are from of
things
you would say as nots with non intentions how then lay it a self or group
paranoi bash out of oo,dear there's lots of nasty people etc...
IBM?



So what dressing goes best with Word Salad?

g.


Banana!
The random monkeys typing on keyboards need feeding again.

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[geneb]

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016, Steve Bez wrote:


Have ideas but inflames the issue as those who might know where or what
continue misinterpreted slang as belief from persons when machine tries all
un mannered ways too oppo ate ,have sat for few years when knowing certain
machine yells like that causing this reaction up too the point of watch it
like Telly is actually unknown as herds follow alng so had too give up
after trying chat as goes berserk in convinced non yells are from of things
you would say as nots with non intentions how then lay it a self or group
paranoi bash out of oo,dear there's lots of nasty people etc...
IBM?



So what dressing goes best with Word Salad?

g.

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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Steve Bez]

Have ideas but inflames the issue as those who might know where or what
continue misinterpreted slang as belief from persons when machine tries all
un mannered ways too oppo ate ,have sat for few years when knowing certain
machine yells like that causing this reaction up too the point of watch it
like Telly is actually unknown as herds follow alng so had too give up
after trying chat as goes berserk in convinced non yells are from of things
you would say as nots with non intentions how then lay it a self or group
paranoi bash out of oo,dear there's lots of nasty people etc...
IBM?

On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Steven M Jones  wrote:

> On 08/14/2016 13:08, Ian S. King wrote:
> >
> > Grab all the SGI docs/bits you can, before HP sends them to /dev/null and
> > 404
>
> SGI "retired" their excellent TechPubs system not very long ago when
> they outsourced customer support, thereby removing all the docs and
> patches that still covered many of the MIPS-based products of the
> original company. There are a couple mirrors around in various states of
> functionality, the one I've been referring folks to is at
> http://techpubs.jurassic.nl, with thanks to Jan-Jaap.
>
> In HP(e)'s defense, they have so far kept an awful lot of DEC and Compaq
> material online. Perhaps that's by accident as much as intent, but I'm
> not complaining either way... For instance, I was just perusing (and
> saving) the DEC Tech Journal from 1991 - 1998, which is archived under
> the HP Journal (http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/journal.html) and
> alongside the Tandem Systems Review.
>
> --S.
>
>

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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Steven M Jones]

On 08/14/2016 13:08, Ian S. King wrote:
> 
> Grab all the SGI docs/bits you can, before HP sends them to /dev/null and
> 404

SGI "retired" their excellent TechPubs system not very long ago when
they outsourced customer support, thereby removing all the docs and
patches that still covered many of the MIPS-based products of the
original company. There are a couple mirrors around in various states of
functionality, the one I've been referring folks to is at
http://techpubs.jurassic.nl, with thanks to Jan-Jaap.

In HP(e)'s defense, they have so far kept an awful lot of DEC and Compaq
material online. Perhaps that's by accident as much as intent, but I'm
not complaining either way... For instance, I was just perusing (and
saving) the DEC Tech Journal from 1991 - 1998, which is archived under
the HP Journal (http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/journal.html) and
alongside the Tandem Systems Review.

--S.

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Ian S. King]

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 8:09 PM, ben  wrote:

> On 8/12/2016 9:15 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Mazzini Alessandro wrote:
>>
>>> It was not enough to have mishandled vms, and killed palm. Now they
>>> want to destroy also what's left of SGI ?
>>> Better I don't say what I'm really thinking...
>>>
>>
>> "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for men of good conscience to
>> remain silent."
>>
>>
>> Apollo, DEC, Compaq, Ericsson, Palm, . . .
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Hewlett-Packard
>>
>>
>> If HP and Microsoft merged, would it put an end to computers?
>>
>
> HP-BOX now runs all the games and windows* too. Ben.
> * Game of upgrading every 9 months.
>
>
Grab all the SGI docs/bits you can, before HP sends them to /dev/null and
404

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Narrative Through a Design Lens

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Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 

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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[ben]

On 8/12/2016 9:15 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Mazzini Alessandro wrote:

It was not enough to have mishandled vms, and killed palm. Now they
want to destroy also what's left of SGI ?
Better I don't say what I'm really thinking...


"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for men of good conscience to
remain silent."


Apollo, DEC, Compaq, Ericsson, Palm, . . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Hewlett-Packard


If HP and Microsoft merged, would it put an end to computers?


HP-BOX now runs all the games and windows* too. Ben.
* Game of upgrading every 9 months.

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Chris Elmquist]

On Friday (08/12/2016 at 09:33AM -0700), Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 08/12/2016 06:17 AM, Todd Killingsworth wrote:
> 
> > SGI was already destroyed decades ago.  With more vision, they could
> > have transitioned the business into becoming an Nvidia instead of a
> > faceless rack server company.
> 
> But that's really what SGI is/was today--the former Rackable Systems who
> inherited the name after purchasing the Chapter 11 remains of SGI back
> in 2009, except for some tidbits held by a mystery group called
> "Graphics Properties Holdings, Inc.", which is probably the name of some
> file in a lawyer's office in New Rochelle.  GPH is mostly known for
> using old SGI patents to go after the likes of Samsung, Google and Amazon.
> 
> In the 1990s, SGI always seemed to me to be more of a hedge fund
> operations, acquiring and then relinquishing MIPS and Cray, picking up
> Intergraph and Wavefront.  I suspect that releasing MIPS and Cray via
> IPOs was a way to raise capital.
> 
> Whatever, the original company and mindset is long gone.  No use crying
> over spilt milk.

There are some SGI people here in MN that figure, from a severance
standpoint, getting laid off from HP is probably better than getting
laid off from SGI.  So, you know, they have new found optimism.

-- 
Chris Elmquist

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Jules Richardson]

On 08/12/2016 11:33 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:

Whatever, the original company and mindset is long gone.  No use crying
over spilt milk.


Company, mindset, and the industry in which it operated, to be honest. I 
don't think I could get particularly excited about putting a SGI-branded 
graphics card in my PC, no matter how good it might be.


Jules

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[geneb]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, geneb wrote:


On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:



If HP and Microsoft merged, would it put an end to computers?


No, but it might create a Black Hole of Fail that would evour the planet.


*sigh*

s/evour/devour
:wq

g.
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Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[geneb]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:



If HP and Microsoft merged, would it put an end to computers?


No, but it might create a Black Hole of Fail that would evour the planet.

g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Chuck Guzis]

On 08/12/2016 06:17 AM, Todd Killingsworth wrote:

> SGI was already destroyed decades ago.  With more vision, they could
> have transitioned the business into becoming an Nvidia instead of a
> faceless rack server company.

But that's really what SGI is/was today--the former Rackable Systems who
inherited the name after purchasing the Chapter 11 remains of SGI back
in 2009, except for some tidbits held by a mystery group called
"Graphics Properties Holdings, Inc.", which is probably the name of some
file in a lawyer's office in New Rochelle.  GPH is mostly known for
using old SGI patents to go after the likes of Samsung, Google and Amazon.

In the 1990s, SGI always seemed to me to be more of a hedge fund
operations, acquiring and then relinquishing MIPS and Cray, picking up
Intergraph and Wavefront.  I suspect that releasing MIPS and Cray via
IPOs was a way to raise capital.

Whatever, the original company and mindset is long gone.  No use crying
over spilt milk.

--Chuck

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Paul Koning]

> On Aug 12, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Fred Cisin  wrote:
> 
> ...
> I remember when HP was innovative, and made great test equipment.

They still do, but that part hasn't been called HP for a long time.  I figured 
when HP split into a test equipment company and an ink company, the outcome was 
obvious.  I think the ink company is still doing reasonably well (for a 
commodity business); the rest is not so happy.

paul

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Fred Cisin]

If HP and Microsoft merged, would it put an end to computers?


On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Paul Koning wrote:

No, but it might put an end to the resulting company.


Would that stop it from pushing Windoze10 "upgrade"?

Note that HP didn't acquire DEC, or Palm; both had been absorbed by 
other companies well before HP swooped in to grab those.  For example, I 
don't think anything was left of Palm long before HP bought up the 
remnants of 3Com.


It's easier to buy up the wreckage afterwards.

If Adam Osborne had listened to my suggestion and bought the residue of 
Visicalc, then Lotus could not have laid a hand on him.

(the real reason why Novell bought Digital Research)


I remember when HP was innovative, and made great test equipment.
In those days, even Microsoft made good stuff.

Re: HP to acquire SGI

[Paul Koning]

> On Aug 12, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Fred Cisin  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Mazzini Alessandro wrote:
>> It was not enough to have mishandled vms, and killed palm. Now they want to 
>> destroy also what's left of SGI ?
>> Better I don't say what I'm really thinking...
> 
> "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for men of good conscience to remain 
> silent."
> 
> 
> Apollo, DEC, Compaq, Ericsson, Palm, . . . 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Hewlett-Packard
> 
> 
> If HP and Microsoft merged, would it put an end to computers?

No, but it might put an end to the resulting company.

Note that HP didn't acquire DEC, or Palm; both had been absorbed by other 
companies well before HP swooped in to grab those.  For example, I don't think 
anything was left of Palm long before HP bought up the remnants of 3Com.

paul

Re: R: HP to acquire SGI

[Fred Cisin]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Mazzini Alessandro wrote:
It was not enough to have mishandled vms, and killed palm. Now they want 
to destroy also what's left of SGI ?

Better I don't say what I'm really thinking...


"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for men of good conscience to 
remain silent."



Apollo, DEC, Compaq, Ericsson, Palm, . . . 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Hewlett-Packard



If HP and Microsoft merged, would it put an end to computers?

R: HP to acquire SGI

[Mazzini Alessandro]

It was not enough to have mishandled vms, and killed palm. Now they want to 
destroy also what's left of SGI ?
Better I don't say what I'm really thinking...


-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Christian Liendo
Inviato: venerdì 12 agosto 2016 14:49
A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: HP to acquire SGI

This is for all my SGI guys out there.


http://insidehpc.com/2016/08/hewlett-packard-enterprise-to-acquire-sgi-to-extend-leadership-in-high-growth-big-data-analytics-and-high-performance-computing/

HP to acquire SGI

[Christian Liendo]

This is for all my SGI guys out there.


http://insidehpc.com/2016/08/hewlett-packard-enterprise-to-acquire-sgi-to-extend-leadership-in-high-growth-big-data-analytics-and-high-performance-computing/