[cctalk] Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2023-10-06 Thread KenUnix via cctalk
Interesting note. Back in the 80's a company called Northern Telecom used 2900 ALU chips to run the SL-1 PBX. It was very popular in hospitals and large firms where down time was bad. It had redundant memory and processor cards for failover. And battery backup to stay up during a power failure.

[cctalk] Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2023-10-06 Thread Geert Rolf via cctalk
Quote: I could be remembering incorrectly but I think the Gould PN6080 mini we had exclusively for third year comp sci at Macquarie Uni in the mid/late 80s was 32-bit made up of AMD2900 family logic (2901 ALU's). Find attached two pages of the CPU drawings of a Concept 32/67 and  PowerNode

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-13 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 13, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:20 AM Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > ... >> On the subject of custom chips: DEC used gate arrays a lot. For example >> there is the Pro 380 in which much of the discrete chip logic from the Pro >> 350 has

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-13 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> Prime used 74181 chips for some of their CPUs. I have a 150 CPU > board (1980, though it was likely a relatively minor rehash of an > older board), for example. To extend this comment, I found 74S181 chips in the schematics for Prime's first machines, the P100/P200/P300, with dates of

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-13 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:20 AM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > There were also the AMD2901, 2903, 29203 family of bit-slice components, > > with the 2910 sequencer. > > The VAX 730 was built with 2901s. Yep. I pulled some 2901s from a VAX 11/730 CPU board in the early 90s to repair a

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-13 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 11, 2019, at 11:26 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > On 05/11/2019 06:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: >> I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: >> how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, >> how was the

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-12 Thread Patrick Finnegan via cctalk
On Sun, May 12, 2019, 11:35 Tony Aiuto via cctalk wrote: > > Perdue also had Gorge Goble. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._Goble > , > who was a character. > ghg still works at Purdue in the same department (Engineering Computer Network). Perdue on the other hand sells you chicken at

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 05/12/2019 10:34 AM, Tony Aiuto via cctalk wrote: Perdue also had Gorge Goble. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._Goble, who was a character. INDEED! I sold him a scrap refrigeration compressor which he used to prove that his proprietary mix of refrigerants would return the oil to

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-12 Thread Tony Aiuto via cctalk
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 10:17 PM Charles Dickman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 8:50 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > I could be remembering incorrectly but I think the Gould PN6080 mini we > > had exclusively for third

RE: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-12 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Steve Malikoff > via cctalk > Sent: 12 May 2019 01:50 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80? > > Warren said > > I'm buildin

RE: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-12 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of ben via cctalk > Sent: 12 May 2019 01:48 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80? > > On 5/11/2019 5:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: > > I'm building my o

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/11/19 9:52 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 5/11/2019 10:12 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > >> Personally, I preferred "the Naked Mini" > Used for porn world wide.:) >> --Chuck > Maybe--it was an 8 bit mini, so not very powerful. Mostly used in what we'd call "embedded" applications.

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 5/11/2019 10:12 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Personally, I preferred "the Naked Mini" Used for porn world wide.:) --Chuck

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 5/11/2019 9:28 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: On 05/11/2019 09:30 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 5/11/2019 6:28 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: Not all were 74181 based, Thats an early 1972 part and but 1975 it was already getting old though useful as it evolved to 74S and 74F series. The

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/11/19 8:52 PM, Nigel Williams via cctalk wrote: > Marketing at the time even had a catchy name for the 32-bit minicomputer: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superminicomputer > Personally, I preferred "the Naked Mini" https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/minicomputers/11/359

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Nigel Williams via cctalk
Marketing at the time even had a catchy name for the 32-bit minicomputer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superminicomputer

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread allison via cctalk
On 05/11/2019 09:30 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 5/11/2019 6:28 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: > >> Not all were 74181 based, Thats an early 1972 part and but 1975 it was >> already getting old though useful as it evolved to 74S and 74F series. >> The 82s100 and 105 series were out there and

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 05/11/2019 06:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from reading A Soul of

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Charles Dickman via cctalk
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 8:50 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I could be remembering incorrectly but I think the Gould PN6080 mini we > had exclusively for third year > comp sci at Macquarie Uni in the mid/late 80s was 32-bit made up of > AMD2900 family logic (2901

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/11/19 4:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: > I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: > how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, > how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from > reading A Soul

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 5/11/2019 6:28 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: Not all were 74181 based, Thats an early 1972 part and but 1975 it was already getting old though useful as it evolved to 74S and 74F series. The 82s100 and 105 series were out there and even by 1980 the AMD 2900C series was getting long in the

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Warren said > I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: > how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, > how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from > reading A Soul of a New Machine) that PALs were also

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 5/11/2019 5:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from reading A Soul of a

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to > think: how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In > particular, how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, > and I know (from reading A Soul of a New Machine) that PALs were also > used.

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread allison via cctalk
On 05/11/2019 07:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: > I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: > how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, > how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from > reading A

How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Warren Toomey via cctalk
I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from reading A Soul of a New Machine) that PALs were also used. Did companies