Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-15 Thread geneb 

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Rich Alderson wrote:


If you want to change a subject please start a new thread, and if you
wish you can give the new thread a subject line such as "New Subject (was
Old Subject)" to reflect its origin.


Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to


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Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-15 Thread Liam Proven 
On 15 September 2016 at 01:28, Rich Alderson
 wrote:
> Any decent newsreader or threading mail
> reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken.


Would that this were true.

Of course, many would say that Gmail is not a decent MUA; however,
it's the best for my needs these days. Every subject edit creates a
new thread in it, and it's very confusing.

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Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-14 Thread Eric Smith 
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg  wrote:
> Not the standard, but a convention.
>
> The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to
> RFC822).

I think you may mean RFC 5322 section 3.6.5, which does give a "MAY"
suggestion for the use of "Re: " at the start of the contents of the
subject field, but I'm unable to find any mention of the square
bracket or "was" convention for subject line changes within a thread
anywhere in RFC 5322, RFC 822, or even RFC 733.  Aside from the "Re: "
convention, all three RFCs describe the Subject field as unstructured
text, subject to the line folding rules (defined in RFC 5322 section
2.2.3 "Long Header Fields").

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg 

Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to
change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the
characters "was: " prepended.


Not the standard, but a convention.

The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to 
RFC822).  This isn't anything new.  In the Usenet world, nn and trn made 
agressive use of these headers to thread discussion chains.  Any good MUA 
will use them as well.  Note that in the email world, 'popular' and 'good' 
are mostly disjoint sets :-(


--lyndon

changing Subject header in thread [was Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]]

2016-09-14 Thread Eric Smith 
Rich Alderson wrote:
> Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to
> change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the
> characters "was: " prepended.  Any decent newsreader or threading mail
> reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken.  What was
> broken in the messages about which you complain is the substitution of
> parentheses () for brackets [].

I had no idea that there was a standard. Is it in an RFC or something?

I've commonly seen either parenthesis or square brackets used, and
I've normally used parenthesis myself, but if there's a documented
standard, I'll consider switching.

Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

2016-09-14 Thread Rich Alderson 
From: Dale H. Cook
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:52 AM

> Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line of
> this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with MacOS
> 7.5 still in production use..." When you change a subject line the header
> information concerning the subject is unchanged, and that is what the
> list archives and some email clients go by. There are now three threads
> concerning different subjects archived as one thread at classiccmp.org.
> If you want to change a subject please start a new thread, and if you
> wish you can give the new thread a subject line such as "New Subject (was
> Old Subject)" to reflect its origin.

Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to
change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the
characters "was: " prepended.  Any decent newsreader or threading mail
reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken.  What was
broken in the messages about which you complain is the substitution of
parentheses () for brackets [].

See the subject line on this message for an example.

Rich

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